Men vs. women thing? All my fault? She's too needy?

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This may be one of those threads that seems stupid and melodramatic in a few days. I hope so. But right now I need to blow off some pressure before I just lose it.

In a nutshell, here’s the situation: I’m in the midst of building a business, and my wife thinks I can’t stand her.

Longer version: the business brings in just enough for us to live on, and the slow season is coming up. Based on past experience, during the holidays, we’ll be lucky to make enough to pay the rent. Some things have improved over the last couple of years – I have better marketing, a great reputation locally in the industry, etc. – but I think it’s still going to get tight. I have to prepare for this somehow, and I’ve even started looking for a job just in case. My every waking moment is taken up with the business, which is the problem, as you might have guessed.

She says I act as though she’s a burden on me. She tries – and succeeds very well – in “creating a soft place to land” here at home. She’s a wonderful wife and mother. And while “sharing my feelings” is about as pleasant as shoving a hot needle into my eye, I do try to let her know these things.

I’m trying as hard as I can to balance everything, but it appears I’m failing miserably. It’s not as though I ENJOY being a workaholic. It’s just that if I don’t do XYZ, we don’t eat. We rent, have old cars, don’t have any toys, and don’t get any vacations. I’m fine with that as long as everything works and we have a place to live and enough food to eat. But it takes a LOT of effort to keep the lights on. I thought we were managing, but as we go into the slow season, it looks like money’s going to get really tight, my wife feels alone, and I don’t want anything to do with God. I’m not saying I’ve lost my faith, but bottom line: God will do what God will do, and we have to fend for ourselves.

I think the next two days will probably be hell, and it kills me that I’ve been trying – nearly killing myself – to do everything right.

This has always been my fear, by the way. I coasted through life until I was married and we had our first child. Then, I “switched on,” I guess you’d say. But I’ve always worried that I’d fail if I tried anything. Not surprisingly, when you don’t try anything, you fail anyway. And now I’m almost literally breaking my back every day trying to provide for this family, and it’s all falling apart.

She feels like she’s apologized for everything she can apologize for. I’m sick of apologizing all the time. I’ll probably go apologize now, even though I’m not sure I’m at fault for anything, but I can’t take marital problems at the worst time of the year for them. Maybe it all just comes down to the fact that I don’t “express my feelings” the way I should. I guess I can work on that, but it’s pretty damned hard to communicate these things when I’m so hollowed out that, when I get a rare moment of free time, all I can do is sit there and drool while staring into space.

Anyway, thanks for “listening.” I guess that’s all I’ve got.
 
If you need a shoulder, I will pray for you - for both of you.

You have likely thought of all the advice I’d give… (look at moving somewhere that is not such an expensive place to live, maybe wife gets a job to help out - that would make her feel more part of the solution instead of the problem maybe…)

I’ll stick to prayers.
 
Pardon my grin, but I think you did a pretty good job of expressing your feelings.

Stretch your energy far anough and of course your feelings emotions are going into stasis to some extent, barring frustration! That’s the pattern!

You could always get a copy of “Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus” by John Gray, and both of you could read it and mabe understand what is going one with each other little better if you accept the viewpoints.

You are trying to build up your business and support your family in a difficult economy, so to understand each others’ position and each to make allowances would be right, I’d think.

Prayer being my thing, I’ll pray for you both.
Warm regards,

Trishie
 
You’re doing very well communicating your feelings in this post! Have you expressed yourself in this way to your wife?

Also, sometimes when we women want our guys to tell us their feelings, we’re not necessarily asking you to search in your brain for every possible feeling you may have. If someone asked me this moment to tell them my feelings, I’d have trouble too.

What we’re really longing for when we ask that is for emotional closeness and intimate conversation. It doesn’t have to be about your feelings as such. Maybe your wife is feeling lonely and needs you there as a support. If you are appearing cold and distant, that might be what is making her upset.

You should show your wife your OP so she sees how you feel.
 
For instance, gratuitous hugs every now and then, but more now than then.
 
My apologies Montanaman, if I’m way off base here.

But I’m not so sure your wife is lamenting your lack of expressing your feelings or a lack of spending time talking to her… It’s probably more a case of what feelings you are expressing and what you do with the time you do have with her. I wonder if it isn’t more a case that both of you need reassurance right now. Women like to hear their husbands express that the “nest” is safe and secure and men like to know how much their efforts to make a home for their wives and children are appreciated. But right now your wife doesn’t feel very secure and you are not feeling very appreciated.

My suggestion is to spend your time together reassuring your wife that you are there to take care of her and the child(ren). Maybe that means saying, “I love you,” with each light switch you shut off to save power. I don’t know. You know your wife best. Express a wish that you could spend more time with her and the kids (and perhaps a wish that she had more time for her personal endeavors if that is an issue.)

I hope your wife can express her appreciation for what you do for her.
 
Show her what you wrote.

I can see a man who loves his wife and his family and would do anything to keep them financially secure. These are hard times and it’s not just because of finances. The western world has rejected the family for the, “I want it now,” generation. Look at the mess we’re in. IMHO you are doing what my father and my grandfather before me did. You are trying to make ends meet and keep your family together.

You are working hard and your’e not straying. You love this woman. Tell her and don’t stop telling her! Yes she’s needy. She needs security in your love for her.

I will pray for you.
 
This may be one of those threads that seems stupid and melodramatic in a few days. I hope so. But right now I need to blow off some pressure before I just lose it.

In a nutshell, here’s the situation: I’m in the midst of building a business, and my wife thinks I can’t stand her.

Longer version: the business brings in just enough for us to live on, and the slow season is coming up. Based on past experience, during the holidays, we’ll be lucky to make enough to pay the rent. Some things have improved over the last couple of years – I have better marketing, a great reputation locally in the industry, etc. – but I think it’s still going to get tight. I have to prepare for this somehow, and I’ve even started looking for a job just in case. My every waking moment is taken up with the business, which is the problem, as you might have guessed.

She says I act as though she’s a burden on me. She tries – and succeeds very well – in “creating a soft place to land” here at home. She’s a wonderful wife and mother. And while “sharing my feelings” is about as pleasant as shoving a hot needle into my eye, I do try to let her know these things.

I’m trying as hard as I can to balance everything, but it appears I’m failing miserably. It’s not as though I ENJOY being a workaholic. It’s just that if I don’t do XYZ, we don’t eat. We rent, have old cars, don’t have any toys, and don’t get any vacations. I’m fine with that as long as everything works and we have a place to live and enough food to eat. But it takes a LOT of effort to keep the lights on. I thought we were managing, but as we go into the slow season, it looks like money’s going to get really tight, my wife feels alone, and I don’t want anything to do with God. I’m not saying I’ve lost my faith, but bottom line: God will do what God will do, and we have to fend for ourselves.

I think the next two days will probably be hell, and it kills me that I’ve been trying – nearly killing myself – to do everything right.

This has always been my fear, by the way. I coasted through life until I was married and we had our first child. Then, I “switched on,” I guess you’d say. But I’ve always worried that I’d fail if I tried anything. Not surprisingly, when you don’t try anything, you fail anyway. And now I’m almost literally breaking my back every day trying to provide for this family, and it’s all falling apart.

She feels like she’s apologized for everything she can apologize for. I’m sick of apologizing all the time. I’ll probably go apologize now, even though I’m not sure I’m at fault for anything, but I can’t take marital problems at the worst time of the year for them. Maybe it all just comes down to the fact that I don’t “express my feelings” the way I should. I guess I can work on that, but it’s pretty damned hard to communicate these things when I’m so hollowed out that, when I get a rare moment of free time, all I can do is sit there and drool while staring into space.

Anyway, thanks for “listening.” I guess that’s all I’ve got.
*(bolded for emphasis above in your post, mine)

The devil likes any open to squeeze into. More of what jumps out at me, is your reliance on yourself, and not God, as your financial burdens creep up. My dh and I have been guilty of such ‘feelings,’ so be careful! Be on guard! The evil one likes to get us away from God, even for but a few minutes, so he can whisper his negativity into our ears. Stay close to Christ…share with your wife your feelings, and try to find BALANCE in your life. God doesn’t want us working so hard that we are stressed out, and off balance with our spouses. It is very good that you want to take care of your family, but don’t lose yourself in that. Don’t lose your marriage in that. I’ll be praying for you…don’t give the devil an inch, because he WILL take a mile. God bless!!*
 
Perhaps you and your wife should talk about what your vision/plan is for your family in the next few years, and the next ten years.

It sounds like you are having a lot of stress over your business, and that is part of building a business. Do you see it getting better in the future? How long would you be willing to carry on with it as it is now? What about your wife? If it means less money and no time permanently, do you both feel it is worthwhile to pursue this course? What variables could impact how it goes, and which ones can you control.

If you both feel like you have some common goals and expectations, and possibly some alternate plans if your current course isn’t accomplishing what you would like, it might take off some family pressure.

I understand about feeling like you will fail. But keep in mind that it is your larger goals for your family that are important. That can mean changing our strategy if it no longer seems to be carrying us in the right direction. That’s not the same thing as failure at all.
 
You could always get a copy of “Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus” by John Gray, and both of you could read it and mabe understand what is going one with each other little better if you accept the viewpoints.
You really shouldnt get that book… I’m all for men and women are different, but it makes things very black and white, and in my opinion, is pretty sexist - the woman is expected to pick up all the slack.

Anyway, back to your story. I think you should let her know how desperate you are feeling - that you’re trying to look after both work and family and you have no time to breathe or relax (or spend alone Id imagine!) - I dont think this is a men vs. woman thing so much as a communication thing. You have said you try to tell her, but maybe you need to make the extent of your desperation clear.
 
I will write from the other perspective. My husband has his own business. He is doing something he always dreamed of doing but is working more hours than ever. When he is home, he is often on the computer handling emails and other follow-up for his business.

Honestly, it has taken it’s toll on me. On the one hand I am happy he is doing what he has always wanted but on the otherhand it seems the business has consumed him.

I realize it is hard when it’s your own to make or break. Are you making time for your wife and family? If finances are one of the primary issues, is there other work you can pick up during the slow time? For example, when starting out my husband had contemplated driving school bus.

You mention you have cut back on things…no vacation etc. Please make sure you are doing other things…like maybe picnic in the park or even just making a romantic dinner at home for your wife - maybe see if a friend or family member would take the baby for a couple hours. The simple things do count! - and can be easily done within a budget.

Prayers for you and your family.
 
I remember those years. Me and babies. Him gone all the time. me needy. him frustrated and tired.

The thing that helped me the most was having a really good mom support system, then my pals helped me with the support that dh couldn’t give me.

Of course, dh has been laid off for three months and before that, he wasn’t getting many hours, so we’ve had lots of time together lately. It’s bittersweet. I wish our time together was overshadowed by the financial burden.

Life’s just like that–what a roller coaster!! Encourage her to build a mommy network.

God bless. I hope you are wildly successful in your business. St. Joseph, pour it on!
 
I may have missed something…do you have children? If not, is there another reason why she can’t go back to work?

Yes, the early years are very difficult whether you are establishing yourself in a career or starting your own business.

There must be an hour a day you can concentrate on her. Even if it is at breakfast where you both just enjoy your coffee together with the news turned off and talk to each other.

Try and find one hour a week for a date. You don’t need to spend money. Watch a movie together, take a walk, turn off the phone and have dinner.

Go to Mass on Sunday together. Come home and have breakfast together.
 
My husband and I are in a similar situation. Though he doesnt own his own business or anything, he is always wanting to do something that doesnt involve the family. We have two small children. I am a stay at home mom. I take care of the kids, cook, do the cleaning and laundry… He works on the '67 Fairlane we have parked in the driveway orputters with the house etc. He doesnt take time out for us and its tearing us apart. We all live on his income, which isnt even $20 an hour. Its tight here also. We have a mortgage and a line of credit to pay off as well.
Is there no way you can take a day or even half a day out a week, make her dinner or take her for dinner if you have the extra money? I dont know how old your children are, but perhaps you could all talk a walk at a park or something, have a little picnic, just the family. Or once the kids go to bed, let her pick out a movie, and cuddle as you watch it. It doesnt take too much to show her you care. I understand your need to get everything done with the winter season just around the corner, but coming from a woman some what in your wifes shoes, I understand where she is coming from as well. If money is that tight, can she get a job? Even just part time? There are a lot of work from home jobs that are looking for customer service reps to answer phones. Perhaps something she could do while staying home with the kids. Have you tried asking her what she would like? Dinner? A movie? Dancing? Maybe just a couple hours where you have the children and she has some time? Or dropping the children off for a while/night so the two of you can spend some time together? I know its tight financially, but there needs to be room for a marriage. For me, I feel as if it would be easier for me to take the kids and live alone. Because it would be the same except I wouldnt have to clean up after him or deal with his temper. Have you tried putting yourself in her shoes? She though needs to understand that what you’re doing is to make sure you and the family eat. However like I said, if she were to take a job, that would help the financial situation and give you some time to spend with her. Have you brought that up with her?
 
This may be one of those threads that seems stupid and melodramatic in a few days. I hope so. …
It’s been more than a few days since you posted this thread. Does it seem “stupid and melodramitic” yet? Did you make it through those difficult couple of days?
She says I act as though she’s a burden on me. …She’s a wonderful wife and mother. And while “sharing my feelings” is about as pleasant as shoving a hot needle into my eye, I do try to let her know these things.

I’m trying as hard as I can to balance everything, but it appears I’m failing miserably. It’s not as though I ENJOY being a workaholic. It’s just that if I don’t do XYZ, we don’t eat. …I think the next two days will probably be hell, and it kills me that I’ve been trying – nearly killing myself – to do everything right. …This has always been my fear, by the way. I coasted through life until I was married and we had our first child. Then, I “switched on,” I guess you’d say. …
Might I suggest that when she says you act as though she’s a burden on you, what she may be saying is that SHE FEELS like she’s a burden on you. She didn’t see you experiencing these difficulties of life until after you married her and she bore you a child. She may feel largely responsible for your present difficulties. While she may honestly want to know your feelings, she may be struggling with her own feelings about what you share with her.

I’m a stay-at home- wife and mother now, but I used to be a successful professional who made a respectable salary doing something I enjoyed. Now I work hard for no pay. As you work hard to build your business without seeing much financial reward, you may know a little about how that feels. Now imagine that you got no pay for what you do, that you were dependent on someone else to provide you with money so you can eat, and that person has shared feelings of frustration regarding how difficult it is to make money to put food on the table. As difficult as it may be to be the sole provider, it can also be difficult to be the stay-at-home spouse watching the sole provider struggle to support the family.

It has been over a week since you started this thread. I hope things are going better for you and your young bride by now.
 
Hey all.

It’s been a few weeks now, and while things were patched up pretty quickly, I don’t think I was being stupid or melodramatic. We may have some problems, but so far, nothing is shrieking for attention.

Heh. I just realized that sounds like something a guy might say while his wife is taking a flamethrower to his truck.

We have issues. I know everyone does. If this forum has taught me nothing else, it’s that you have to keep things in perspective. But I’m afraid that I don’t know how to handle the issues right now. As we go into the slow season and work dries up somewhat, (perhaps significantly), I’m mainly concerned with keeping us clothed, fed and sheltered. Meanwhile, she doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with birth control, she doesn’t like being a mom, and God help us if the house is messy…

Sorry – I intended to drop in and leave a not closing this thread. But as I sit here waiting for a customer to arrive so we can begin a new job, I can almost feel the tension at home. And I’m powerless to do anything about it. I can fling prayers into the void, but the thought of THAT exhausts me. She looks to me for leadership in all kinds of ways, chief among them spiritual leadership, but like I said, it’s exhausting. Faking it tends to do that, I guess.

So, prayers, please. I’m terrified that she just wants us to make more money and live the life the D.C. Joneses do. I’m sorry, but that makes me want to retch. I gave up my ideas about an ideal future and adopted hers, have learned to love a lot about this place, but I don’t think I can do it if my wife is seduced by the high life.

Sorry…rambling. I knew I shouldn’t have brought this stuff to the front of my mind. Please just pray.
 
…So, prayers, please. …Please just pray.
For you and your wife:
Hail Mary, full of grace the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amont women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. :gopray:

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Okay, okay, I know you just asked for prayers but one thing you wrote struck me as something from a book. You wrote you fear she wants more money to “keep up with the DC Joneses.” I remember a book once talked about when wives ask for “more support” from their husbands, most husbands interpreted that to mean “more money.” Don’t know if this applies, and the temptation towards materialism is certainly a reality for many women (myself included), but if a wife feels emotionally supported, she may not feel the need to spend as much money. If you’re gone all day and she’s struggling with staying home alone with baby, shopping might be a way of passing the time and interacting with other adults. Just a thought. Back to prayers…

Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen:gopray2:
 
She looks to me for leadership in all kinds of ways, chief among them spiritual leadership, but like I said, it’s exhausting. Faking it tends to do that, I guess.
Don’t say this – you’re not “faking” anything. Given that you can express your feelings coherently, you’re already smarter than 90% of the yokels who are getting married and having kids nowadays. Seriously, if you’re not qualified to be a husband and father, then probably none of us are. So, stop thinking that you’re “faking” it, before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Check out this website: impostorsyndrome.com/ . If you don’t have this problem, then you can feel good about yourself for this. If you do have this problem, maybe a little awareness can help.
Okay, okay, I know you just asked for prayers but one thing you wrote struck me as something from a book. You wrote you fear she wants more money to “keep up with the DC Joneses.” I remember a book once talked about when wives ask for “more support” from their husbands, most husbands interpreted that to mean “more money.” Don’t know if this applies, and the temptation towards materialism is certainly a reality for many women (myself included), but if a wife feels emotionally supported, she may not feel the need to spend as much money.
I would totally believe that “keeping up with the DC Joneses” could be a big issue for his wife. I also live in DC, and the materialistic attitudes among the younger set are ridiculous. Although I appreciate the numerous Catholic institutions we have around there, the materialism is almost as bad in the Catholic community as it is outside of it. Most exceptions that I’ve seen are among those who work at Catholic nonprofits, or those who live in poorer neighborhoods.

What I’m saying is – I can very easily visualize the issues that he’s having with his wife, if his wife has lived here for much of her life.

Hang in there, montanaman…
 
Do you think that your wife might like to go back to work, at least part time? Not every woman is cut out to be a stay at home mom. I know my sister gets very depressed being home full time and is happiest being able to work 2 to 3 days a week.
 
The materialism thing is really hard, especially because it crosses over into legitimate territory - the desire to feel physically secure and safe, and the desire to provide for the physical needs of the family.

So it is legitimate for a mother to feel strongly about having a safe home that will be there to provide shelter for her kids. But then it becomes more difficult - what we consider basic is so influenced by what we see around us. And it is mostly sub-concious. Or we feel guilty because we can’t give our kids what other families cosider basic - lessons or new clothes or whatever.

And then moms who feel embarrassed or somehow separated from those around them due to money issues can find it hard to maintain friendships, which leads to all kinds of difficulty. It sounds a bit dubious, but it happens. An educated woman may find most of those other moms who have similar backgrounds to her own are living in a totally different way. She may be embarrassed to invite them home, or maybe doesn’t enjoy seeing the different way their kids live. Or they just don’t have much in common. So mom can get lonely very easily.

And then stay-at-home moms spend all day in their houses. If at some level they are not happy with their circumstances, it can wear on them very quickly.

Now, not all of these are things you can do something about or should do something about. But they are things that can affect SAHMs especially when they live in a community where most are much wealthier.
 
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