MERGED Posthumous Mormon Baptisms

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Finally found the source I prefer…

www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm

The ruling came in January of 2008.

It was interesting reading Mormon responses to the Vatican…but I am sensing the Mormons are disregarding the Vatican and continuing to baptize the dead…thinking they are restoring an assumed ancient Christian practice.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
I don’t think that it makes sense to ask the LDS Church to apologize or stop because they feel that what they are doing is a charitiable thing which allows someone to get to a higher heaven.

I also wouldn’t waste time being upset about what they are doing because **what they are doing is completely ineffectual. **

The reality is that everyone on earth, while they are living, has an opportunity to accept God, enter His true Church and become saved via the Sacrament of Baptism and those who truly don’t have that opportunity in life may still be saved via the abundant mercy of God who knows and judges correctly the hearts of men.

**What the LDS Church is doing a huge waste of their own time and energy, but it has absolutely zero affect on anyone. **But they won’t stop unless…they individually come to the knowledge of and accept the truth.
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I haven’t read the whole thread but agree with your post. Mormons are not going to stop. The dead person can’t object. And as you pointed out it is not effective. To offend those who object - will not affect their Baptism for the dead.
 
It is a Mormon religous practice…they find it beneficial…they find their proxy rituals for the dead to be loving and gracious expressions of their belief in “redeeming the dead” and their understanding of “communion of saints”.

I find performing rituals TO the living without their consent much more troubling than I find rituals performed on behalf of the dead.🤷
 
Problem is Mormonism’s own stand and most intense focus, teachings, manner of prosletyzing, rituals against Catholicism, that is not applied to other religions.

Likewise, the anger by Jews is reflective of past anti-Semitism by Catholics and others.
 
Yes, Zippity…and you have to study the foundation of Mormonism, its focus on Catholicism that they do not direct to any other religion, including the Orthodox. Likewise, the Mormons also had their reactions.
 
KathleenGee said:
Yes, Zippity…and you have to study the foundation of Mormonism, its focus on Catholicism that they do not direct to any other religion, including the Orthodox. Likewise, the Mormons also had their reactions.
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I used to be Mormon. Very well versed in Mormonism. For what it is worth, and do not mean to derail this thread, the Mormon god is not the God of Christianity. There is a lot that is not Christian doctrine in Mormonism. Back to topic, the Mormons will not quit their Baptism for the dead as they see it as God approved. I could go on bout their changing a god given polygamy to none but again, that shows some prevarication. Ahhh deceptions.

I am so thankfull that I am a Catholic. 🙂

EDIT: Oh they concentrate on Catholicism because they see Protestants as sorta come latelies. Catholic “claims” to come from Christ so therefore, that is why they concentration on Catholic.
 
Zippity…

Welcome into the Church…Yes…but they bypass the Orthodox…which makes same claim and is founded by 11 of the 12 apostles. There was only one church…and we are praying the unity return, but believers maintain their own cultural faith traditions and jurisdictions.

Mormonism is very much a man made religion, and its focus is really about man being the eternal being in various forms and ‘God’ being more a divine source to gain divinity.

Mormonism is about man, not really so much faith in God.

I like the Mormon people.
 
Thank you. I have been Catholic for a few decades now. 🙂 I also like Mormons generally speaking. Almost all of my family are Mormon and I believe some walked across the plains to SLC. Be that as it may. Truth is truth.

Bypass Orthodox generally cause they see RC as mainly huge and of course apostatized at some point. Before the great split with the Orthodox? I don’t know. Just know although likeable people’s, they are wrong religion wise.

I do not mean to derail this thread so enuff of my history and stuff on other Mormon topics. I do not believe that Mormons will stop, unless they declare God has spoken through the prophet and told them to.
 
I don’t get the sense that Mormons can or are willing to empathize with people who are offended by this practice. They just plain don’t care what the views of others are, unless it supports their “great apostasy” view. Most likely, they take the stance that opposition to this practice is an indication that what they are doing is right.

It’s pointless, really, to go on and on with them about how it affects the feelings and emotions of individuals and communities, because they aren’t listening, and don’t give a rat’s behind.
 
KathleenGee said:
I found my preferred source…if the Vatican didn’t think it an issue, it would not have made such a pronouncement in January of 2008.

www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm

I read responses by Mormons on their websites and tried to give link, but they didn’t work.
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I think that’s a different issue. I agree that the Church shouldn’t allow Mormons to go into their records, for reason of privacy and because it could send a mixed message to the faithful as if the Church condones it. That is their reasoning behind blocking it, because if they didn’t, it would be as if the Church endorses the practise.

But as I posted previously, Mormons don’t need to go into Church registries just to know that people existed and to get their names. Frankly, it’s silly that they even try, and in any case the Catholic Church has no reason whatsoever to collaborate with Mormons by allowing them access in the first place. Phonebooks, obituaries, history books, census records, etc., can all give them what they want and can even do a better job at it than parish records can anyway.

So in *those *cases, when privacy isn’t infringed upon and the Church’s records aren’t misused, why do people even care what the Mormons do?
 
FabiusMaximus said:
What makes holocaust survivors so special as to be specifically avoided with regards posthumous baptism?
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Here’s a statement I think is relevent even though it speaks of posthumous baptism of the Holocaust dead:

Abraham Foxman, the Anti-Defamation League’s National Director and a Holocaust survivor, explained in a statement why it’s important to stop the practice, USA Today reported. “Holocaust victims died precisely because they were Jewish,” he said. “Listing Jews as 'Christian’ on one of the most researched genealogical sites in the world inadvertently aids and abets denial of the Holocaust.”

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...ologize-posthumous-baptism-jews-wiesel-romney

Luna
 
Agree…Mormons will not stop…it is just that they are so insensitive…what if we were…as a church doctrine in practice…infiltrating their records…and baptizing their Mormons…with full assent and promotion by the Vatican…

The Orthodox and Catholic were only one church up to about 1000 AD…there needs to be work done on both sides…I talked with some Greek women the other night…and we see our differences as cultural…different wording…tolerable to both sides…

It is those men…

Yes…if you want to find the Truth about God…go to His Church. The Latin rite is more outward, more intellectual in defining…may be overdefines…the Orthodox are very deep…don’t have changes all the time like us…more mystical…the ladies told me some more…and they sound like they are practicing early Christian practices…I was very impressed…
 
I agree with you, Rebecca…

And the problem was that the Mormons were not just getting the records…they were getting them to get the names…all to build the Mormon church.

Big disconnect. That is enough. Don’t want to go much farther now with their mindset.

Yes…the Holocaust happened because they were Jewish.

And we all know of the many other Orthodox, Catholic and others who were likewise put to death.

I could say some more…but no no no.
 
RebeccaJ said:
I don’t get the sense that Mormons can or are willing to empathize with people who are offended by this practice. They just plain don’t care what the views of others are, unless it supports their “great apostasy” view. Most likely, they take the stance that opposition to this practice is an indication that what they are doing is right.

It’s pointless, really, to go on and on with them about how it affects the feelings and emotions of individuals and communities, because they aren’t listening, and don’t give a rat’s behind.
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Yup, this.
 
I see that there is an ongoing discussion between the Mormons and the
Catholics concerning the efficacy of unsolicited and undesired
baptisms on Jews (whether we are dead or alive). On this point, as a
Jew, I can assure both sides that both the Mormon and the Catholic
baptism are of equal value as to any influence on the eternal
unbreakable covenant between the Jews and God.

However, it seems that in baptizing the Jews, the valuable lessons of
Mortara and the lessons of the Finaly affair should be learned. How
can we leave these newly baptized Christians in a Jewish cemetery?
Don’t they at least deserve a decent Christian burial now that they
have been baptized? Surely they should be exhumed and moved to more
hallowed ground.

The advantages of Christian burial for the recently deceased former Jews as
opposed to a Jewish burial can not be underestimated. As brand new
Christians they can be embalmed or cremated, they can have makeup
applied, be all dressed up and placed in an open coffin, be buried in
a super comfortable box especially made to keep the worms out, if its
inconvenient to bury them immediately the burial can be delayed to
next week, family members don’t have to rend their garments or sit
around mourning for a week instead everyone can have a party with
music and reminisce about what a great guy has passed away.

In fact, in order to enjoy the maximum number of benefits of becoming
Christian it would be best to baptize Jews before their death when
they are comatose or terminally ill in hospital.This might even serve
in their recovery as when little Edgardo managed to survive his
otherwise fatal fever thanks to the ministrations of the kindly housemaid.
 
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