MERGED: Excited about the new translation/Countdown/New Translation 11/27

[Paxvobis]

I’m very excited about the new translation.

At my Ordinary Form parish we do the Gloria and the Sanctus in Latin anyway, so nothing will change for me there. Nevertheless, the new Collects, Secrets, and Postcommunions are so much more theologically dense than they were before. You can see the ones for Advent and Christmastide here.

 

[Phemie]

Other than that the Roman Missal didn’t arrive in time and Fr. celebrated using photocopies, things went reasonably well. By the third ‘And with your spirit’ people seemed to have caught on.

Strangely, we were instructed to stand for the entire EP, apparently that’s what the entire diocese has been instructed to do. I’m hoping Fr. simply misunderstood – English is not his first language, but since he’s a canon lawyer you’d think he’d know.

 

[Brendan]

It just sounds new to me on how it is said. The difference is “Blessed is his Holy name” and “bless you God” like we are doing the blessing on God.

His Holy name is Blessed but how can man bless God? Can lay people bless the priest? It is a small thing but sounds not right to me. Oh well.

All creation blesses the Lord.

We can see that in the Cantitle of Daniel.

Daniel 3:57-88, 56 (Canticle)

Bless the Lord, all you works of the Lord
Praise and exalt Him above all forever
Angels of the Lord bless the Lord.
You heavens, bles the Lord
All you waters above the heavens, bless the Lord
All you hosts of the Lord, Bless the Lord
Sun and Moon, Bless the Lord
Stars of heaven, bless the Lord.
Every shower and dew, bless the Lord.
All you winds, bless the Lord
Fire and Heat, bless the Lord

Cold and chill, bless the Lord
Dew and rain, bless the Lord
Frost and chill, bless the Lord
Ice and Snow, bless the Lord
Nights and days, bless the Lord
Light and darkness, bless the Lord
Lightings and clouds, bless the Lord

Let the earth bless the Lord
Praise and exalt Him above all forever.

Mountains and hills, bless the Lord
Everything growing from the earth, bless the Lord
You sprints, bless the Lord
Seas and rivers, bless the Lord
You dolphins and all water creatures, bless the Lord
All you birds of the air, bless the Lord.
All you beasts, wild and tame, bless the Lord
You sons of men, bless the Lord.

O Israel, bless the Lord
Praise and exalt Him above all forever.

Priests of the Lord, bless the Lord
Servants of the Lord, bless the Lord
Spirits and souls of the just, bless the Lord.
Holy men of humble heart, bless the Lord.
Hananiah, Azariah, Mishael, bless the Lord.

Praise and exalt Him above all forever. Blessed are you Lord, in the firmament of heaven. Praiseworthy and glorious and exalted above all forever.

This is the prayer Hananiah, Azariah, Mishael chanted while in the great furnace. Can any of us say that it is wrong?

 

[Paxvobis]

Other than that the Roman Missal didn’t arrive in time and Fr. celebrated using photocopies, things went reasonably well. By the third ‘And with your spirit’ people seemed to have caught on.

Strangely, we were instructed to stand for the entire EP, apparently that’s what the entire diocese has been instructed to do. I’m hoping Fr. simply misunderstood – English is not his first language, but since he’s a canon lawyer you’d think he’d know.

Outside of the United States it’s the norm to stand during the Eucharistic Prayer except for the consecration.

 

[Phemie]

Outside of the United States it’s the norm to stand during the Eucharistic Prayer except for the consecration.

We were instructed not to kneel during the Consecration.

 

[paperwight66]

Outside of the United States it’s the norm to stand during the Eucharistic Prayer except for the consecration.

I suppose it depends what you mean by ‘the consecration’. Do you mean the actual words of Consecration, or the long prayer that contains them? In the UK, we kneel from after the Sanctus until the Our Father.

 

[paperwight66]

We were instructed not to kneel during the Consecration.

Oh dear! I think that would distress me greatly.

 

[Phemie]

I suppose it depends what you mean by ‘the consecration’. Do you mean the actual words of Consecration, or the long prayer that contains them? In the UK, we kneel from after the Sanctus until the Our Father.

The universal GIRM only requires kneeling for the Consecration, not for the entire Eucharistic Prayer.

In actual practice parishes vary from not kneeling at all to kneeling for the entire EP and everything in between: from after the Sanctus to the Amen; from after the Epiclesis to the Memorial Acclamation; from after the Sanctus to the Memorial Acclamation, etc.

 

[Irishgal49]

I think that revealing this unpleasant fact is not a bad thing. I wouldn’t call the mass crippled but the translation has been seriously inaccurate. People should understand that in order to fully appreciate the new translation. I believe the result of this will be very positive.

That said, I am very excited about the new translation.

Our church did pretty good with 1/2 the people saying, “And also with you” including me once. A lot of paper flipping, confusion, but overall not too bad.

I know for me, it’s not about Latin, it’s not about translation, it’s not about anything close to that. I wish it was…it’s about EMOTION…it’s about the way the former translation became a part of my heart…it spoke to my crippling anxiety disorder (Lord free us from all anxiety…) and it spoke to my scrupulosity (Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed) and I miss those EXACT words.

I participated in every word of mass today even though everything in me rebelled and didn’t want to…my hurt, my anger, my sense of loss of words that have become 2nd nature to me, and my feelings of confusion were offered up to God as I tried with all my heart to participate.

The Eucharistic prayers are detailed in my Sunday Missal but they seem too flowery, wordy and “fancy” for me to relate to…but it’s only been one mass.

I attend mass daily so I will be hearing it over and over but I came home and was a little tearful. I dare say much objection is attachment, emotional response, and fear. I feel these feelings too. I wish I could say that “all is well” but it is not right now and I just pray the changes speak to me even 1/2 as much at the former translation. If that happens, I will be fine with it.

The church was breathtakingly decorated for Advent, we have such a beautiful Advent wreath, and purple draped everywhere–since purple also happens to be my favorite color it was cheering me up to see that today.

I pray that somehow I can work this out within my own soul…for me it’s a personal and a deep issue as I am highly protective of what draws me closer to my Lord. I left feeling like I’d “met my obligation” but no feeling of closeness to the Lord at all. It takes time for me to change. If I jumped on it with gusto I’d wonder…for me it doesn’t happen that way. I wonder if some objections are really about this…the emotional attachment. I wonder if others are afraid to talk about feelings since people shoot people down about that, but we are human, and these things can be emotional, maybe that’s where some of the objections came from…I just returned to the faith after 11 years–come from a badly abusive childhood, I just want to be at home and while I know I still am, it’s just not the same…not yet.

 

[RobbyS]

Our church did pretty good with 1/2 the people saying, “And also with you” including me once. A lot of paper flipping, confusion, but overall not too bad.

I know for me, it’s not about Latin, it’s not about translation, it’s not about anything close to that. I wish it was…it’s about EMOTION…it’s about the way the former translation became a part of my heart…it spoke to my crippling anxiety disorder (Lord free us from all anxiety…) and it spoke to my scrupulosity (Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed) and I miss those EXACT words.

I participated in every word of mass today even though everything in me rebelled and didn’t want to…my hurt, my anger, my sense of loss of words that have become 2nd nature to me, and my feelings of confusion were offered up to God as I tried with all my heart to participate.

The Eucharistic prayers are detailed in my Sunday Missal but they seem too flowery, wordy and “fancy” for me to relate to…but it’s only been one mass.

I attend mass daily so I will be hearing it over and over but I came home and was a little tearful. I dare say much objection is attachment, emotional response, and fear. I feel these feelings too. I wish I could say that “all is well” but it is not right now and I just pray the changes speak to me even 1/2 as much at the former translation. If that happens, I will be fine with it.

The church was breathtakingly decorated for Advent, we have such a beautiful Advent wreath, and purple draped everywhere–since purple also happens to be my favorite color it was cheering me up to see that today.

I pray that somehow I can work this out within my own soul…for me it’s a personal and a deep issue as I am highly protective of what draws me closer to my Lord. I left feeling like I’d “met my obligation” but no feeling of closeness to the Lord at all. It takes time for me to change. If I jumped on it with gusto I’d wonder…for me it doesn’t happen that way. I wonder if some objections are really about this…the emotional attachment. I wonder if others are afraid to talk about feelings since people shoot people down about that, but we are human, and these things can be emotional, maybe that’s where some of the objections came from…I just returned to the faith after 11 years–come from a badly abusive childhood, I just want to be at home and while I know I still am, it’s just not the same…not yet.

You had gotten used to the words. For those of us old enough to remember the fifties and sixties, we had the same experience before. Younger people forget that little concession was made to the old, to have their whole worship changed suddenly. Words, devotions, and more --all changed in an instant, so to speak, all because of the impatience of the reformers. They took only five years. The Reformer of the Reform has taken twenty. The Holy Father has spoken many times of the hastiness of it all. The shock was not unlike that felt by Catholics during the reforms institution by Archbishop Cranmer after Henry VIII broke with Rome. Unlike them, however, we are inured to rapid change–to a degree. But a sharp turn always leaves people unbalanced. But every turn is felt: that is the way we are constituted.

 

[YoungCanRCMale]

Well everyone, since I’m part of CA forums as well, I’m posting my experience here too.

Coming up to the new mass, I was filled with excitement and curiosity. I’ve seen countdowns for the new translation and read many interesting things from blogs on the blogosphere (Yours, Catholic Knight, Fr. Z, …), got a series of handouts from the internet from my archdiocese that explained the translations, an app from Cale Clarke called “The New Mass” for Iphone (which has a more biblical explanation of the changes for Why’s), and a pew card for the new responses.

So what happened when I got to my parish? The same old usual. Same old procession, same old 4 sandwich hymns from our current Parish only hymnal (not Gather thankfully!), Homily, consecration, etc. Though it was cool to hear the new eucharistic prayer and collect said in more formal English (like hearing the words Chalice and “for many” that was great!). Reflecting on the Mass, I didn’t feel at all elevated in soul and body. I felt like it didn’t do what it was being touted to do by everyone, the blogosphere, the diocese, etc. Were it not for my lectoring and a decent homily by my priest who usually goes far out into academia land (as he was/is involved in teaching and committees in the Church so that’s his audience 85% of the time), It would have been even more saddening. Personally for me it was a let down. While I know what the Mass is about as the re-presentation of the Sacrifice on Calvary, it seems I’ll just have to get used to it and let it become part of my normal routine to sweep my liturgical doldrums away.

There is a few small gems though out of it today. I helped an older lady in her 40’s once with the responses and the pew card. I saw a young elementary school boy and his mother do a simple/moderate bow before receiving the Eucharist. Also, I gained an even further appreciation for the TLM, for even a simple low Mass would have seemed better for me today.

 

[iloveangels]

Outside of the United States it’s the norm to stand during the Eucharistic Prayer except for the consecration.

Not so. Outside the US (Spain, France, etc), the behavior of people in mass isn’t very regimented. Americans are kind of nuts on the topic of posture. And now I see Canadians are too. It must be catching. :whacky:

The Vatican has caught onto this peculiarity of ours and newer directions from Rome are more specific because they think we need it, presumably because we have no piety or common sense maybe. [And also because our rebels use it against us and the Holy See is catching on…]

 

[iloveangels]

We were instructed not to kneel during the Consecration.

What you have there is some retribution for the new translations.

 

[iloveangels]

Our church did pretty good with 1/2 the people saying, “And also with you” including me once. A lot of paper flipping, confusion, but overall not too bad.

I know for me, it’s not about Latin, it’s not about translation, it’s not about anything close to that. I wish it was…it’s about EMOTION…it’s about the way the former translation became a part of my heart…it spoke to my crippling anxiety disorder (Lord free us from all anxiety…) and it spoke to my scrupulosity (Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed) and I miss those EXACT words.

I participated in every word of mass today even though everything in me rebelled and didn’t want to…my hurt, my anger, my sense of loss of words that have become 2nd nature to me, and my feelings of confusion were offered up to God as I tried with all my heart to participate.

The Eucharistic prayers are detailed in my Sunday Missal but they seem too flowery, wordy and “fancy” for me to relate to…but it’s only been one mass.

I attend mass daily so I will be hearing it over and over but I came home and was a little tearful. I dare say much objection is attachment, emotional response, and fear. I feel these feelings too. I wish I could say that “all is well” but it is not right now and I just pray the changes speak to me even 1/2 as much at the former translation. If that happens, I will be fine with it.

The church was breathtakingly decorated for Advent, we have such a beautiful Advent wreath, and purple draped everywhere–since purple also happens to be my favorite color it was cheering me up to see that today.

I pray that somehow I can work this out within my own soul…for me it’s a personal and a deep issue as I am highly protective of what draws me closer to my Lord. I left feeling like I’d “met my obligation” but no feeling of closeness to the Lord at all. It takes time for me to change. If I jumped on it with gusto I’d wonder…for me it doesn’t happen that way. I wonder if some objections are really about this…the emotional attachment. I wonder if others are afraid to talk about feelings since people shoot people down about that, but we are human, and these things can be emotional, maybe that’s where some of the objections came from…I just returned to the faith after 11 years–come from a badly abusive childhood, I just want to be at home and while I know I still am, it’s just not the same…not yet.

Your post is very honest and heart-felt. Yes, once we know the words, they become prayers. But don’t worry, this new translation will become your prayer too, more and more, as you start to repeat it, and the Lord is always there. He hasn’t left you and He never will. It’s going to be okay.

PS, I like the purple of Advent too.