Men can't talk about abortion etc

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Ok, this one REALLY bugs me. I hear some pro-choicers/abortionists say something like “When a child is conceived, the father gives up all his rights until the child is born”, or “The father has no place in abortion, have a problem with it? Go the supreme court” etc. Or “Men cannot speak their opinions about abortions because they will never be pregnant” etc. The one that upset/irritated me the most is “Abortion is not a moral issue. [enter anti-catholic rant here which i will NOT repeat], it’s about the choice a woman makes, if you disagree, you’re a bigot”.

I try to stay out of abortion topics on fb as much as possible because I think it will be an occasion of sin for me to become very upset with some people.

What is your take on this?
 
It’s a fiction and makes no sense. If a woman chooses a man and has sex and then winds up pregnant - what? She got pregnant by herself? Seriously, it’s a nonsense argument.
  1. The man shares responsibility for the pregnancy. It’s his baby that is about to be aborted and hers.
  2. Name calling is not rational.
  3. Women and men who are not married should not be having sex - at all, regardless of the pill, morning after pill, Plan B, etc.
  4. Unless those who call men names can prove the man had absolutely nothing to do with the pregnancy, then they are asking us to accept a fiction.
  5. Elective abortion is not health care. Disposing of your child after conception is wrong.
Just calmly tell them the truth and ignore the rants. Yes, sometimes it’s hard not to be affected by the angry, emotional voices, but if they don’t want to listen, that’s their choice.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
It’s a fiction and makes no sense. If a woman chooses a man and has sex and then winds up pregnant - what? She got pregnant by herself? Seriously, it’s a nonsense argument.
  1. The man shares responsibility for the pregnancy. It’s his baby that is about to be aborted and hers.
  2. Name calling is not rational.
  3. Women and men who are not married should not be having sex - at all, regardless of the pill, morning after pill, Plan B, etc.
  4. Unless those who call men names can prove the man had absolutely nothing to do with the pregnancy, then they are asking us to accept a fiction.
  5. Elective abortion is not health care. Disposing of your child after conception is wrong.
Peace,
Ed
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Thank you for your response. I completely agree with you.

God Bless +
 
RileyG said:
Ok, this one REALLY bugs me. I hear some pro-choicers/abortionists say something like “When a child is conceived, the father gives up all his rights until the child is born”, or “The father has no place in abortion, have a problem with it? Go the supreme court” etc. Or “Men cannot speak their opinions about abortions because they will never be pregnant” etc. The one that upset/irritated me the most is “Abortion is not a moral issue. [enter anti-catholic rant here which i will NOT repeat], it’s about the choice a woman makes, if you disagree, you’re a bigot”.

I try to stay out of abortion topics on fb as much as possible because I think it will be an occasion of sin for me to become very upset with some people.

What is your take on this?
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Do you think to get angry at that is a sin?
Remember Jesus at the Temple with the people who were selling ware. He was not sweet and you will never get that angry !!!
If men have nothing to do with abortion, they have nothing to do with the support of their children.
 
andremiguel said:
Do you think to get angry at that is a sin?
Remember Jesus at the Temple with the people who were selling ware. He was not sweet and you will never get that angry !!!
If men have nothing to do with abortion, they have nothing to do with the support of their children.
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Well, abortion does upset me very, very much (Lord, have mercy), and I don’t want to get angry with others because of their different views, then people start really ticking me off with their endless anti-catholic ranting and how their’s a war on women and on and on. I just try to stay away from these threads.

Someone asked what would happen if your unborn child was suspected of having down syndrome, a male replied “I would abort it”. :banghead: ugh.
Lord, have mercy on us all. 😦
 
I think it’s in line with the “logic” that a child has to be wanted. If mom does not want the child she can do what she pleases. If mom does want the child, the dad must take responsibility.

Sadly, Dad wanting the child makes no difference. 😦
 
KCT said:
I think it’s in line with the “logic” that a child has to be wanted. If mom does not want the child she can do what she pleases. If mom does want the child, the dad must take responsibility.

Sadly, Dad wanting the child makes no difference. 😦
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Very true. 😦
 
RileyG said:
Ok, this one REALLY bugs me. I hear some pro-choicers/abortionists say something like “When a child is conceived, the father gives up all his rights until the child is born”, or “The father has no place in abortion, have a problem with it? Go the supreme court” etc. Or “Men cannot speak their opinions about abortions because they will never be pregnant” etc. The one that upset/irritated me the most is “Abortion is not a moral issue. [enter anti-catholic rant here which i will NOT repeat], it’s about the choice a woman makes, if you disagree, you’re a bigot”.

I try to stay out of abortion topics on fb as much as possible because I think it will be an occasion of sin for me to become very upset with some people.

What is your take on this?
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Men have every right to talk about abortion because it’s a human issue, not just a feminine one.

It’s sad, because the abortion movement has pretty much labeled fathers as nothing more than sperm donors.

Are we only able to be involved in something only if we are capable of participating in it??? I will never be a dog, but I can have an opinion on animal cruelty. I’ve never been on death row, but I can have an opinion about capital punishment. I will never be a politician, but I can have an opinion on what makes a good politician or not. I will never be a man, but I can have an opinion on things like circumcision, or the draft.

Abortion is a moral issue… and it’s a human and societal issue. It’s simple Biology that human life begins at conception. Anyone who says otherwise is either highly misinformed or lying to themselves and others. We’ve known this biology for years.

Let’s, for the sake of argument, pretend we are atheists. We know that a human life is created at conception. The question now arises, is that unborn infant no more than an animal - to be killed at will? If so, then the view is that all humans are no more than animals that can be destroyed if their reasoning is “good enough.” We euthanize animals that are in the pound for a length of time, or that are sick. Abortion is no different, because we are making an excuse for the killing of another human.
“It’s a parasite because it’s growing inside the mother” - this is NOT true, but that’s another argument
“It’s the woman’s body, so it’s her choice.” - again, not true. It’s her AND her child’s body.

What Roe v. Wade did, was give women a legal ability to commit the ultimate child abuse. What mother wouldn’t defend her child if the father was beating it? Abortion is where the mother can abuse to the point of killing the child, and the father can only sit by helplessly, not being able to defend his own child. What a horrific thing - for a parent to have to stand by and watch their child die… and it’s completely preventable!

Roe v. Wade was entirely unconstitutional and has been disputed as such for decades now… and proved that the decision was highly erroneous. But, even Supreme Court judges have an agenda…
 
There is a simple response to that that shows how silly and absurd that is:

The next time someone says that, ask them if they have an opinion about something like murder (Or, if you would prefer, grand theft auto, or something similar). If they answer in the affirmative, ask them if they have ever committed a murder (or grand theft auto, etc.). If they respond negatively, ask them why they have an opinion, since according to the “Only women can have opinions about abortion” logic, only murderers (or thieves) can have opinions about murder (or theft).

It’s silly because it presumes that only a person that can or has experiences something morally questionable can judge it as being right or wrong, i.e. “Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it”. This is utterly absurd.
 
RileyG said:
Well, abortion does upset me very, very much (Lord, have mercy), and I don’t want to get angry with others because of their different views, then people start really ticking me off with their endless anti-catholic ranting and how their’s a war on women and on and on. I just try to stay away from these threads.

Someone asked what would happen if your unborn child was suspected of having down syndrome, a male replied “I would abort it”. :banghead: ugh.
Lord, have mercy on us all. 😦
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I was only conveying that being angry is not a sin for we are taught as Catholics to be nice to each other and to love our enemies.

Now, what you do is with your conscience and it is the best.
 
RileyG said:
Ok, this one REALLY bugs me. I hear some pro-choicers/abortionists say something like “When a child is conceived, the father gives up all his rights until the child is born”, or “The father has no place in abortion, have a problem with it? Go the supreme court” etc. Or “Men cannot speak their opinions about abortions because they will never be pregnant” etc. The one that upset/irritated me the most is “Abortion is not a moral issue. [enter anti-catholic rant here which i will NOT repeat], it’s about the choice a woman makes, if you disagree, you’re a bigot”.

I try to stay out of abortion topics on fb as much as possible because I think it will be an occasion of sin for me to become very upset with some people.

What is your take on this?
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So there are two situations here: 1. the really bad argument about men having no say in the question of abortion, altho it is their children too who are being aborted. Do we say that the only contribution a man has to make is half of the price of an abortion? No, if the mother chooses not to have an abortion, the father has to supply chld support. So man *are *involved. They are being illogical.

The second issue is that of your getting angry. I have no problem with people getting angry, but I think the problem is that you are frustrated because the people involved refuse to listen or be logical. No good comes out of discussing an issue with someone who refuses to listen, so staying away from those types of discussions is, imho, a wise move. Sometimes realizing that the other person is refusing to participate (covering one’s ears and saying la-la-la, literally or figuratively, is not participating!) and bowing out of the conversation is the best move. Why allow another person to torture you *with no chance of good coming out of it? *
 
Catholic80 said:
Abortion is a moral issue
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This says all that needs saying. Since it is a question of morality, the gender of the person making the argument is irrelevant. If this were something we got to vote on you could at least have a rational debate about whether men should be allowed to vote but to suggest that men have no right to discuss a particular moral issue is silly.

Ender
 
These people are not our enemies, they are potential converts. The light of truth will continue to shine even if some are totally committed to spreading falsehoods. We were lied to:

catholicnewsagency.com/resources/abortion/articles-and-addresses/an-ex-abortionist-speaks/

We were also lied to about contraception. Why? The manufacturers had to move product and, once again, they couldn’t have the Catholic Church getting in their way. So how do you motivate potential buyers? In this case, you offer them freedom from fear.

From April 7, 1967 issue of Time Magazine. Read the top line: "Contraception: Freedom from Fear. Fear of what? Babies.

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,843551,00.html

Of course we did not know at the time that the Supreme Court, not the people, would allow innocents to be killed in 1973.

Peace,
Ed
 
andremiguel said:
I was only conveying that being angry is not a sin for we are taught as Catholics to be nice to each other and to love our enemies.

Now, what you do is with your conscience and it is the best.
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Sometimes, being not being very nice by being angry is a way of showing that we love that person. I’m not talking about hitting :slapfight:someone or calling them nasty names, but making it known that being Catholic there are somethings are right or wrong (not sin/sin). When you do say something, try to be as nice as passable. :whistle:

:banghead:👋:takethat:
 
RileyG said:
Ok, this one REALLY bugs me. I hear some pro-choicers/abortionists say something like “When a child is conceived, the father gives up all his rights until the child is born”, or “The father has no place in abortion, have a problem with it? Go the supreme court” etc. Or “Men cannot speak their opinions about abortions because they will never be pregnant” etc. The one that upset/irritated me the most is “Abortion is not a moral issue. [enter anti-catholic rant here which i will NOT repeat], it’s about the choice a woman makes, if you disagree, you’re a bigot”.

I try to stay out of abortion topics on fb as much as possible because I think it will be an occasion of sin for me to become very upset with some people.

What is your take on this?
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My take on this is that a man should be able to express his opinions and beliefs just like any woman. But every man’s rights end where a woman’s rights begin: that is, no one (even a man) should have the right to trump a woman’s medical decisions, especially when her health is being affected, and regardless of whether she’s pregnant or not. People can deny it as much as they like, but the fact is, abortion is a woman’s medical issue, and as long as it’s legal, she alone has the right to make those decisions.
 
Rence said:
My take on this is that a man should be able to express his opinions and beliefs just like any woman. But every man’s rights end where a woman’s rights begin: that is, no one (even a man) should have the right to trump a woman’s medical decisions, especially when her health is being affected, and regardless of whether she’s pregnant or not. People can deny it as much as they like, but the fact is, abortion is a woman’s medical issue, and as long as it’s legal, she alone has the right to make those decisions.
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You started with the right statements but I disagree with the rest. Abortion is not a woman’s medical issue and it is a falsity to say that both from a moral and a scientific point of view. The fact that it is legal and thus she alone has the right to make that decision is another very weak point from an intellectual aspect as long as father is being held accountable for the support of the child once a baby is born. The point is that evil and stupidity reign supreme when it comes to abortion. Just to make sure that things are clear, I am not accusing you of stupidity, I am simply saying that stupidity is accepted socially to make justifications for abortion and abortion “rights”.
 
If a man cannot talk about abortion, this is sexism, promulgated by the pro-abort.

I don’t call them pro-choicers because they don’t believe in choice. The man has no choice. The baby has no choice. So I don’t accept that term. The truth is they are pro-abortion.

It takes two to tango. And it takes two to make the decision on the music to dance to. Not one.
 
Regarding the OP;

To tell me that my opinion doesn’t matter based on my gender is sexist.
 
RileyG said:
Well, abortion does upset me very, very much (Lord, have mercy), and I don’t want to get angry with others because of their different views, then people start really ticking me off with their endless anti-catholic ranting and how their’s a war on women and on and on. I just try to stay away from these threads.

Someone asked what would happen if your unborn child was suspected of having down syndrome, a male replied “I would abort it”. :banghead: ugh.
Lord, have mercy on us all. 😦
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How about making a faectious comment? Say, in regards to the children with Downs syndrome:

“Hey, I’ve got a really good idea. Lets round up all those with Downs syndrome, take them on busses out to a big camp somewhere, then we can tell themthey’re going to have a “shower” and then gas them when theyr’e in teh shower! You might say, what do we do with all those bodies, well, I have an idea for that too, we can put them in big ovens and burn them, and then sprinkle their ashes on roses, because they have to be good for something, right? Because obviously those with Downs are not really human, and their lives are full of misery and horror that they’d be better off not being born - but sometimes we find them too late, how is it fair to ignore the born Downs people who miss out on such mercy? Heck, and once we’ve taken out all those Downies, lets take out all the other sub-humans, those with autism - they’ll have to be gassed later on, because there’s no test for that when they’re in the womb - why should we deny them the sweet mercy of death just cos we can’t get themin the womb? See, these people cost to much, they interfer with the mother’s rights to education and career, they aren’t really self-aware, they’re just blobs of tissue!!”

Then hit them with science. Human life begins at conception, to deny that is to spit in the face of science - but great if they do because then you can ask if we start life as some kind of zombie!! ZOmbie foetuses, great plot for a horror movie!!

Its also assinine to select some abitrary point in pregnancy to assign the “right to life” or the right to not be aborted. There’s really no moral difference between the foetus and the newborn.

Just remember, the average abortion supporter hasn’t really considered what it is they’re supporting, they’re just paying lip service to the same tired rhetoric they see on the leftist televsion shows and MTV.

Point out the horrific logical conclusions.
 
vera_dicere said:
How about making a faectious comment? Say, in regards to the children with Downs syndrome:

“Hey, I’ve got a really good idea. Lets round up all those with Downs syndrome, take them on busses out to a big camp somewhere, then we can tell themthey’re going to have a “shower” and then gas them when theyr’e in teh shower! You might say, what do we do with all those bodies, well, I have an idea for that too, we can put them in big ovens and burn them, and then sprinkle their ashes on roses, because they have to be good for something, right? Because obviously those with Downs are not really human, and their lives are full of misery and horror that they’d be better off not being born - but sometimes we find them too late, how is it fair to ignore the born Downs people who miss out on such mercy? Heck, and once we’ve taken out all those Downies, lets take out all the other sub-humans, those with autism - they’ll have to be gassed later on, because there’s no test for that when they’re in the womb - why should we deny them the sweet mercy of death just cos we can’t get themin the womb? See, these people cost to much, they interfer with the mother’s rights to education and career, they aren’t really self-aware, they’re just blobs of tissue!!” …
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The problem with that approach is that it would go right over some heads because some people would agree with that mindset and find absolutely nothing wrong with it.

:sad_yes:

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