MERGED: And With Your Spirit

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japhy

 

[Steady_Eddy]

The following are not my words but part of an article I was reading.

“And with your spirit”) is an acknowledgement by the congregation of the grace and presence of Christ who is present and operative in the spirit or soul of the celebrant. Christ’s Spirit is present in the priest in a unique way in virtue of his ordination. Hence what the dialogue means is:
• Celebrant: The Lord be with you.
• Congregation: We do in fact acknowledge the grace, presence and Spirit of Christ in your spirit.
The priest or bishop who celebrates Mass is configured to Christ by the Sacrament of Holy Orders. The Spirit of Christ is in him in a unique way that is unlike any other non-ordained member of the congregation. The priest acts in persona Christi. That is, Christ personally ministers through him in such a way that we say that Christ is the true priest and celebrant of every Mass. The phrase “and with your spirit is an acknowledgment and statement of faith in this fact. The congregation says in effect, “We acknowledge the Spirit, presence and grace of Christ in your spirit father.”
This understanding of the Greeting and response is confirmed by the fact that only a Bishop, priest or deacon may give the greeting “The Lord be with you” and hence receive the response, “and with your spirit.

2 Cor 13:13
Eddy Barry

 

[ProVobis]

The following are not my words but part of an article I was reading.

“And with your spirit”) is an acknowledgement by the congregation of the grace and presence of Christ who is present and operative in the spirit or soul of the celebrant. Christ’s Spirit is present in the priest in a unique way in virtue of his ordination. Hence what the dialogue means is:
• Celebrant: The Lord be with you.
• Congregation: We do in fact acknowledge the grace, presence and Spirit of Christ in your spirit.
The priest or bishop who celebrates Mass is configured to Christ by the Sacrament of Holy Orders. The Spirit of Christ is in him in a unique way that is unlike any other non-ordained member of the congregation. The priest acts in persona Christi. That is, Christ personally ministers through him in such a way that we say that Christ is the true priest and celebrant of every Mass. The phrase “and with your spirit is an acknowledgment and statement of faith in this fact. The congregation says in effect, “We acknowledge the Spirit, presence and grace of Christ in your spirit father.”
This understanding of the Greeting and response is confirmed by the fact that only a Bishop, priest or deacon may give the greeting “The Lord be with you” and hence receive the response, “and with your spirit.

2 Cor 13:13
Eddy Barry

I wonder if this explanation would be the same if “The Lord IS with you” were to be used like it is in the Polish and the Spanish.

Seems to me the spirit WOULD be different. Just saying.

 

[ProVobis]

So when the priest says … the Lord be with you, and we respond ‘and with your spirit’ we are referring to Christ’s spirit present in the priest durring Mass

But is this the same spirit when the priest says “The peace of the Lord be with you always.” ?

(In this case the subjunctive is correct.)

 

[surritter]

Here is another thread on the topic.

What I find interesting is that we say “and with your spirit” even to the deacon who proclaims the Gospel. It’s in recognition of the grace bestowed upon his soul at diaconate ordination, also.