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How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
It might be hard in the face of argument, but I would go with rather making THEM defend THEIR stand. Where is the plethora of data which proves that homosexuality is ‘natural’, or even that every ‘natural’ behavior is sanctioned? (a lot of men would say that promiscuity is natural, that monogamy is UNnatural. That ‘revenge’ is natural, and forgiveness UNnatural, etc.)

Where is the proof that ‘happiness’ ( a darn subjective term) makes 'right?"

These people are relying on emotionalism and trying to make you ‘prove a negative’. Don’t fall for it. Make them defend THEIR stand.
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
The Church condemns sodomy and any sexual practise outside of marriage that is closed to the gift of life. Homosexuality is condemned only because it is incapable, in its finality, of achieving that which marriage realizes in its perfection, which is God-given life.

Homosexual men must cultivate and perfect chastity just as heterosexual men and women must.

This really is not a discussion about** homosexuals per se: it’s about sex and its place in human relationships and the perfection of chastity.
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
Asking them to defend their position is a great way to start. If they try to use the “natural” argument, talk about why they think it is natural for 2 males or 2 females to try and have sex with each other. In fact, in the strictest sense, they can’t have sex (intercourse) with each other, only Male and Female can do that.

They may try and appeal to animals which they claim are homosexual. You can argue this point if you wish (but you will need to do some research) or you can ask why we look to animals for justification on how to behave. Last time I checked, animals do not ask for consent when they have sex, does this mean humans do not need consent.

I have found that advocates of Same-sex sex (and you might need to use that phrase because being homosexual is not a sin, but acting on the feelings of homosexuality is what is wrong) usually fall back to claiming something about “love”. They usually say something like “Who are you to stop 2 people from loving each other?” Well, who are they to say it is okay? If same-sex sex is okay, what about other kinds of sex: orgies, bestiality, pedophilia etc, are they okay? Clearly we believe they are wrong, but that is because God says they are wrong (just as He said same-sex sex is wrong) but if we are going to start redefining sex, then who ultimately decides what is right sex and what is wrong sex? This is the problem with Moral Relativism, their is no ultimate truth, it is just what we decide it to be.

I hope this helps a bit, and might I also suggest you read the book in my signature. It only has one chapter on homosexuality but it really opened my eyes to what sex really is.
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
Chances are they’re an atheist. If so, ask them how does this act of homosexuality improve the species and progresses evolution when all it does it impede the species and cause disease and corruption of the body?
 
Most will use the excuse that homosexuality is natural because certain animals can be seen to perform homosexual acts, but this does not explain how homosexuality is natural in the least bit, especially in regards to human nature. Heck the zoologists can’t even explain how it is natural in the very very small percentage of animals they see it in, and they can’t explain it because it’s abnormal behavior and not the norm. Since homosexuality cannot be found in all animals (and only in a small percent of the population of the animals cited) one can conclude that homosexual acts, even in the animal kingdom are not as “normal” as it’s made out to be and that the evidence for homosexuality is even lower. Also most of the cases regarding animals committing homosexual acts in the animal kingdom are the result of that particular animal living under not so ideal conditions such as over population, social integration issues, and etc.

Yet none of this however is even evidence of homosexuality itself since there is a huge difference between homosexual acts and homosexuality. Straight people under certain conditions can perform homosexual acts but this does not make them homosexuals. The very small amount of animals within the ones cited actually living a strictly homosexual life is so low that even zoologists are amazed when they see it. The only thing this “evidence” shows us is that homosexuality is abnormal behavior.
 
Chances are they’re an atheist. If so, ask them how does this act of homosexuality improve the species and progresses evolution when all it does it impede the species and cause disease and corruption of the body?
Would you mind explaining precisely how sexual acts between two men or women cause disease and corrupt the body.

What corrupts the body is temptation and sinning against chastity. You are also making the mistaking of conflating sodomy with homosexuality. Any sexual act performed between two men can equally be performed by a man and a woman.

I really hope that you’ll reconsider your opinion on this.
 
Like anything else, what is required is a long study. The problem is, I don’t think there is content on homosexuality out there like there is on, say, abortion or contra Protestantism stuff. And if there is, it is usually heterodox, or coming from a caustic point of view. Our gay brothers and sisters have enough on their plate as it is, and we should reach our hands out to them in love first and foremost. With that in mind, there is not a lot out there as far as I can tell.
 
It might be hard in the face of argument, but I would go with rather making THEM defend THEIR stand. Where is the plethora of data which proves that homosexuality is ‘natural’,
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316316,00.html
foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/15/have-scientists-found-gay-gene/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

This part is not that hard to find.
or even that every ‘natural’ behavior is sanctioned? (a lot of men would say that promiscuity is natural, that monogamy is UNnatural. That ‘revenge’ is natural, and forgiveness UNnatural, etc.)
Sanctioned by who?
Where is the proof that ‘happiness’ ( a darn subjective term) makes 'right?"
We all seek happiness. Each of the actions we take is to give us pleasure, not necessarily immediately. Would you not suffer on Earth for a thousand years to enter the kingdom of heaven? That aside, happiness does not make homosexuality “right”. You would need to look into what makes it moral/immoral.
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
That Homosexuality is natural is a good starting point.However its very hard to convince a honosexual that that’s not the case.Psychiatrists say that all children have homosexual tendencies.But they must be reinforced.A person may be inclined to homo.by positive or negative influences(a child may be brought up wearing dresses,he may be the girl his mother never could have).Under such influences a child may identifiy with the opposite sex and it becomes very natural.The only real defense is that the God(the bible) condemns it.You might try since man and women can only produce offspring aand that’s why they were joined together but I doubt that would convince.You might say if homosexuals say they marry because of love and sex is a necessary part why is it not equally ok for 3 homosexuals to be married or since dog is man’s best friend why not a dog and a man.
 
Like anything else, what is required is a long study. The problem is, I don’t think there is content on homosexuality out there like there is on, say, abortion or contra Protestantism stuff. And if there is, it is usually heterodox, or coming from a caustic point of view. Our gay brothers and sisters have enough on their plate as it is, and we should reach our hands out to them in love first and foremost. With that in mind, there is not a lot out there as far as I can tell.
Pardon me. No need for a long study. Common sense can tell the difference between a man and a woman. Common sense also says that all, which means each and every human person is worthy of our love, understanding, and respect. Obviously, this does not mean that wrongful acts are supported.
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
Maybe you should them that you and the Church were “born that way.” Isn’t that the most natural and truthful response?
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
Seems to me that all functions of animals’ anatomies are natural and usually make the animal happy, relieved, or safe.

But human nature is more than an animal anatomy. Human nature is an unique unification of rational/corporeal; spirit/matter; material/non-material; soul and body with a different eternal purpose than total decomposition.

A suggestion would be to defend human nature with its ability and free choice to share in God’s own life for eternity. (made in the Image of God). Follow in the footsteps of St. Paul and share the good news with the irreligious.
 
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316316,00.html
foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/15/have-scientists-found-gay-gene/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

This part is not that hard to find.

You haven’t found anything except speculation and ‘self-edited’ opinion.

Sanctioned by who?

Whom, and you’ve just proven my point. What or who is the ultimate judge of what ‘is’ and why? Who chooses right and wrong and how do we know what is ‘correct’ and what is not?

We all seek happiness. Each of the actions we take is to give us pleasure, not necessarily immediately. and right here you inject your PERSONAL opinion, not fact. And what do you mean by pleasure? That word means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Would you not suffer on Earth for a thousand years to enter the kingdom of heaven? That aside, happiness does not make homosexuality “right”. You would need to look into what makes it moral/immoral.
and obviously you and I differ on what makes it moral/immoral. So which of us is correct if we have absolutely contrary opinions?
 
Lynx, it may be the case that homosexuality really is genetic, but I hope you do not think that those articles are conclusive or even a correct and/or accurate presentation of the data. Very recently, there was a study done on mice that show that different hormones affected their sexuality as well, suggesting a chemical influence. At the very least, I would not go around posting that homosexuality is genetic just yet.
 
How can I better defend the Church’s stance on Homosexuality, especially against the irreligious? Time and again I’ve heard that homosexuality is natural, just as happy for the people as heterosexuality, etc… How should I respond to these?
I’m not sure it’s possible to respond if they’re irreligious. You can’t say there is an objective meaning to sexuality beyond how we feel about it, and between two consenting adults anything goes nowadays.

However, if they still believe in objective ethical truths (despite the irrationality of it without God), you may try explaining how our bodies have an objective sexuality to them despite who the person is attracted to. Deviant sexual acts simulate natural heterosexual intercourse in some way, and a man still releases sperm regardless of who he’s doing it with. Clearly, from a biological standpoint, sexual stimulation is meant to get a man and woman to do the act that leads to procreation. There would be NO reason for animals to have genitalia if not for procreation.
 
I’m not irreligious, but I I view homosexuality as completely natural and moral. Come at me with your best shot.😃
 
That Homosexuality is natural is a good starting point.However its very hard to convince a honosexual that that’s not the case.Psychiatrists say that all children have homosexual tendencies.But they must be reinforced.A person may be inclined to homo.by positive or negative influences(a child may be brought up wearing dresses,he may be the girl his mother never could have).Under such influences a child may identifiy with the opposite sex and it becomes very natural.The only real defense is that the God(the bible) condemns it.You might try since man and women can only produce offspring aand that’s why they were joined together but I doubt that would convince.You might say if homosexuals say they marry because of love and sex is a necessary part why is it not equally ok for 3 homosexuals to be married or since dog is man’s best friend why not a dog and a man.
Are you suggesting that the mother puts her son in dresses because she wishes to make him the daughter she never had? Perhaps in very rare cases. But, much more likely, it’s the son who wishes to wear his mother’s dresses because he is either expressing homosexual tendencies before puberty or a gender identity issue. Most parents–even liberally minded ones–are quite strict with their children in regard to what they believe and society tells them are gender-appropriate clothes, toys, behaviors, and so on.
 
I’m not irreligious, but I I view homosexuality as completely natural and moral. Come at me with your best shot.😃
You really put yourself on the firing line, didn’t you? Well, I’m not one of your executioners. In fact I agree with you that there are plenty of people who are religious (or, let’s say, religious-minded, not atheists) who are not critical of homosexuals or homosexual behavior from a moral or natural perspective. Perhaps not on this forum, however.
 
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