Melkites, Maronites, and Reunion

[Peter_J]

Exactly.
PS I don’t the moderators to have to move this topic…

Actually, quite a few threads on the Eastern Catholicism forum are actually about Eastern Orthodoxy rather than Eastern Catholicism. I admit it’s not an ideal situation, but there’s no reason this thread should be singled out as problematic.

 

[Art321]

I don’t speak for John of Patmos; but I would say it *greatly *depends on which Anglicans you consider. I think Continuing Anglicans (especially the TAC, but the others as well) are a little bit closer to swimming the Tiber than the Orthodox are. But on the other hand, the more liberal Anglican groups are gradually (or even not-so-gradually) moving *away *from Catholicism.

Actually I was just talking about Anglicans in general but now that I think about it I suppose you are right.

 

[Peter_J]

Actually I was just talking about Anglicans in general but now that I think about it I suppose you are right.

Funny thing is, I’ve come to realize how “out there” the liberal Anglicans are by reading criticisms of them from other Anglicans (Fr. Hart for example).

 

[Ghosty]

The West Syrian Rite, also known as the Syrian Rite or the Syro-Antiochene Rite, is a Christian liturgical rite chiefly practiced in the Syriac Orthodox Church and churches related to or descended from it. It is part of the liturgical family known as the Antiochene Rite, which originated in the ancient Patriarchate of Antioch. The rite was largely an adaptation of the old Greek liturgy of Antioch into Syriac, the language more common in the Syrian countryside.

The oldest known form of the Antiochene Rite is in Greek which is apparently its original language. The many Greek terms that remain in the Syriac form show that this is derived from Greek. The version must have been made very early, evidently before the schism occasioned by the Council of Chalcedon, before the influence of Constantinople had begun. No doubt as soon as Christian communities arose in the rural areas of Roman Syria, the prayers which in the cities (Antioch, Jerusalem, etc.) were said in Greek, were, as a matter** of course, translated into** the peasants’ language (Syriac) for their use.

The earliest extant Syriac documents come from about the end of the 5th century.They contain valuable information about local forms of the Rite of Antioch-Jerusalem. The Syriac Orthodox Church kept a version of this rite which is obviously a local variant. Its scheme and most of its prayers correspond to those of the Greek St. James.

I don’t see how any of this contradicts what I said.

My point was that the tradition of Constantinople was put upon the Antiochians; it’s irrelevant that the tradition of Constantinople was an adaptation of the Antiochian tradition.

Peace and God bless!

 

[John_of_Patmos]

What? Did I say something wrong that would have you think this thread should be moved?

No, no, it is not you!
I have been on the EC forum before and we began talking about Anglican joining the RCC…
the moderators moved it…

 

[Credo_ergo_sum]

P.S. Also, let’s not forget that a good number of Anglo-Catholics decide to swim the Bosphorus instead of the Tiber.

Swimming the Bosphorus
Never heard that one before.

 

[JontheMaronite]

Just to step in and make something clear, the Maronites are not the equivalent of the orthodox churches, and other divisions. The Maronite Catholic Rite is just that, a rite, not a seperate Church. We have one patriarch who reports to the Pope, and we would not disappear as our community is well-established and prevelant in Lebanon, as well as smaller communitites in various other countries (like the U.S.), we preserve traditions reaching back to our founder St Maron and the early Christians, and have always been faithful to the Pope and Magesterium.

I do not think that these other Orthodox Churchs’ Rites or ways of worship and liturgies based on long-standing traditions would disappear or merge. They might draw from elements from the others in their worship and practices, but the Rites themselves would probably remain as long as they are faithful to the Church and Her doctrine and the patriarchs act as bishops in submitting to the Holy See.

 

[malphono]

Just to step in and make something clear, the Maronites are not the equivalent of the orthodox churches, and other divisions. The Maronite Catholic Rite is just that, a rite, not a seperate Church. We have one patriarch who reports to the Pope, and we would not disappear as our community is well-established and prevelant in Lebanon, as well as smaller communitites in various other countries (like the U.S.), we preserve traditions reaching back to our founder St Maron and the early Christians, and have always been faithful to the Pope and Magesterium.

While it is, of course, true, that we have no Orthodox counterpart, it is also true that we are indeed a Church. Even Rome acknowledges that fact.

 

[Peter_J]

Just to step in and make something clear, the Maronites are not the equivalent of the orthodox churches, and other divisions. The Maronite Catholic Rite is just that, a rite, not a seperate Church.

Yes, the Maronite Rite is a rite, not a Church. And, on the other hand, the Maronite Catholic Church (the church which uses the Maronite Rite) is a Church, not a Rite.

(For anyone not already familiar with what we’re talking about, see also Eastern & Oriental Catholic Churches & Rites.)

 

[Schism_hater]

The Melkite Church, if I am correct is the equivalent to the GO Churches of Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. If the EO and Oriental Orthodox all were to rejoin the Catholic Church, what would happen to the Melkites, or the GO Churches of Antioch,and Alexandria (presuming that the Copts and Syrians are in control in their respectives sees in the reunited church)? What about the Maronites, would they disappear? In other words, would Antioch have one patriarch, or, one for the Maronites, one for the melkites, one for the GO, and one for the Syriac Catholics/Orthodox?

That is a problem I would love for the Church to have.