Merged: Man Claims to be Jesus/Jesus Has Returned! Woo-hoo!

[BebedeJesus]

Actually, How do you know that HE is Jesus? What made you follow him?
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I KNOW HE is Jesus b-cuz Paul had been telling us all along.

For example, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:10, that ANOTHER buildeth upon the foundation he had laid.
And in Romans 2:16, he states: In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men BY JESUS CHRIST according to my gospel. It clearly states it would be Jesus Christ. So, the OTHER is Jesus Christ Himself and he would judge according to PAUL’S gospel not the other apostles. Then, in Romans 16:25-26, again Paul states that HE that has power to stablish us according to his (Paul’s) gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ: Jesus of Nazareth NEVER preached…he just told them paraboles which he told his disciples, he did this so they wouldn’t understand (it wasn’t the right time). So, whom is this Jesus Christ’s preaching? The only person that has taught Paul’s gospel and this w/out mixing Judaism (Peter, John, James etc…) is Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda. No one else understood what had been written. What I have just shared w/ u is how we came to the conclusion that He is God but previous to that what He taught gave us the hint that He was the only one speaking of these things. He’s been teaching Paul’s gospel f/ 20 years. And he didn’t self proclaim HIMSELF God…the congregation knew this and He wouldn’t tell us who He was.
So, like a thief in the night He was among us w/out knowing it until God started revealing it to us slowly but surely.

He has been portray so opposite of who He is. I am not just one of the “masses” I have known Him long enough to know that He would not do that to God’s church.

Of course, since this is something people don’t understand and since there have been sooooo many false prophets, we are called a cult. And that is fine. In due time all will come to light.

The BEST day!

 

[BebedeJesus]

For the record though, what would happen if authorities decide to execute this guy?
Will he rise up from the dead?
Will there be an earthquake at his death?
Will he be given vinegar to drink?
Will he be crucified JW-style or Traditional style?
Will a rich guy offer his tomb for his use? (Oh wait a minute, he’s already rich)
Will his mother and friend come and see him?
Will his executioners gamble for his possessions?
Will he have a placard above his head saying ‘Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda of (wherever he is from), who is actually Jesus of Nazareth, The King of the Jews and whatever nationality, Founder of Christianity, Lord and Savior for billions of people, Rabbi, Miracle Worker, Teacher, Word made Flesh, Begotten of the Father, Lamb of God’’?
(Come to think of it, that would be a HUGE placard.)

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

P.S. (If the placard is made in three languages, it would be bigger, as big as the Billboards down on the street. I only wonder what type of font he prefers on his placard.)

You do realize that He wasn’t coming back w/ the same mission or same purpose!? The Bible says that He was coming w/out relation to sin. Why would He then go through the same thing He did back then??? He consumed it all…IT’S DONE!! One offering NO MORE!

The BEST day!

 

[BebedeJesus]

Jesus is supposed to return to judge the living and the dead right?
So, where did the Anti-Christ go?

U R sooooo right! He is supposed to judge the living and the dead and so he is: judging is taking information and dividing it explaining it…understanding the facts or better yet teaching others what the facts r…isn’t that basically what a judge does? Well, He is…the living and the dead are right now listening and learning from the JUDGE. So, I think that whole rapture theory is blown to smitherings cuz then the dead and living wouldn’t be judged and the whole JUDGEMENT DAY…all scare tactics

Now, the Anti Christ: this is my favorite one…in Hebrews 6:1-2 Paul states that we have to LEAVE the doctrine of Christ…that is Jesus of Nazareth… to go on to perfection.
So, if you follow Jesus of Nazareth’s doctrine you will NOT go onto perfection. That means we are to be AGAINST CHRIST:
aka ANTI CHRIST and yes, the Man Christ Jesus is the Anti Christ.
He is against Christ but soooooo FOR GOD! The only one that has given God the position of Almighty bcuz we respect the blood that was given and in that understanding we DON’T follow the Jewish belief instead we follow the One who was raised from the dead. We can’t be married to two husbands…or can we?? (Romans 7:1-4)

The BEST day!

 

[jmcrae]

what is a Cat scan?

It’s to see whether there is something the matter with your brain.

 

[jmcrae]

Bebe;

Did He descend from Heaven in the same manner in which He ascended? (Acts 1:11)

Is His body the same glorified body that He had after His resurrection, which can neither age nor experience disease? (Has He remained the same physical age, these 17 years?)

Does He bilocate, and pass through walls?

Are the marks of His crucifixion still present on His body?

 

[BebedeJesus]

This man isn’t Jesus, Jesus would never charge tons of money to see and hear him. He would be out with the sick and poor and the sinners, healing them and tending to them.
Jesus would never be reincarnated either. He rose into Heaven in the flesh. He will return that way.
And if there are no sins to be taken away anymore because he’s already paid for them, why are there so many atrocities going on? Why is there a war in Iraq, why are there terrorists, rapists, murderers, theifs, liars, bigots, whores, etc? If those aren’t sins still existing, I don’t know what is.

And if anyone has ever looked over some of the prophecies of Our Blessed Mother Mary, they will see she still wants us to pray for sinners, ourselves, the souls in purgatory, etc. So there still is sin and we are still waiting for Jesus to come.

Maybe my arguments aren’t the best, I just know that Jesus would never stoop so low as to be some cheap messiah on the tv who likes to rake in the cash and followers…

First of all, He doesn’t charge f/ seminars/ coventions nor any of the tracings we go to…what we give is tithing and/or offerings. And of course, we aren’t the first to do this. It’s written in the Bible. As a matter of fact, Abraham gave Melchizedek tithings of ALL he owned (Genesis 14:20).

Jesus rose in a GLORIFIED body NOT flesh!! What that is that he could be seen but he was spirit at the same time…Abba Father!

As far as the “atrocities” you mention: Iraq: RELIGION, POOR: RELIGION, THIEFS: RELIGION, MURDERERS: RELIGION…should I go on?
All that is going on is a result of lies…RELIGION!!

Sin was done away w/, you can read it in the historical book of John 1:29, John the Baptist stated:
Behold, the Lamb of God which TAKETH away the sin of the world.
Hebrews 9:26 also states it was TAKEN.
Romans 6:14 says “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.”
What happens is that we make mistakes as a result of being in this flesh. This flesh that will NEVER be perfect. That is why it says in the Bible that the flesh profiteth nothing (historical book of John 6:63). The spirit on the other hand is PERFECT. When Christ died on the cross he separated spirit from flesh and He doesn’t see us in flesh anymore. As a matter of fact, the Bible states that if we ever knew Him in flesh, we should NOT know Him that way.

Um, “your blessed mother mary” ??? I have NEVER seen the Bible refer to her that way. She was just like all of us. She needed of Jesus to be saved also! Purgatory? The Bible does NOT mention limbo or purgatory.

I am glad we agree: Jose Luis de Jesus is NOT the Messiah he is God incarnated in a flesh called Jose Luis. It’s not what u see in the outside it’s WHOM is in the inside…the spirit. Like Jesus of Nazareth…He was God incarnated in that body called Jesus <~~was the Messiah.

God does as He wants and when He wants.

The BEST day

 

[corvidae]

But if Jesus rose in a glorified body, not a physical one, how did Thomas place his fingers in the hands, and his hand in the side. It seems pretty physical to me.

Also, after the resurrection, Jesus ate fish, How could He do this without a physical body.

And I find it strange you are sola scriptura, I mean, John said that not everything Jesus said was in scripture, so why scripture alone?

A lone Raven

 

[TheGarg]

Has anyone heard of a man named Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, and of his group?

I know people claiming to be Jesus, and their surrounding cults are unfortunately nothing new, but I was shocked to learn that thousands of people worldwide are actually buying into this man’s absurd teachings. Apparently, he’s accumulated millions of dollars, and even has his own 24-hour television station. Any thoughts?

cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_254163721.html

Another link, and excerpt:

miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2006-02-09/news/feature_5.html

*"The protesters belong to a congregation called Creciendo en Gracia, or Growing in Grace. It is headquartered in a drab Doral warehouse but has outposts throughout Latin America, as well as in Spain, Italy, Canada, and Australia. All told, the group claims 300 congregations with more than 100,000 members, plus a 24-hour cable channel that reaches two million homes. And it’s growing. In the last year alone, Creciendo en Gracia has added nearly 100 churches to its roster. *

*The group is organized around José Luis De Jesus Miranda, a 59-year-old Puerto Rican man with impish charm and a taste for indulgence. Some defectors, like Regina Albarracin — a Pembroke Pines woman whose son remains a member — liken him to a cult leader. Devotees call him Jesus Christ and lavish him with gifts and money. More than 400 followers have set up businesses that funnel 20 to 80 percent of their profits into the ministry. Others donate cars, homes, and tens of thousands of dollars in cash and services. *

De Jesus’s followers believe they are God’s true chosen people and call their children the “super race.” They are also convinced other churches peddle deceit and spread poverty, war, and disease. But while this antipathy dates back years, only recently have they begun acting on it by disrupting religious events.

*Over the past five months, Creciendo en Gracia parishioners have held at least 40 protests in more than a dozen countries. And De Jesus says this is just the beginning. “My purpose,” he explains, “is to close down every church so the true church can begin. You could say I’m leading the greatest reformation that has ever happened.” *

it is simply amazing what people will buy…why am I not a millionaire?..oh wait…i don’t lie lol… note: not judging all millionares, just a cheap shot for my punch line ]

i bet they all have a roll of quarters i thier hands when they find them…

“stay close to the hole, and take the dixie cup with you”

 

[wjp984]

allow me to clear something up. Do we actually have a believer in this guy posting on this forum orn is someone just making a big joke of it to get reactions.

 

[TheGarg]

**hahahahaha …reformers!!! prepare to get reformed!!!

**http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_254180759/lg



sorry my protestant brothers andsisters had to

 

[jmcrae]

Um, “your blessed mother mary” ??? I have NEVER seen the Bible refer to her that way.

Then, even though you seem to quote the Scriptures, it’s clear that you have never even begun to read them, since we find that Mary is blessed in the very first chapter of the Gospel according to Luke.

Do yourself a favour: sit down and read the New Testament for yourself, without the “guidance” of your cult. Throw your man-made books away, and read the Scriptures in their plain sense, beginning with the first chapter of the Gospel of Matthew, and reading until the end of the Book of Revelation, in an orderly manner, missing nothing. Take it slowly, keep a journal, have no preconceived ideas about the meaning of it, and pray for the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit while you are reading it.

 

[ssejllenrad]

allow me to clear something up. Do we actually have a believer in this guy posting on this forum orn is someone just making a big joke of it to get reactions.

Apparently, he’s serious.

 

[corvidae]

What the…
Is it just me or did they misspell Christ on that banner about reforming people?

A lone Raven

 

[TheGarg]

What the…
Is it just me or did they misspell Christ on that banner about reforming people?

A lone Raven

 

[thistle]

First of all, He doesn’t charge f/ seminars/ coventions nor any of the tracings we go to…what we give is tithing and/or offerings. And of course, we aren’t the first to do this. It’s written in the Bible. As a matter of fact, Abraham gave Melchizedek tithings of ALL he owned (Genesis 14:20).

Jesus rose in a GLORIFIED body NOT flesh!! What that is that he could be seen but he was spirit at the same time…Abba Father!

As far as the “atrocities” you mention: Iraq: RELIGION, POOR: RELIGION, THIEFS: RELIGION, MURDERERS: RELIGION…should I go on?
All that is going on is a result of lies…RELIGION!!

Sin was done away w/, you can read it in the historical book of John 1:29, John the Baptist stated:
Behold, the Lamb of God which TAKETH away the sin of the world.
Hebrews 9:26 also states it was TAKEN.
Romans 6:14 says “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace.”
What happens is that we make mistakes as a result of being in this flesh. This flesh that will NEVER be perfect. That is why it says in the Bible that the flesh profiteth nothing (historical book of John 6:63). The spirit on the other hand is PERFECT. When Christ died on the cross he separated spirit from flesh and He doesn’t see us in flesh anymore. As a matter of fact, the Bible states that if we ever knew Him in flesh, we should NOT know Him that way.

Um, “your blessed mother mary” ??? I have NEVER seen the Bible refer to her that way. She was just like all of us. She needed of Jesus to be saved also! Purgatory? The Bible does NOT mention limbo or purgatory.

I am glad we agree: Jose Luis de Jesus is NOT the Messiah he is God incarnated in a flesh called Jose Luis. It’s not what u see in the outside it’s WHOM is in the inside…the spirit. Like Jesus of Nazareth…He was God incarnated in that body called Jesus <~~was the Messiah.

God does as He wants and when He wants.

The BEST day

He is not God. He is Satan the great deceiver and managing to fool people like you.

 

[BebedeJesus]

]Bebe;

Did He descend from Heaven in the same manner in which He ascended? (Acts 1:11)

He does not have to descend from the sky bcuz the sky is NOT heaven. In Colossians 1:20, Paul explains that all things were reconciled in earth and in heaven. And in Ephesians 2:6 it confirms that earth and heaven are one bcuz it states that we are sitting in heavenly places WITH HIM. We aren’t dead. So, we would then understand that being on earth in flesh and spirit we are spiritually sitting in heavenly places with Him. Therefore, He would not have to mystically descend.
Now, if he descends from the SKY, then the prophecy of “thief in the night” would not be fulfilled.(1Thes.5:2)
A thief does NOT say that he’s either there or going to enter. So, He would be among us w/out it being known.

Is His body the same glorified body that He had after His resurrection, which can neither age nor experience disease? (Has He remained the same physical age, these 17 years?)

Like I mentioned above, sky and heaven are NOT the same. So, when they Galileans were told He’d come back the same way it was with a purpose as Jesus of Nazareth had come. Obviously, not the same mission/purpose.

Does He bilocate, and pass through walls?

Well, Jesus of Nazareth told his disciples: When the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? He was referring to the second coming not himself. By saying SON OF MAN he is implying that this second coming would be born of man. Notice that when the people referred to Jesus of Nazareth, he was referred to as “the son of God.” Obviously, because he was born of the Holy Spirit and of course needed a womb which was Mary.
The Bible does not state that He would pass through walls. It DOES state, however, that after His coming, He will be transformed and then so will His chosen.
So, after the transformation, He will be in a glorified body. (1 Corinthians 15:23-26) It says “the last enemy He will destroy will be death.” So, He has to be in a body if not, death would already be destroyed.

Are the marks of His crucifixion still present on His body?

In the historical book of John chapter 20 verses 27-29, Jesus has a conversation with Thomas that specifies that it’s by faith and for faith, in which case He will NOT come w/ any proof…“blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The BEST day!

 

[ssejllenrad]

He is not God. He is Satan the great deceiver and managing to fool people like you.

I don’t totally agree… He’s a false-prophet… Perhaps a pawn of Satan? But yet again, you could be right… Hope not though… Hopefully we’ll see this man fade as the others who falsely claimed divinity before him.

 

[zian]

This thread is a veritable blizzard. I haven’t seen this many flakes (posts, not posters ) since last winter.

 

[Guardian]

J.N.D. Kelly sure had it right, didn’t he?

For the early Fathers:

…the identity of the oral tradition with the original revelation is guaranteed by the unbroken succession of bishops in the great sees going back lineally to the apostles. . . . [A]n additional safeguard is supplied by the Holy Spirit, for the message committed was to the Church, and the Church is the home of the Spirit. Indeed, the Church’s bishops are . . . Spirit-endowed men who have been vouchsafed “an infallible charism of truth” (Early Christian Doctrines, 37).

Thus on the basis of experience the Fathers could be:

**…profoundly convinced of the futility of arguing with heretics merely on the basis of Scripture. The skill and success with which they twisted its plain meaning made it impossible to reach any decisive conclusion in that field **(Early Christian Doctrines, 41).

 

[BebedeJesus]

But if Jesus rose in a glorified body, not a physical one, how did Thomas place his fingers in the hands, and his hand in the side. It seems pretty physical to me.

Well, then, how do u explain that it says that the disciples were in a room with the door closed and Jesus came in WITHOUT opening it? It was a glorified body ~ by glorified/changed/transformed I mean that it was possible for him to go through walls and yet be in a state where he could be touched. So, he was both spirit and flesh.

And I find it strange you are sola scriptura, I mean, John said that not everything Jesus said was in scripture, so why scripture alone?

Well, if I understand you correctly, we not only use scriptures to know it is Him. For example, we have tried/used what He has taught us and we don’t need a pastor/preacher/evangelist etc…to lay hands on us… many of us have been healed just by using what He has taught us [to heal ourselves]. Some had dreams years ago with this revelation, in other words, that He was God before any in the congregation dared to say it or He would admit it. Many of the newcomers, tell testimonies of how they had dreams or visions of Him but had NEVER seen Him until recently either by cds/dvds/internet or news. This is something that is happening all over the world. Not just in the state of FL.

The BEST day!