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tuffsmurf
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That’s where I could see problems coming with pregnancy and childbirth during military service.
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Sarcelle
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Rape is also common during peace. In some parts of the world more than others.
Now talking about war time rape, the vast majority of the victims are civilians.
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1ke
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The Church does not have any teaching on menstruation or its suppression. This is a medical decision, not a moral one.
The principe is double effect would be the moral principle here.
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Sarcelle
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It depends.
When I served, women were prohibited from direct combat jobs and worked on support jobs. These jobs were not as physically stressful as combat jobs.
Medical discharges were rare but not unheard of.
When I served, women were prohibited from direct combat jobs and worked on support jobs. These jobs were not as physically stressful as combat jobs.
Medical discharges were rare but not unheard of.
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27lw
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Tuffsmurf spelled out details but our point is the same. I think! Hormonal birth control and iuds can have very bad effects on the body.27lw:
You dare. But, I’m not sure there is much merit to the contention, unlike the points made by tuffsmurf.
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TMC
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I have never heard of this. Sounds very urban legendy.
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RhodesianSon
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Seems like a bunch of reasons women shouldn’t be in combat zones.
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RolandThompsonGunner
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Seems extreme to me. Maybe on some remote outpost in the Korengal Valley, sure. But a big FOB or airbase like Al Asad or Bagram? No issue.
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Sarcelle
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If you mean women in direct combat roles, I agree. Women shouldn’t be in direct combat roles.
However there are already women in combat zones. They’re civilians who are caught in the cross fire between two armies. Think of Kurdish women or Syrian women.
The suffer death and rape just the same. Being a non-combatant doesn’t protect you.
However there are already women in combat zones. They’re civilians who are caught in the cross fire between two armies. Think of Kurdish women or Syrian women.
The suffer death and rape just the same. Being a non-combatant doesn’t protect you.
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27lw
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Read the link in my post (post seven).
It’s pretty clear that the army would like women to use contraception for deployment readiness.
It’s pretty clear that the army would like women to use contraception for deployment readiness.
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TMC
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I can’t speak for the Army, but I spent 21 years in the Marine Corps and never heard of this. I am guessing most women Marines use contraception for the same reasons that most civilian women do.
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27lw
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Yeah, well, how long ago were you in the Marines? Did you read the link? That is the current information.
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TK421
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Women work in all sorts of jobs that include people relying on you in potential life and death situations. Think of nurses and doctors.
What do women do when their hormones are fluctuating? They manage. If it’s exceptionally bad they might take medicine and/or they might take a day off. If a side effect of medicine includes a contraceptive effect but if the intention is not to contracept, then it is fine.
The advantage for women is that women often have good introspective knowledge of themselves and their bodies and they often know if their condition is affecting their mood, concentration, health, etc. Men don’t menstruate but our bodies likewise go through hormonal fluctuations and we often aren’t cognizant of it. So what happens when this affects our performance or our judgment? Potentially very bad things.
The fact is, nobody is actually fully qualified for certain responsibilities. People are fallible and subjective and prone to weakness and all sorts of other things. That is why it is so important to develop virtues through prayer and penance and works of mercy.
What do women do when their hormones are fluctuating? They manage. If it’s exceptionally bad they might take medicine and/or they might take a day off. If a side effect of medicine includes a contraceptive effect but if the intention is not to contracept, then it is fine.
The advantage for women is that women often have good introspective knowledge of themselves and their bodies and they often know if their condition is affecting their mood, concentration, health, etc. Men don’t menstruate but our bodies likewise go through hormonal fluctuations and we often aren’t cognizant of it. So what happens when this affects our performance or our judgment? Potentially very bad things.
The fact is, nobody is actually fully qualified for certain responsibilities. People are fallible and subjective and prone to weakness and all sorts of other things. That is why it is so important to develop virtues through prayer and penance and works of mercy.
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TMC
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Not so long that I don’t have a good idea what’s going on. I still have friends in, and, while we don’t discuss menses very often, I do keep generally abreast of policy. I have not heard of this one.
Yes, I read the link, but it seems like medical information about contraception to me. Pretty mundane stuff. You seem to think its the leading edge of some kind of conspiracy to force contraceptives on people.
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27lw
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You don’t think that this is trying to persuade women soldiers to take contraception?27lw:
Not so long that I don’t have a good idea what’s going on. I still have friends in, and, while we don’t discuss menses very often, I do keep generally abreast of policy. I have not heard of this one.
Yes, I read the link, but it seems like medical information about contraception to me. Pretty mundane stuff. You seem to think its the leading edge of some kind of conspiracy to force contraceptives on people.
It’s the very first paragraph!
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TMC
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No. I think its medical advice, from one medical professional. Its not Army policy or a directive of any kind. Its also more than five years old.
Have you ever been in the military? Contrary to wait some want to believe, military people are not robots that are so easily swayed. If a young Marine or soldier goes to her doctor for advice on whether to stay on contraceptives during deployment, I expect her to get advice as to the pros and cons and to make her own decision on the matter. If the Army wants to make its women use contraceptives there are better ways to do that then an obscure five year old article tucked into some corner of army.mil.
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tuffsmurf
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Most doctors don’t work in unsanitary places without access to bathrooms though. And practicing medicine is generally not a job that requieres physical strenghts. Working night shifts is something that can disturb hormonal balances though, so for a woman who is pregnant or planning a pregnancy, it might be wise to consider that.
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RhodesianSon
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I don’t really consider big FOBs combat zones. Especially in modern warfare where the enemy isn’t going to attack a large installation. But definitely shouldn’t be in remote outposts.
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