MERGED: Chick-fil-A

[Seeker1961]

Thank you Copt, like I said I am no southern baptist and definately not a domionist. These people make strange bedfellows with Catholics and Orthodox. Their goal is to transform the US into a fundamentalist theocracy and when they acheive that goal there playing nice with Catholics will end.

They do not consider Catholics Christian at all, and freely proseletize Catholics trying to turn them into their definition as “christains”.

No thank you.

I was wondering when someone would find this. I almost got caught up in it myself while away from the Church.

While I was out “seeking” a friend of mine got me involved at her non-denominational church. It was great…for a while. Then slowly I started to hear some of the things in the site above. Stay far away…

 

[pollycarp]

Thank you Copt, like I said I am no southern baptist and definately not a domionist. These people make strange bedfellows with Catholics and Orthodox. Their goal is to transform the US into a fundamentalist theocracy and when they acheive that goal there playing nice with Catholics will end.

They do not consider Catholics Christian at all, and freely proseletize Catholics trying to turn them into their definition as “christains”.

No thank you.

I didn’t know this. Thank you. Anyway, I felt I’d go on Wednesday to show my opposition to the gay marriage crowd just as much as my support for Chick Filet.

 

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[Stylites]

Talk about cafeteria Catholics!

Doh!

 

[migueltojose]

OK I’ll give you the pedophile stat, I was wrong. But, according to the CPIU 97% of pedophiles are male, but only 25% of the victims are boys. I’m sorry. What I might have meant is that I don’t think it’s homophobic to be “creeped out” by homosexuals, I think it is normal. And I suspect a lot of people who say they are accepting of homosexuality really aren’t. More likely they are respecting privacy and or liberty, which is quite different.

Did you read the article in crisis magazine or the Catholic Catechism on the subject?

 

[Seeker1961]

OK I’ll give you the pedophile stat, I was wrong. But, according to the CPIU 97% of pedophiles are male, but only 25% of the victims are boys. I’m sorry. What I might have meant is that I don’t think it’s homophobic to be “creeped out” by homosexuals, I think it is normal. And I suspect a lot of people who say they are accepting of homosexuality really aren’t. More likely they are respecting privacy and or liberty, which is quite different.

Did you read the article in crisis magazine or the Catholic Catechism on the subject?

What’s interesting is that people who are attracted to those of the same gender are “creeped out” by the idea of performing “the act” with someone of the opposite gender. I don’t think that’s “heterophobic” either. It’s just about who they are genuinely attracted to.

 

[hannajomar]

I agree with you that such is their moral (if not legal) right, as no one should compel another for service.

However do you think it is just of them to do so? What if it was an interracial couple, for example?

I’m in an interracial marriage. And if someone didn’t want to do business with us because they don’t like it, they don’t deserve my money. I’m not concerned about what other people think about my decisions in life. On the other hand, there is now a movement to force everybody to agree with gay behavior.

 

[Corki]

No one is questioning Cathy’s right to say what he said. The opposition to his statement is not about “political correctness” either. We have to remember that LGBTs are a marginalized group. Within recent history they have been sent to mental institutions, jailed, harassed by cops, denied employment (and can still be in some places), and were generally considered outsiders in society. Because they were outsiders, and were generally isolated from each other, they could not speak up for themselves when people spoke against them. With the formation of the modern gay rights movement, LGBTs make it a point to confront and challenge such statements, no matter how small, and make it clear that it is not acceptable to them. I don’t think anyone should be upset that things aren’t how they used to be and Chick-Fil-A will have to deal with the bad press for a little while (ultimately, for good or bad, it will blow over).

It’s not the press that is disheartening - it’s the vitriol from the “gay” rights activists and thier supporters. They aren’t just “challenging” the statements. They really do not think he has the right to say what he said. If you have a strong stomach, you can read some of the comments and pictures posted on the CFA facebook page. They are disgusting but one of the themes being repeated is that many of these people want to characterize Mr. Cathy’s words as hate speech and want the voicing of such opinions to be illegal.

And the elected officials of Boston and Chicago evidently don’t think he had a right to speak as he did.

 

[flyinghouse]

*married *same-sex couples

this makes no sense

 

[livingwordunity]

American liberal progressives always resort to brute force and appeals to emotion since they don’t have logic on their side.

 

[CopticChristian]

Suppose Chick-fil-A implemented a policy of not serving *married *same-sex couples, on the grounds that doing so would be a tacit endorsement of SSM. Should Chick-fil-A be allowed to discriminate against them?

Spence,

Lets take the facts and put the hypothetical into perspective. It is no secret that Chik-fil-A supports Dominionism.

jessicajewettonline.com/chick-fil-as-links-to-dominionism-and-anti-gay-agendas

Of disturbing note, the creator of Veggietales is linked to one of the early dominionist “Joel’s Army” groups, Maranatha (FACTnet, a group dedicated to exposing coercive and abusive groups, has more info here). Maranatha was so spiritually abusive it was banned on multiple state campuses; it has since reinvented itself under the names “Morning Star International” and “Every Nation”.

Chick-Fil-A has distributed CDs of the dominionist program Adventures in Odyssey; this show has been described as a Radio “Jesus Camp”, and is broadcast on radio stations that are part of the dominionist “alternate media”. Show topics have included promotion of assistance to the Contras (under the guise of “evangelisation” of the Miskitu first nation–a very common method FGBMFI-linked groups used to funnel aid to the Contras which made the Miskitu targets of both the Contras and Sandanistas as a result; the Miskitu had been Christianised since the early 1800s and actually had a European style of government by the 1850s, and were in fact largely Protestant well before the dominionists came with their Contra funding-fronts). Other fun radio topics include the wholescale genocide of a people simply because they were pagans and a story on how it is permissible to steal and destroy roleplaying games belonging to another person to prevent them from being “demonised”.

And What is Dominionism…

religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

**Dominionists celebrate Christian nationalism, in that they believe the United States once was, and should again be, a Christian nation. In this way, they deny the Enlightenment roots of American democracy. **

**Dominionists promote religious supremacy, insofar as they generally do not respect the equality of other religions, or even other versions of Christianity. **

**Dominionists endorse theocratic visions, believing that the Ten Commandments, or “biblical law,” should be the foundation of American law, and that the U.S. Constitution should be seen as a vehicle for implementing Biblical principles. **

At the apex of hard Dominionism is the religious dogma of Dominion Theology, with two major branches: Christian Reconstructionism and Kingdom Now theology. It is the latter’s influence on the theopolitical movement called the New Apostolic Reformation that has been linked in published reports to potential Republican presidential nominees Perry, Bachmann or Palin. All three of these right-wing political debutantes have flirted with Christian Right Dominionism, but how far they have danced toward the influence of hard-right Dominion Theology is in dispute. It would be nice if some “mainstream” journalists actually researched the question.

“While differing from Reconstructionism in many ways, Kingdom Now shares the belief that Christians have a mandate to take dominion over every area of life,” explains religion scholar Bruce Barron. And it is just this tendency that has spread through evangelical Protestantism, resulting in the emergence of “various brands of ‘dominionist’ thinkers in contemporary American evangelicalism,” according to Barron.

The most militant Dominion Theologists would silence dissenters and execute adulterers, homosexuals and recalcitrant children.

So if Chik-fil-A is refusing to serve married same sex couples then they probably are of the belief that if they are going to execute them anyway, why feed them…It would mean that the Dominionist agenda has progressed and dissenters would be the next to stop being served.

 

[Seeker1961]

Spence,

Lets take the facts and put the hypothetical into perspective. It is no secret that Chik-fil-A supports Dominionism.

jessicajewettonline.com/chick-fil-as-links-to-dominionism-and-anti-gay-agendas

And What is Dominionism…

religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

So if Chik-fil-A is refusing to serve married same sex couples then they probably are of the belief that if they are going to execute them anyway, why feed them…It would mean that the Dominionist agenda has progressed and dissenters would be the next to stop being served.

And guess who is next after they execute the gays…

 

[TracerBullet]

You said they are “wrongly defined as a sex act”. Well if they’re defining themselves by a sex act to gain rights (and as I said, IMO bullying other people to give them “rights” that they DON’T actually deserve), then I’m not going to get too beat up about it if I identify the community by their sexual actions.

Chaste homosexuals I have no problem with. But this LGBT community as a whole I DO have a problem with.

Are you defined solely by what you do sexually?

I doubt it.

 

[TracerBullet]

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Well, here’s our primary source of disagreement then. I DON’T think their relationships are worthy of civil and societal benefits, and as I said as a group I think they’re using the “morality” card to try and bully the rest of the country into caving into their wishes.

Why should your believe that somehow they are unworthy trump their right to equal protection under the law?

 

[Slavonic]

What I might have meant is that I don’t think it’s homophobic to be “creeped out” by homosexuals, I think it is normal.

Did you read the article in crisis magazine or the Catholic Catechism on the subject?

Fear is a perfectly normal response to the unknown and unfamiliar, no doubt about it. And homophobia (phobia=fear of) is a kind of fear that be be overcome through understanding. Regarding Crisis magazine, I did read it and it piqued my curiosity, If I went on about it it would derail the thread. Though I am skeptical of the author or photo editor’s knowledge of the issue when he or she put of picture of drag queens with an article about Trans people.

It’s not the press that is disheartening - it’s the vitriol from the “gay” rights activists and thier supporters. They aren’t just “challenging” the statements. They really do not think he has the right to say what he said. If you have a strong stomach, you can read some of the comments and pictures posted on the CFA facebook page.

That’s because they see his statements as a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It’s all very nice on the surface, but has the hurtful implication that LGBT people be denied the ability to live their lives like any other non-LGBT person.

 

[maximus]

OK I’ll give you the pedophile stat, I was wrong. But, according to the CPIU 97% of pedophiles are male, but only 25% of the victims are boys. I’m sorry. What I might have meant is that I don’t think it’s homophobic to be “creeped out” by homosexuals, I think it is normal. And I suspect a lot of people who say they are accepting of homosexuality really aren’t. More likely they are respecting privacy and or liberty, which is quite different.

Did you read the article in crisis magazine or the Catholic Catechism on the subject?

I believe what you say is truth, many people are very supportive with SS partnerships as long it is not their own children engaging in the behavior. These people are the ones who make jokes of their gay co-workers yet support all their activities. My experience is those of us who support the traditional view of marriage rarely never joke around about these types of relationships.

I need to remember the name of the politician who said that those who support the traditional view of marriage need to be punished for holding those views.

God bless

 

[Corki]

Fear is a perfectly normal response to the unknown and unfamiliar, no doubt about it. And homophobia (phobia=fear of) is a kind of fear that be be overcome through understanding.

Fear is also the reasonable reaction to the known but harmful. I fear getting cancer, not because it is unknown or unfamiliar, but precisely BECAUSE of my knowledge and familiarity with cancer.

While I certainly wouldn’t claim that homophobia doesn’t exist, it’s occurance is extremely rare. I have never met anyone who actually suffers from homophobia and have never even heard of anyone with that disorder in real life. As far as I can tell, it’s a made-up boogie man that is intended to scare people into silence.

For those who really do suffer from phobias, homophobia included, repeated exposure can sometimes be an effective therapy. However, it should not be attempted except under the direction of a trained mental health professional.

But let’s please return to the topic. The CFA situation has nothing whatsover to do with fear, let alone homophobia.

 

[lutherlic]

Living,

I suggest that you consider the Chik-fil-A association with Dominionism…good food…good food and then execution by the Dominionists. They are similar to Hobby Lobby in their Protestant/Domionionsit bent…

talk2action.org/story/2007/8/23/142836/277

Check this site out too

jessicajewettonline.com/chick-fil-as-links-to-dominionism-and-anti-gay-agendas

Was not the Little Red riding hood fooled by a wolf in sheeps clothing…happening again I believe…Chicken is Chicken…

These links point to VERY suspect content.

In the case of “jessicajewettonline.com”, her about page describes her as:

Jessica Jewett is an author, artist and a spiritual intuitive, or often referred to as a psychic medium.

In the case of “www.talk2action.org”, they describe themselves as:

Statement of Purpose: Talk to Action is a platform for reporting on, learning about, and analyzing and discussing the religious right – and what to do about it.

This should be enough for readers here to understand where they are coming from and that they are not going to be fans of Christian marriage nor anyone who supports it such as Chick-fil-A.

Glancing over their claims I see a lot which is very suspicious and not worth the time to shoot down one-by-one. Chick-fil-A supports my parish which is an odd thing to do if they are as described in the articles.

Bottom line: these are liberal blogs working against the shared Christian values of the Catholic Church and this business.

Support Chick-fil-A. Wednesday, August 1st is Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day. Go there for breakfast, lunch and/or dinner. Take the family. Use the drive-thru. Do not let those dedicated to the intolerant, homosexual agenda make an example out of them for simply supporting true marriage.

 

[migueltojose]

I believe what you say is truth, many people are very supportive with SS partnerships as long it is not their own children engaging in the behavior. These people are the ones who make jokes of their gay co-workers yet support all their activities. My experience is those of us who support the traditional view of marriage rarely never joke around about these types of relationships.

I need to remember the name of the politician who said that those who support the traditional view of marriage need to be punished for holding those views.

God bless

Thanks. I agree. I am not homophobic. I can empathize with the homosexual issue. I don’t condone homosexual practice. (Refer to the Catechism). Hate the sin, love the sinner. However, I prefer to keep my distance. 51% is a majority, 66% is a super majority. Specifically defined gender is near 100%. People who believe they are homosexual may be 2-7%. Hopefully practicing homosexuals are less then that. Of courese they are marginalized. By definition they are marginalized. Are we supposed to ignore reality, let alone truth.

 

[andrewstx]

These links point to VERY suspect content.

In the case of “jessicajewettonline.com”, her about page describes her as:

In the case of “www.talk2action.org”, they describe themselves as:

This should be enough for readers here to understand where they are coming from and that they are not going to be fans of Christian marriage nor anyone who supports it such as Chick-fil-A.

Glancing over their claims I see a lot which is very suspicious and not worth the time to shoot down one-by-one. Chick-fil-A supports my parish which is an odd thing to do if they are as described in the articles.

Bottom line: these are liberal blogs working against the shared Christian values of the Catholic Church and this business.

Support Chick-fil-A. Wednesday, August 1st is Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day. Go there for breakfast, lunch and/or dinner. Take the family. Use the drive-thru. Do not let those dedicated to the intolerant, homosexual agenda make an example out of them for simply supporting true marriage.

While Copic may have chosen better sources the, there are plenty of other sites that descibe dominionism with out the unusual bias of these two.

Chick fil a is owned by a Southern Baptist, they do not agree that Catholics are even Christian unless they abandon their Catholic baptism (which means nothing according to them) they will accept Catolics as Christian when and if they “get saved” and are rebaptised by total submersion.

The Catholic church shares little with these people, and if the domionists succeed thre US will be run by the OT law, the constituion will be discarded. Under the law sassy children will be executed,along with sassy wives, children will be chattel of their parents. And of course all homosexuals will be stoned. Oh and Catholic churches will be demolished, and the memebers and clergy will also be slaughterd as “idolators”.