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I cringe every time I see that we are singing a song from the 1960s to current times.
I feel the same.
We use the CBW III. There seems to be precious little traditional music in it … or maybe that is just the choice of the choir directors.

[One thing I hate is the way the words get ‘updated’ for no apparent reason. Sometimes I see it is done to make it gender-[-]nuetered/-]neutral. Sometimes it seems that the words change simply to make a hymn “new and improved”. That results in me singing one of my old favourites at the top of my lungs only to find the choir and congregation are singing different words. That happened just this Sunday with “Lift High the Cross”.]
 
I feel the same.
We use the CBW III. There seems to be precious little traditional music in it … or maybe that is just the choice of the choir directors.

[One thing I hate is the way the words get ‘updated’ for no apparent reason. Sometimes I see it is done to make it gender-[-]nuetered/-]neutral. Sometimes it seems that the words change simply to make a hymn “new and improved”. That results in me singing one of my old favourites at the top of my lungs only to find the choir and congregation are singing different words. That happened just this Sunday with “Lift High the Cross”.]
This has happened to me with songs such as “Joy to the World” and “Ode to Joy”…I never open the hymnal for songs that I think I know, and lo, I am loudly unprepared for the neutered version.
 
Sometimes the music looks too difficult to attempt a cappella, other times it may be a song that I hate. If I don’t sing the hymns selected, have I failed to participate fully in the Mass?
Participating in Mass simply means attending Mass.
 
Actually, the GIRM, which is the current instruction for worship in the Roman Rite, does require that all the congregation at an OF Mass participate in singing…
Well, since we’re not trying to be cheerful, but just talk about ‘rules’, here’s what the GIRM (‘General Instruction on the Roman Missal’) says:
96. Moreover, [the faithful] are to form one body, whether in hearing the Word of God, or in taking part in the prayers and in the singing, or above all by the common offering of the Sacrifice and by participating together at the Lord’s table. This unity is beautifully apparent from the gestures and bodily postures observed together by the faithful.”
So, I think that it’s fair to say that the GIRM envisions that the congregation will be praying and singing. However, that’s not to say that it mandates it, per se.
Posted by Gorgias here in Do We Have to Sing Along During Mass?[CAF].

You will notice that almost all celebrating priests attempt to join in every hymn, or at least appear to be joining in. This is because they understand this symbol of unity.

The instructions previously posted in this thread obviously relate to the Mass before Vatican II (and may apply to the EF). The discipline has changed.

I wouldn’t say that not singing with the rest of the congregation is the worst liturgical abuse, but it is contrary to the intentions of the OF.

I have heard people who can’t hold a tune join in as well as they can and their singing, is to me, even more pleasing to hear than good singing.

When people don’t sing they encourage others not to sing, as anyone who is not confident of their voice becomes self-conscious.

If you only sing the hymns you like, then others will only sing hymns they like. And there are plenty of people who don’t like chant and traditional hymns. Would they be entitled to just stay silent while a minority of the congregation sang “Tantum Ergo” just because they don’t like it?

However the music ministers also have an obligation to select hymns which the congregation can sing and enjoy. Too often they seem to delight in avoiding avoiding familiar hymns and imposing tuneless novelties.
 
I sing, but I bet the tot sitting in the pew behind me has a better voice. I don’t have a voice for song, and cannot project my voice much anyway, but I do put it out there. The hymns and psalms are symbol of the unity of and in faith by those in attendance. At mass, We are one body, in Heaven, with our Lord - this becomes so through the intermingling of the divine and the concrete - What Happens at Mass
 
Sit closer to the front. People seem to sing louder up there which makes mass more enjoyable
 
Sometimes the music looks too difficult to attempt a cappella, other times it may be a song that I hate. If I don’t sing the hymns selected, have I failed to participate fully in the Mass?
Listening, singing and responding are acts of participation throughout the celebration of the Mass. Your whole being must be at peace with the whole celebration. Then you definitely know you are fully participating in the celebration.
In Christ and Mary
 
I did a search and I saw this was covered extensively in 2009 but apparently some things don’t change.

I do not like to sing at Mass. I don’t like the hymns usually unless they are traditional ones I’ve known forever and I have a terrible voice. No one sings so it’s not like I can sing and not be heard.

And the singing or chanting is encompassing more and more of the service. You would think that whoever is responsible for the music would notice it’s not a big hit and cut back not add more. But no, we sing every verse. We chant the Lord’s Prayer. Now, we’re chanting “Lord have mercy” for the intercessions too.

I love the Lord’s prayer. Who doesn’t? I completely lose track with the dirge like chant that is sooo slooooow. Now, I just say it in my head.

I’ve also started leaving after Communion. This started for a legitimate reason. I cannot drive in the dark. It isn’t dark anymore.

But I’m tired of sitting through the announcements which is basically someone reading the entire bulletin and then the priest coming out to ask if we have any visitors, birthdays or anniversaries. Individually and we have to hear where everyone is from and when the birthday or anniversary is and joke and applaud.

Everyone seems totally bored by this too.

So I’m a bad Catholic, I guess. I’ve been trying to just accept it as it’s the only church I can go to.

But this is Lent and it is my favorite liturgical season and I no longer even want to go to Mass. I want there to be another church I can choose where it is more solemn and holy and my mind isn’t constantly wandering to the grocery shopping list.

Last Sunday during the homily the priest said that lapsed Catholics just didn’t wake up and decide one day to not go to church but that it was a gradual process. As a lapsed Catholic, I know that is true and it scares me. I also know I somehow have to just accept the service without sitting there with some huge resentment because really why am I in church if I feel like that.

Any insights or suggestions?
 
Just recite the Mass parts that you don’t want to sing quietly to yourself. When I get bored or distracted at Mass I try to recite an Our Father or Hail Mary in my head and just stay focused on that. I think if you find the announcements tiresome that would be a beneficial use of your time.

The way I see it is Jesus gave me everything- the least I can give him is one hour of my time a week (even if it is tedious sometimes…).

Also, if you leave Mass early you miss the final blessing and the graces bestowed through it. This is what keeps me going through the sometimes endless announcements at my parish… It is a blessing to be blessed and I don’t want to miss it!

Hope this helps… You’ll be in my prayers today! 🙂
 
Actually, the GIRM, which is the current instruction for worship in the Roman Rite, does require that all the congregation at an OF Mass participate in singing…

Posted by Gorgias here in Do We Have to Sing Along During Mass?[CAF].

You will notice that almost all celebrating priests attempt to join in every hymn, or at least appear to be joining in. This is because they understand this symbol of unity.

The instructions previously posted in this thread obviously relate to the Mass before Vatican II (and may apply to the EF). The discipline has changed.

I wouldn’t say that not singing with the rest of the congregation is the worst liturgical abuse, but it is contrary to the intentions of the OF.

I have heard people who can’t hold a tune join in as well as they can and their singing, is to me, even more pleasing to hear than good singing.

When people don’t sing they encourage others not to sing, as anyone who is not confident of their voice becomes self-conscious.

If you only sing the hymns you like, then others will only sing hymns they like. And there are plenty of people who don’t like chant and traditional hymns. Would they be entitled to just stay silent while a minority of the congregation sang “Tantum Ergo” just because they don’t like it?

However the music ministers also have an obligation to select hymns which the congregation can sing and enjoy. Too often they seem to delight in avoiding avoiding familiar hymns and imposing tuneless novelties.
Actually what you quoted does NOT say we are required to take part in the singing. Read the sentence again carefully. See the word “or” which I underlined.

"96. Moreover, [the faithful] are to form one body, whether in hearing the Word of God, or in taking part in the prayers and in the singing, or above all by the common offering of the Sacrifice and by participating together at the Lord’s table. This unity is beautifully apparent from the gestures and bodily postures observed together by the faithful."
 
In our parish the entire Mass parts that are sung in a “high” Mass are sung at the 10 am service on Sunday but not the other Masses. I have several parishes within a close distance and can go to others which vary in what they sing. Over the last several years I have noticed changes like you have described and I decided some of it is to attract as many people as posibible to Church. One of the consistent complaints people from other faiths seem to voice about our services is how boring we can be. If you have ever been to the other churches with their praise and worship services this would help you see what I mean. I think that may be some of what the choir directors are trying to change to bring the music more lively and up to date. I only sing the old, familiar songs myself but it mostly has to do with the fate that I don’t know the new music. The priest reads the bulletin at the end of our service too and I feel like saying, “hey, I can read!” I never leave before the last hymn is sung but I do leave before the other stuff starts.
 
I do not like to sing at Mass. I don’t like the hymns…No one sings so it’s not like I can sing and not be heard.

You would think that whoever is responsible for the music would notice it’s not a big hit and cut back not add more. But no, we sing every verse. We chant the Lord’s Prayer. Now, we’re chanting “Lord have mercy” …

I love the Lord’s prayer. Who doesn’t? I completely lose track with the dirge like chant that is sooo slooooow. Now, I just say it in my head.

I’ve also started leaving after Communion.

But I’m tired of sitting through the announcements …

I no longer even want to go to Mass. I want there to be another church I can choose where it is more solemn and holy and my mind isn’t constantly wandering to the grocery shopping list.

I also know I somehow have to just accept the service without sitting there with some huge resentment because really why am I in church if I feel like that.
Hello Gone Astray,

You can find lots of people who will go along with you and be company for “I don’t like the songs, I don’t like the announcements, I don’t like…”

Or… you can focus on yourself and why God calls you to Mass for Him every Sunday.

Think of the time when people walked to Mass, when they had a very long fast before communion so probably hadn’t had food since dinner the night before, when people could not read, when they didn’t own a Bible, when they didn’t understand the Latin of the Mass. Look at the really old churches in Europe and imagine what it was like for those people to walk to Mass and sit there in a fairly dark church. The paintings on the wall, the statues in the church… helped to keep them from “thinking about their grocery list”.

Please don’t leave Mass after Communion. (Some people may have a true reason, but it sounds like you just are too bored to stay until the dismissal. If Mass timing conflicts with you being able to drive safely, what about a different Mass time?)

Maybe no one sings at Mass because “no one else sings”… so no one is ever going to join in.

What does your voice sound like to God when He hears you sing? Do you think He dislikes your voice? Do you think He wants the music director and priest to sing less because the parish doesn’t like singing lots of verses to Him or chanting the Mass prayers to Him?

Are you sure if you found a “holier” Mass that you still wouldn’t be thinking about your grocery list?

Refocus on your call to worship at Mass.

Ask God to help you refocus your heart to Him. It may take you awhile to get your focus off all the things you don’t like at Mass, but your heart will come back to the reason you are called to worship at Mass with your fellow parishioners.

Sometimes it helps to ask God to forgive us for failing to keep Him first and foremost at Mass or throughout our day. We can include that in our Confession.

You can prepare for Mass by reading the Mass Readings before attending. Before you leave for Mass and once you arrive in the church, pray to focus on Mass.

Focus on the prayer intentions and asking God to bless these intentions, instead of focusing on why you don’t like the chants. Join with the few people who are singing to God, instead of focusing on yourself and your voice.

Become involved in your parish besides attending Mass.

Keep your heart on God and the gifts He gives us through Holy Mass and the Sacraments. You will not lapse again.

You are in my prayers dear friend.
 
I don’t know if it’s possible to do so, but i’f i’m reading the OP right, he/she doesn’t like all of the parts of the Mass being sung or chanted. If i’m correct, have you tried to find a Parish close by were no parts of the Mass is sung or chanted?

I feel your pain because I try to watch Daily Mass on EWTN and with all of the various parts sung, chanted, or even the Lords Prayer not being recited in English, it’s very hard to follow.
 
I do not like to sing at Mass. I don’t like the hymns usually unless they are traditional ones I’ve known forever and I have a terrible voice. No one sings so it’s not like I can sing and not be heard.
Are there only one or two Sunday Masses at your parish? If there’s an early morning Mass, there is usually a lot less singing. But music is an integral part of the Mass, and not everyone is bored by it. My Dad always sings (not loudly) at Mass, and he is tone deaf. I have always admired him for it, even though I sing well (must’ve come from my mother!).
But I’m tired of sitting through the announcements which is basically someone reading the entire bulletin and then the priest coming out to ask if we have any visitors, birthdays or anniversaries. Individually and we have to hear where everyone is from and when the birthday or anniversary is and joke and applaud.
Well, to some extent, I can understand about reading the bulletin as announcements. This is because nobody (OK, very few people) ever reads the bulletin. If people read the bulletin, they wouldn’t have to have it read to them. But I find that large (like legal-size paper-size, not enormous! 🙂 ) signs for upcoming events posted in the narthex or on the doors of the church also work. Maybe you could suggest this?

The visitors, birthdays, and anniversaries thing is something I’ve never see anywhere. The visitor call, I have seen in Protestant churches, but never birthdays and anniversaries. It could probably be shortened without its primary purpose being lost by just having visitors raise their hands and asking those around them to make sure they feel welcome. (Personally, I would rather rip my hair out than have a bunch of people staring at me and asking me where I’m from and that, but I’m shy in new places. But I would be more likely to just raise my hand and chat with the people around me.) For birthdays and anniversaries, maybe just a weekly call for those people to come up to the priest after Mass for a blessing?

It’s all very well for people here to say you have to grin and bear it, and maybe it will turn out that you have to do just that, but before that, you could ask to talk to the priest and make some suggestions.

If it keeps going on like that, rather than leave early, I’d whip out my Rosary and start it in Christ’s presence in the tabernacle.
But this is Lent and it is my favorite liturgical season and I no longer even want to go to Mass. I want there to be another church I can choose where it is more solemn and holy and my mind isn’t constantly wandering to the grocery shopping list.
I have to say that I’ve never heard chanting the Our Father referred to as not solemn or holy before!

When I first came back to the Churct, I went to a parish where I hated the music. I mean, out of the four hymns in the “hymn sandwich,” maybe I would like one of them. Plus I was in the choir (because it usually ends up that way), which meant rehearsing the hymns as well as singing them at Mass. Eventually I did find another parish with music I love, but I stuck it out at that first parish for six years. So I know about grinning and bearing it. 🙂 Here are some suggestions:
  1. Pray. During the Mass, I mean. So many times I can remember praying, “Please, Lord, please let me just get through this Mass without sinning any more. Please let me concentrate on you and not on resenting the fact that we are singing that hymn again. Please grant me your peace.”
  2. Try to sing the hymns that you can. They go faster if you are singing them, even if just quietly.
  3. For the hymns you just can’t manage, open up the missalette or whatever is there and reflect on the readings for the day. Read them over, think about how they are connected, picture them in your mind, and so forth.
  4. If the tabernacle is visible in your church, gaze on it and think of Jesus staying there to bless us. Think of the great love He is showing by being there for us.
  5. (Outside of Mass!) Get a book on the Mass. I particularly liked Scott Hahn’s “The Lamb’s Supper,” but there are other good ones. It helps make the repeated parts of Mass more interesting.
I also know I somehow have to just accept the service without sitting there with some huge resentment because really why am I in church if I feel like that.
Because you are obeying God.

Of course it’s best if you go to Mass because you love it. The absolute best is going because you love going, without noticing whether you like the music or not. (I never quite managed it, but it was something to strive for. 🙂 ) But there is a great value in going even if you hate it, especially if you are actively trying to hate it less. Going to Mass because you love God, and “If ye love me, keep my commandments” (which BTW is a Tallis piece I’m happy to see in any Mass), has value in itself. So you don’t get to let yourself off the hook and say “Well, I’m not doing any good going in this mood, so I’ll just stay home,” which is something I used to try to fool myself with a lot when I was going to Protestant churches, which don’t have rules about these things. 😃

God bless you!

–Jen
 
Actually what you quoted does NOT say we are required to take part in the singing. Read the sentence again carefully. See the word “or” which I underlined.

"96. Moreover, [the faithful] are to form one body, whether in hearing the Word of God, or in taking part in the prayers and in the singing, or above all by the common offering of the Sacrifice and by participating together at the Lord’s table. This unity is beautifully apparent from the gestures and bodily postures observed together by the faithful."
I agree with your conclusion, but not with your reason. 🙂 I think the paragraph cited just doesn’t relate to whether people must sing or not. I don’t think the “or” has anything to do with it, unless someone thinks you get to choose between hearing the Word of God and taking part in the prayers. You don’t. If you can hear, you need to hear the Word of God, and you’re suppposed to take part in the people’s prayers. (And there could be a good case made out about how you need to join in the singing of the prayers, like the Agnus Dei, but I don’t feel like making it now. It would be a lot harder to make out a case for having to sing any hymns, and I’m not sure it could be done.)

More simply what it seems to be saying is, “Form one body, whatever you’re doing in Mass at the moment. If you’re performing the same gestures and using the same postures, this is a great sign of your all being one body.”

I’m not saying there is nothing relevant in th GIRM, because I haven’t memorized it. But that passage does not seem to be relevant either way.

–Jen
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. I really felt better when I heard other people felt as I do. I thought I must be this horrible person. And even if nobody else sings then maybe they like listening to the cantor and priest sing.

I love gospel music. That is making a joyful noise to the Lord. I’m not sure why Catholics have to sing everything like a dirge. It may not be appropriate during Lent to sing happy hymns but at this church they can make Go Tell It on the Mountain sound like a funeral march during Christmas season.

I’ve never been to another church where they do the birthday/anniversary/visitor thing either. It’s some kind of local custom apparently. I’ve only been going to this church for a few years. Lapsed Catholic.

Our priest isn’t user friendly or I would talk to him. 🙂 Besides it may be the whole congregation really enjoys recognizing people and applauding them.
 
Actually what you quoted does NOT say we are required to take part in the singing. Read the sentence again carefully. See the word “or” which I underlined.

"96. Moreover, [the faithful] are to form one body, whether in hearing the Word of God, or in taking part in the prayers and in the singing, or above all by the common offering of the Sacrifice and by participating together at the Lord’s table. This unity is beautifully apparent from the gestures and bodily postures observed together by the faithful."
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us

[2 Thess 2:15, NASB]
 
I think that if you don’t like a particular song or hymn then it is best to not sing it. That way you show the priest, the music ministers, and the rest of the congregation that you don’t like it. They WILL notice (I assure you) and they might change the hymns selected. Of course, if others in the congregation don’t sing the hymns YOU like, then you should respect their choice…

We should use our participation, or non-participation, throughout the Mass to express our opinion of any part of it.

The gloria? If you only like it sung, then keep quiet when it’s spoken.
  • Plainchant? If you like guitars and drums, then opt out.
  • Modern polyphony? Not your cup of tea? Again, opt out.
  • The passing of the peace? Too feely touch for you? Just look straight ahead and ignore those around you.
  • You don’t agree with Father’s homilies? Then read something more spiritual while he’s talking,…
etc.

You will eventually get what you want.
 
GIRM, #96. Moreover, they are to form one body, whether in hearing the Word of God, or in taking part in the prayers and in the singing, or above all by the common offering of the Sacrifice and by participating together at the Lord’s table. This unity is beautifully apparent from the gestures and bodily postures observed together by the faithful.

More simply what it seems to be saying is, “Form one body, whatever you’re doing in Mass at the moment. If you’re performing the same gestures and using the same postures, this is a great sign of your all being one body.”
I go along with this, with some clarification.

Firstly, it should be noted that item 96 in the GIRM is an instruction to the faithful, which is to be fulfilled by each member of the congregation. It is not just, for example, an exhortation or hopeful vision. It is also a statement both of principle (ie. that the faithful form one body) and of practice. Each of us is instructed to unite ourselves in listening, praying and singing with the rest of the congregation.

If, when the congregation is singing, everyone appears to be singing (ie. is using singing gestures), whether or not they are actually singing, then they have (mostly) fulfilled this instruction. However, if some choose to visibly not sing, while others are singing, then the visible and perceived unity of the body is disrupted.

Have you ever been in a congregation where the music minister or priest invites the congregation to sing, and then you start singing and find that you are the only voice within 5 metres? Do you then wonder whether it is yourself that is being disruptive, or the others, and whether you should keep singing with the cantor (or choir), or stop singing, and leave him on his own? I have been in a congregation where a cantor with no ear started the singing, and was left on her own, because the few voices which started with her chickened out. After this experience she refused to take this role again. (I was prevented from singing on that occasion by being involved in another ministry). Is this disunity in conflict with item 96 (cited) in the GIRM?

Still, while using singing gestures fulfils item 96 minimally, it is much better if all make some attempt at singing out loud. Once again, to me there is more beauty in poor singers making some effort than in good singers singing well. The widow’s mite comes to mind.

I don’t know all of the GIRM either, but I can locate item 96 in the context of the whole of the instructions to the faithful (link).

II. The Functions of the People of God
  1. In the celebration of Mass the faithful form a holy people, a people of God’s own possession and a royal Priesthood, so that they may give thanks to God and offer the unblemished sacrificial Victim not only by means of the hands of the Priest but also together with him and so that they may learn to offer their very selves.[82] They should, moreover, take care to show this by their deep religious sense and their charity toward brothers and sisters who participate with them in the same celebration.
**They are consequently to avoid any appearance of singularity or division, keeping in mind that they have only one Father in heaven and that hence are all brothers or sisters one to the other.
  1. Moreover, they are to form one body, whether in hearing the Word of God, or in taking part in the prayers and in the singing, or above all by the common offering of the Sacrifice and by participating together at the Lord’s table. This unity is beautifully apparent from the gestures and bodily postures observed together by the faithful.**
  2. The faithful, moreover, should not refuse to serve the People of God in gladness whenever they are asked to perform some particular service or function in the celebration.
[End of Section II]

There is also, in Chapter II: The Structure Of The Mass, Its Elements, And Its Parts.

The Importance of Singing
  1. The Christian faithful who come together as one in expectation of the Lord’s coming are instructed by the Apostle Paul to sing together Psalms, hymns, and spiritual canticles (cf. Col 3:16). Singing is the sign of the heart’s joy (cf. Acts 2:46). Thus St. Augustine says rightly, “Singing is for one who loves,”[48] and there is also an ancient proverb: “Whoever sings well prays twice over.”

    [continued]
 
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