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By implying that the “sacrament” is merely a symbol, the LDS communities disconnect themselves from authentic Christian tradition (please no “Mass Apostasy” arguments here, it’s a cop-out argument that is out of place in the current debate) and completely misses out on what the Eucharist truly is.

Is the Eucharist our actions to to keep within the New Covenant? Yes, but it is so much more. If the Eucharist is merely a symbol, then what we consume is merely bread and wine (or in the LDS case, bread and water) and not anything more. That has no meaning. At least the Passover Lamb actually had a meaning, but mere bread and wine (or water) is meaningless and empty. When reading the Gospels for what they REALLY say: “I am the bread that has come down from Heaven.” “Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you shall not have life within you.” “Take this [bread] all of you and eat it, this is My Body,” any reader will see that the Eucharist is more than a symbol of Christ, but Christ in the Reality, as in Really Present. By partaking in a Eucharist that is more than just a symbol, not only are you keeping within the actions of the New Covenant, but you are taking Christ, literally, within you.

So if you are what you eat, then I wish to go partake in the Eucharist everyday, because as I’m literally eating the Divine, I will become a part of the divine.

Again, don’t just take my word for it. Others are far better at explaining this than I ever could.
 
Interesting debate, Reason i Joined this forum is you can learn alot from these type of discussions. The only part i was disappointed in was the making fun of the LDS Church sending members over to try to win back people leaving their faith, “love bombing” “showing up with cookies”. I’ve been Catholic for a short 12 yrs and the last 6 i had worked for the church, same parish i completed rcia at. well I’ve had my doubts and haven’t been back in 6 months, no cookies, no love bombing, nothing. Some of that might be nice, but i feel members there really don’t care.
 
ru1too said:
Interesting debate, Reason i Joined this forum is you can learn alot from these type of discussions. The only part i was disappointed in was the making fun of the LDS Church sending members over to try to win back people leaving their faith, “love bombing” “showing up with cookies”. I’ve been Catholic for a short 12 yrs and the last 6 i had worked for the church, same parish i completed rcia at. well I’ve had my doubts and haven’t been back in 6 months, no cookies, no love bombing, nothing. Some of that might be nice, but i feel members there really don’t care.
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God cares. That is why I go to Mass every Sunday.
 
mtolympus said:
Christ speaks through prophets. Therefore, we don’t have to guess.
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The LDS church, more than any religion of which I can bring to mind, has to guess most of the time. Yesterday polygamy was a truth revealed by God, today it is not. Yesterday no black person could enter into the LDS priesthood, today they can. Yesterday Adam was God, today he is not. Yesterday we all got our separate planets over which to rule, today we do not. Please. You have no idea whether what you believe today will still be true tomorrow. The history of the LDS church speaks for itself, especially in the area of prophets.
 
Despite all of my support for all religions and even for the LDS I still find one thing quite suspicious.

Wouldn’t having a modern day prophet be open to corruption? How is a modern day prophet selected? By a few top-end members? I don’t really think that this can be a very safe mechanism for a Church and can lead to idolizing the so called Prophet. I still don’t think that Cult is a nice word for you but I’d like to clear up this confusion.

Despite this, I still respect your church as I do with any denomination.
 
Jesusissacred said:
I still don’t think that Cult is a nice word for you but I’d like to clear up this confusion.
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Cult - Origin: Latin cultus: habitation, tilling, refinement, worship
  • /cul-/ variant stem of *colere* to inhabit, till, worship
  • /-tus/ suffix of v. action
From the Latin cultus, we get the English culture.

So yes, I would define the LDS as a specific cult, as I would also define Christianity as a specific cult, and being an American as a broad cult. It’s pretty modern to identity only the “strange religious practices sometimes with Kool-Aid” as a cult. Remember, the Church today still describes a particular devotion as the “Cult of Saint such-and-such.”

Just to keep language clear.
 
Latter-day Saints quite clearly know that Christ said “This is my body”. We are not denying what Christ said. What we do deny is the interpretation that saying “This is my body” necessitates a transformation of the bread into the flesh of Christ (while still appearing to be bread) anymore than my holding up an orange and saying “This is the Sun” necessitates a transformation of the orange into the Sun. No one is being misleading here (and it is disingenuous to say so), we differ on our interpretations of what Jesus Christ said.

Sounds just like the Orthodox saying they disagree with the RCC on the interpretation of Matthew 16:19.

Orthodoxy, Protestantism, Mormonism…all appear to be cut from the same cloth.
 
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Lucky7 said:
Latter-day Saints quite clearly know that Christ said “This is my body”. We are not denying what Christ said. What we do deny is the interpretation that saying “This is my body” necessitates a transformation of the bread into the flesh of Christ (while still appearing to be bread) anymore than my holding up an orange and saying “This is the Sun” necessitates a transformation of the orange into the Sun. No one is being misleading here (and it is disingenuous to say so), we differ on our interpretations of what Jesus Christ said.

Sounds just like the Orthodox saying they disagree with the RCC on the interpretation of Matthew 16:19.

Orthodoxy, Protestantism, Mormonism…all appear to be cut from the same cloth.
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lol 👍

Though I do not believe that Orthodoxy is in any way similar to Protestantism or Mormonism
 
How can you not believe in the Trinity when 1 John 5:7 is very clear that the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit are ALL God?
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
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Also, how can you believe in the Book of Mormon if the Bible says not to in Galatians 1:8-9?
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
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Do you not realize how the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, the true Word of God? I will pray for all of the Mormons to be led to true Christianity. I would like replies to see what Mormons think of this evidence. Thank you. God bless. Xoxo.
 
Mormons believe in Modern day revelations and in Joseph Smith as their founding Prophet.

Joseph Smith taught that God the Father “has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (DC 130:22). They believe that God the Father and God the Son are two different personages both of flesh and bones, that share a divine purpose with the Holy Spirit.

When Joseph Smith had his “first” vision (in quotes because he had 9 “first” visions) he saw God the Father and God the Son, both with made of flesh and bone.

Tthey believe that Joseph Smith restored the priesthood to the earth. So they will say that it was revealed by God through Joseph Smith that all all Churches were wrong and their creeds were an abomination. It was reveal through God and the angel Moroni that the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ.
 
Mormonism loses all credibility when you watch this documentary where Joseph Smith supposedly claim to translate Egyptian hieroglyphs when no one knew what they meant. They go back and translate them and he was dead wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzkd_m6KE
 
Rhuarc said:
Mormonism loses all credibility when you watch this documentary where Joseph Smith supposedly claim to translate Egyptian hieroglyphs when no one knew what they meant. They go back and translate them and he was dead wrong.

youtube.com/watch?v=hcyzkd_m6KE
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Thank you for your link. I’m watching it now! One of my best friends is Mormon, and I wanted to show her this so bad, but I don’t want to offend her!
 
I’m not Mormon but I think I can come close to what they would answer. Obviously I am open to correction here by any Mormon poster.
komeeks18 said:
How can you not believe in the Trinity when 1 John 5:7 is very clear that the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit are ALL God?
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It would depend upon which Mormon you ask. On one hand they, without admitting polytheism, would say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit make up the “Godhead” and are one because they are one in purpose; the Son being created by God. It gets pretty confusing but to get around that they will say that they worship only the Father. At the same time I have heard them say that they believe Jesus is the Father. If you go back a little you will find that Adam was the Father, a human being that progressed to godhood. 🤷
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Also, how can you believe in the Book of Mormon if the Bible says not to in Galatians 1:8-9? Do you not realize how the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, the true Word of God? I will pray for all of the Mormons to be led to true Christianity. I would like replies to see what Mormons think of this evidence. Thank you. God bless. Xoxo.
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They believe it only contradicts the Bible in those places where the Bible was corrupted by the Catholic Church; that it is missing “many plain and precious things” which were restored with the Book of Mormon.

Just so you know, these topics have been discussed a thousand times on this forum.

Good luck!
 
SteveVH said:
I’m not Mormon but I think I can come close to what they would answer. Obviously I am open to correction here by any Mormon poster.

It would depend upon which Mormon you ask. On one hand they, without admitting polytheism, would say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit make up the “Godhead” and are one because they are one in purpose; the Son being created by God. It gets pretty confusing but to get around that they will say that they worship only the Father. At the same time I have heard them say that they believe Jesus is the Father. If you go back a little you will find that Adam was the Father, a human being that progressed to godhood. 🤷

They believe it only contradicts the Bible in those places where the Bible was corrupted by the Catholic Church; that it is missing “many plain and precious things” which were restored with the Book of Mormon.

Just so you know, these topics have been discussed a thousand times on this forum.

Good luck!
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Yes, thank you. I just cannot wrap my brain around how anyone can believe in the Book of Mormon if they’ve read the Bible. But I really hope a Mormon will reply so I can understand their insight.
 
komeeks18 said:
Yes, thank you. I just cannot wrap my brain around how anyone can believe in the Book of Mormon if they’ve read the Bible. But I really hope a Mormon will reply so I can understand their insight.
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I hope so as well. I would not want a Mormon to explain the Catholic Religion to someone and I assume they would feel the same about my comments. What I said was only my understanding and as I said I stand open to correction.
 
komeeks18 said:
How can you not believe in the Trinity when 1 John 5:7 is very clear that the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit are ALL God?
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I’ve always thought of the Mormon doctrine of the Godhead as fairly equivalent to the idea of the Trinity. We accept that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are all God and united in a fundamental way. However, we also believe they are separate individuals. One understanding of the Trinity also has the three united yet separate. I think where Mormons depart a bit from the orthodox understanding is that we claim that the Father and the Son have immortal bodies of flesh. I don’t see that this ought to be a huge doctrinal issue for other Christians, since most of them admit that God made himself flesh at one point anyway. That God should have the ability to present Himself as man with a body shouldn’t be too surprising in that case.
Also, how can you believe in the Book of Mormon if the Bible says not to in Galatians 1:8-9? Do you not realize how the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible, the true Word of God? I will pray for all of the Mormons to be led to true Christianity. I would like replies to see what Mormons think of this evidence. Thank you. God bless. Xoxo.
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Mormons don’t think the Book of Mormon is preaching “another gospel.” Mormons believe it preaches the same gospel that Paul received by revelation, and that it was written for the purpose of restoring this truth to the earth after it had been gradually lost over years of apostasy (e.g. corruption introduced into the scriptures, loss of authority, loss of revelation, etc). That is the Mormon viewpoint, anyway. Needless to say, Mormons also pray for others to be “led to true Christianity” and many of them are very certain that their church is True.
 
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