Mel Gibson Take Two

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Fortunately (or unfortunately), the past Mel Gibson threads were lost in the hack attach. Unfortunately, I feel the need to start a new one to get a few things off my chest. So here goes…

This week, Good Morning American has been airing Diana Sawyer’s interview with Mel Gibson since he emerged from rehab. I’ve only seen clips of it, but it makes me want to cry for the guy. How much more sorry can one person be for doing something very stupid?

Diane brings up the theory that in his drunken state, all inhabitions were down and his rant about the Jews came from the heart. He disagress saying that people have a tendancy to say things they don’t mean when they are angry, drunk, etc.

I’m really kind of angry that the media can’t get past this incident. I realize the Jews have lived through very, very bad times, but aren’t his off the cuff, drunken comments being blown just a tad bit out of proportion? Would this be happening if he were Baptist and said what he said about the Catholics? I don’t think so. Honestly, driving drunk was much worse than anything he could have said about anybody.
 
I dunno…I’ve known a bunch of drunks, unfortunately, in my time, and they all speak from the heart when loaded…so to me, I think we’ve just seen the dark side of an otherwise good man. Why does everyone find it so hard to believe he might actually be antisemetic? He’s human just like the rest of us; subject to failing and fault, just like the rest of us. I love Mel Gibson, I have always loved his movies, and have always been very impressed with him as a person. The fact that he said these things is disappointing to me, b/c it shatters the view I had of him – but it’s still him; drunk or not, it’s still him. It’s a shame, but it’s not like the media is honing in on his arrest and addiction – they’d probably have let go of that one a long time ago – they’re honing in on this guy who made a movie about the crucifixion of Christ…and then screamed anti-semetic insults at police officers who pulled him over…
 
I also think the fact that his father is a known holocaust denier probably has added fuel to the fire. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree is probably the thinking there.

Mel Gibson is such a funny, handsome, charming guy. I always liked him and was impressed with the fact that he was still married to the same woman after all these years.

This episode truly disgusts me and although the drunken driving was bad, to me the anti-Semitic comments are even worse. People that blame all of the world’s wars on Jews are more dangerous than drunken drivers. That kind of hate is what started the holocaust.

I just feel sad that somebody I have enjoyed as an actor and a personality harbors such evil thoughts.
 
We all have dark sides that come out when angry, drunk, etc. Its life. Mel apologized and people need to get over it. If they cannot, it says more about them as so called tolerance mavens who love humanity but yet refuse to forgive him for making Passion of the Christ - gee, did I say thats their ulterior motive and reason for hating him? 😉
 
bapcathluth said:
I also think the fact that his father is a known holocaust denier probably has added fuel to the fire. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree is probably the thinking there.
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Ahhhhh. I didn’t know that about his father. Many years ago I heard something to the effect that his father was very religious, but I didn’t realize he’s a bit wacky. That could easily explain the reaction. Although, I didn’t hear any mention of his father or any previous anti-Jewish feelings on Mel’s part at the time of the incident.

I honestly think the negative reaction is related to graphic portral of Christ’s crucifixion in Passion of the Christ.
 
Alcohol doesn’t release truth. It screws up your neural connections so you say and do things that you ordinarily wouldn’t.

Confession and the sacraments release truth. Because Truth isn’t a thing. He is a Person.
 
It’s not that alcohol releases truth. What alcohol releases are the inhibitions that normally keep a person from saying what he really thinks. I somewhat believe that this is what happened here–we caught a glimpse of the real Mel Gibson.

DaveBj
 
DaveBj said:
It’s not that alcohol releases truth. What alcohol releases are the inhibitions that normally keep a person from saying what he really thinks. I somewhat believe that this is what happened here–we caught a glimpse of the real Mel Gibson.

DaveBj
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Really? When I was a drunk, I told my husband I wished he would die. Did I mean that? Or was it a complete perversion and gross exaggeration of a hurt or anger inside me? I know there are recovering folks in this world who know the truth about how alcohol distorts true feelings. Why are they all silent or worse, supporting the notion that this was the “real” Mel? In his interview, he spoke as honestly as any human possibly could about the resentment he still feels at the way he was brutalized over the “Passion”. So he was hurt, and was drunk and said alot of terrible things that were completey exaggerated. Where are all the former drunks, huh? Let’s be honest!
 
DaveBj said:
It’s not that alcohol releases truth. What alcohol releases are the inhibitions that normally keep a person from saying what he really thinks.DaveBj
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UH…no. I recall in my younger days saying utterly stupid things that I didn’t mean at all when I had to much to drink. And as a wife of a recovered alcoholic I have enough experience to know what a drunk says most of the time isn’t what he really thinks because he isn’t thinking at all.

He was raised by a father who definately has issues with Jews. I think in Mel’s case the voice of his father was probably rolling around in his head that night.
 
rayne89 said:
UH…no. I recall in my younger days saying utterly stupid things that I didn’t mean at all when I had to much to drink. And as a wife of a recovered alcoholic I have enough experience to know what a drunk says most of the time isn’t what he really thinks because he isn’t thinking at all.

He was raised by a father who definately has issues with Jews. I think in Mel’s case the voice of his father was probably rolling around in his head that night.
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:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: You’ve called it, IMO. Drunks don’t say what they think; they say anything that pops out, & half the time don’t even remember half of it.
And since he had heard this kind of thing from his father, it was there & out it came.
I think that anyone who has ever spent too much time on a barstool in their salad days, knows how easy it is for random neurons firing in the brain to cause almost anything…Most of our embarrassing moments aren’t caught on tape–for which I am truly grateful!
 
Well, he was drinking tequila, which seems to have a worse effect than any other alcohol, speaking from personal experience. It completely knocks any sense out of people if they’ve had too much of it, believe me. I haven’t touched tequila since an experience back in 1992, where everybody who drank it acted completely out of character. I wonder if the devil didn’t tempt Mel and bring him down in this case.:eek:
 
I saw that yesterday morning and felt that Sawyer is a poor excuse for a reporter. She, (again), attempted to draw Mel into an attack on his own father, which I think is in very poor taste and lousy journalism…unless of course like Sawyer, you can’t do real news and make your living off of scandal and gossip.

Moreover…and I don’t care what others think…drunks say all kinds of things and anyone who believes that it comes from the heart instead of the bottom of their last drink glass is nuts.

He does have a valid point when he explains that possibly he bears some resentment against those Jews who harshly criticised “The Passion of the Christ” as being anti-Semitic even before they had seen it and fear mongering. I can understand that…it will not excuse a drunken rant, but his sincere apology is a move in the right direction.

Most importantly I could hear the voice of my sainted grandmother reminding me to say,
“There,
but for the grace of God,
go I.”
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum,
 
DaveBj said:
It’s not that alcohol releases truth. What alcohol releases are the inhibitions that normally keep a person from saying what he really thinks. I somewhat believe that this is what happened here–we caught a glimpse of the real Mel Gibson.

DaveBj
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One of the wisest things anyone ever said to me was, “It doesn’t count when they’re drunk.” What doesn’t count? Whatever they say. This has really helped me in dealing with alcoholics in my life.
 
Church_Militant said:
I saw that yesterday morning and felt that Sawyer is a poor excuse for a reporter. She, (again), attempted to draw Mel into an attack on his own father, which I think is in very poor taste and lousy journalism,
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I think it is perfectly valid to ask about his father since he is a known holocaust denier. I don’t see how disagreeing with his father’s anti-Semitism is an attack on him. My father has polar opposite political view from me. We both would disagree publically about those views and even criticize the views, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect or love my dad and vice versa. If my Dad were a holocaust denier you had better bet that I would publically disagree with him.

If somebody who is Catholic has a mother who is pro-abortion, I would imagine most would publically disagree.
 
Whatever else may be wrong with Mel Gobson, Ithe drunken episode proves nothing about any alleged anti-Semitism. Drunks can say the most ridiculous things. When they feel provoked, they may say offensive and hateful things, not because they believe such garbage, but simply to offend the target. I have heard of drunks in bars, who are very tolerant, but will use all kinds of racial and ethnic slurs when drunk, for the aforementioned reason. It is entirely possible that Gibson noted the policeman’s Jewish name, and made his comments simply because they are offensive and anti–social, as drunks often do. Had the policeman been Irish, Gibson might just as easily have invoked drunken Irish stereotypes.
 
DaveBj said:
It’s not that alcohol releases truth. What alcohol releases are the inhibitions that normally keep a person from saying what he really thinks. I somewhat believe that this is what happened here–we caught a glimpse of the real Mel Gibson.

DaveBj
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I disagree. I could be sober or drunk and I’ve been in a bad mood where I made racially derogatory comments aloud but yet to myself (mutterings) 15 minutes later, I am the same person who is holding open the door for a someone of that race I made a comment about - or offering to help with their groceries - or givig out money to one of them at a red light who is begging…

So, what defines the “real” me? What I say or what I do? Actions are the real us - words though hurtful arent
 
Aren’t both Christians and Jews tought forgiveness? I think that if you do not forgive Mel, you fail your duty as a Jew/Christian. I personally forgive Mel for what he said. I don’t know if he meant it and nobody can ever really know, but we all make mistakes and say things that we regret.

God Bless
 
See, if it were almost anyone else in Hollywood, most of this forum would not beleive their apologies for a second. I, myself, wonder why Mel Gibson is nigh-untouchable. At the same time, I don’t really care about his drunken ramblings.

I think ultimately my thoughts boil down to “I liked him better as an actor than a mouthpiece anyway”.
 
rayne89 said:
UH…no. I recall in my younger days saying utterly stupid things that I didn’t mean at all when I had to much to drink. And as a wife of a recovered alcoholic I have enough experience to know what a drunk says most of the time isn’t what he really thinks because he isn’t thinking at all.

He was raised by a father who definately has issues with Jews. I think in Mel’s case the voice of his father was probably rolling around in his head that night.
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This exactly what I think. :eek:
 
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