MERGED Questions about Mormonism

[TexanKnight]

So explain how you are not judging individual LDS members when, according to my Mormon friends, their teachings are misunderstood. To them, it is like my Mormon friends saying what Catholicism really is, according to them, and they have never been Catholic.

Like I said, but you likely missed or ignored. Many of us, including me, have been LDS…

 

[KathleenGee]

Wisdom 8:11…God created this world out of order, natural law, weights and measurements…

God is not giving us beliefs that are analogous to a set of dice…

We are not church or theological gamblers here…anything up for grabs…‘I want to believe this way so I am going to read into anything contrary to Christianity, stake it and claim it as true’.

That, if anything, is making unsubstantiated claims.

God is not calling us to smug superiority and automatic sainthood, and beliefs that cannot stand up to reason and historical documentation.

Jesus said He is the Truth…He doesn’t contradict Himself 1800 years later and wipe off with the sleight of His hand 1800 years of Christianity…the good, the bad, and the ugly altogether…as Christ said the wheat and chaff would always be with us…until the harvest.

The bottom line is integrity of faith, integrity of Christ.

 

[TruthLiving]

Like I said, but you likely missed or ignored. Many of us, including me, have been LDS…

So your beef, is to convince my Mormon friends to believe as you do now?? I do not see Mormon.org with a forums discussion, claiming to know what Catholics believe, etc.

Respect for believing as they do, regardless of choice to walk away from it.

 

[KathleenGee]

Truthliving…you are already displaying alot of bias with no foundation of facts.

You don’t know the experiences Catholics have had on Mormon forums.

 

[TexanKnight]

So your beef, is to convince my Mormon friends to believe as you do now??

This is a Catholic Site. This is a board for Catholics to discuss other denominations. So, that is what I do. I was LDS. In my studies as an LDS, I discovered things I was never taught, and could never believe. More studies proved the Church is not a restored Gospel and Joseph Smith was a false prophet. I am instructed by God to warn others of heresy. So, that is what I do. If this is offensive to you, I suggest trying a board that is not on a Catholic Site with a subsite of discussing other religions.

I do not see Mormon.org with a forums discussion, claiming to know what Catholics believe, etc.

I have. I have been on LDS Boards where Catholics were treated horribly. I chose to not be a member of those boards. See, we all have choices not to visit where we are offended instead of complaining about being offended.

Respect for believing as they do, regardless of choice to walk away from it.

I choose to follow my calling from God instead of you. Is that ok?

 

[Marie5890]

So explain how you are not judging individual LDS members when, according to my Mormon friends, their teachings are misunderstood. To them, it is like my Mormon friends saying what Catholicism really is, according to them, and they have never been Catholic.

But those teachings have not been misunderstood by those of us who lived, breathed and taught the Mormon faith for many years of our lives.

You and your Mormon friends keep wanting to ignore the historical facts of those of us who personal legacy and journey includes Mormonism.

Have you not understood those facts or are you willfully ignoring it?

 

[RebeccaJ]

So explain how you are not judging individual LDS members when, according to my Mormon friends, their teachings are misunderstood. To them, it is like my Mormon friends saying what Catholicism really is, according to them, and they have never been Catholic.

I was Mormon, almost my entire family are still Mormon. Those of us here who are converts to Catholicism from Mormonism understand Mormon teaching, and are able to compare it to Catholic teaching.

 

[zaffiroborant]

So your beef, is to convince my Mormon friends to believe as you do now?? I do not see Mormon.org with a forums discussion, claiming to know what Catholics believe, etc.

Respect for believing as they do, regardless of choice to walk away from it.

Try the Mormon Dialog and Discussion board, you will see LDS doing just that for most of Christianity. And just a note you won’t see Vatican.org with a discussion forum talking about what others believe either.

 

[zaffiroborant]

So explain how you are not judging individual LDS members when, according to my Mormon friends, their teachings are misunderstood. To them, it is like my Mormon friends saying what Catholicism really is, according to them, and they have never been Catholic.

First you have to explain how misunderstanding LDS beliefs (although you fail to clarify the misunderstanding) some how means individual LDS members are being judged.

 

[Marie5890]

First you have to explain how misunderstanding LDS beliefs (although you fail to clarify the misunderstanding) some how means individual LDS members are being judged.

They are the one’s who clearly misunderstand LDS teaching by having to rely on their friends for understanding as oppose to living it themselves.

 

[TruthLiving]

TexanKnight:
That is your choice to believe whatever. With that said, I would think anyone who has questions or wants to understand about the beliefs of others, you would ask others who are of that religious belief. Period. Common sense. Why be on the “bandwagon of ignorance”? I do not fully understand everything about Catholicism, yet I do not have a forums discussion board to tells others what Catholicism is about???

My Mormon friends recognize there is a lot of people who do not like them, religious or otherwise. That is fact.

I have relatives that are Jehovah’s Witnesses — one of the things I do not spend my time doing is convincing others that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe X when I do not know what they believe — I have not jumped on the “bandwagon of ignorance” to say that I know what they believe.

Bottom line for me, respect and acceptance of others beliefs, particularly when they are not interested in learning about or converting to another religious belief, would be clear in one’s mind.

Again, believe whatever you want ---- recognize and accept that others who have the beliefs that "you have your understanding"of have the freedom to live and believe as they do, regardless of how others may feel, “give their understanding of the beliefs”, etc.

 

[TexanKnight]

That is your choice to believe whatever. With that said, I would think anyone who has questions or wants to understand about the beliefs of others, you would ask others who are of that religious belief.

Or they could ask people like us, who were once LDS…right?

Period. Common sense. Why be on the “bandwagon of ignorance”? I do not fully understand everything about Catholicism, yet I do not have a forums discussion board to tells others what Catholicism is about???

Were you ever catholic? I was LDS…see?

My Mormon friends recognize there is a lot of people who do not like them, religious or otherwise. That is fact.

And you are LDS. That is a fact

I have relatives that are Jehovah’s Witnesses — one of the things I do not spend my time doing is convincing others that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe X when I do not know what they believe — I have not jumped on the “bandwagon of ignorance” to say that I know what they believe.

Nor could I since I have never been a JW. I have, though, been LDS. See the difference?

Bottom line for me, respect and acceptance of others beliefs, particularly when they are not interested in learning about or converting to another religious belief, would be clear in one’s mind.

Apparently, that does not hold true for you. Our belief is that on a Catholic Board, ex-LDS can speak about Mormons. You do not respect that belief…

Again, believe whatever you want

Thank you

---- recognize and accept that others who have the beliefs that "you have your understanding"of have the freedom to live and believe as they do, regardless of how others may feel, “give their understanding of the beliefs”, etc.

Sorry. I will do as God instructs instead of what you instruct. Is that ok?

 

[Marie5890]

. With that said, I would think anyone who has questions or wants to understand about the beliefs of others, you would ask others who are of that religious belief. Period. Common sense. .

Or those of us who have been LDS. That is common sense and reality, too, Period.

 

[twopekinguys]

I am always learning more from my cousins that resigned from the mormon church.

I am always bouncing things off of them that I learn here, and they are “Yep”, all of it is true".

It’s always kind of funny when you run into a mormon in the area, and bounce the same stuff off of them. You can see them looking for the nearest exit.

What is very interesting is, if someone ask a question about Catholicism, the vast majority of the time, they accept it.

Why?

1. It is found in scripture
2. It is logical
3. There is precedence for it in Sacred Tradition
   etc. etc.

Unfortunately, mormons have to bend, twist, assume, fabricate etc. in order to get their answers to fit.

ETA: One thing I Love about the RCC is the fact that doctrine has not, and does not change. There is one voice, united. It is very unique.

Mormon doctrine however has, and does change. Polygamy is just one example. First it was bad, then it was good, now it is good but hidden in this world. Sometimes you just need a scorecard to keep up.

 

[Marie5890]

I am always learning more from my cousins that resigned from the mormon church.

I am always bouncing things off of them that I learn here, and they are “Yep”, all of it is true".

It’s always kind of funny when you run into a mormon in the area, and bounce the same stuff off of them. You can see them looking for the nearest exit.

What is very interesting is, if someone ask a question about Catholicism, the vast majority of the time, they accept it.

Why?

1. It is found in scripture
2. It is logical
3. There is precedence for it in Sacred Tradition
   etc. etc.

Unfortunately, mormons have to bend, twist, assume, fabricate etc. in order to get their answers to fit.

Most people do have a basic understanding Christianity. Mormon dogma is so unorthodox.

Even GBHinkley, late LDS president, has said

’ In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints “do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.” ’

ldschurchnews.com/articles/31188/Crown-of-gospel-is-upon-our-heads.html

Most people dont have the same prism as Mormons do

 

[TruthLiving]

Truthliving…you are already displaying alot of bias with no foundation of facts.

You don’t know the experiences Catholics have had on Mormon forums.

Wrong there ---- Just as Mormons continue to defend themselves on mormon forums on the internet, the same as Catholics do here. I have no problem with that at all.

My key point has been the official sites of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are not attacking Catholicism or other religions for that matter. What non official sites do, which have come to be by individual Mormons is different — the viewpoints stated are of the Mormons, not official position or statements from lds.org or mormon.org

 

[twopekinguys]

Wrong there ---- Just as Mormons continue to defend themselves on mormon forums on the internet, the same as Catholics do here. I have no problem with that at all.

My key point has been the official sites of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are not attacking Catholicism or other religions for that matter. What non official sites do, which have come to be by individual Mormons is different — the viewpoints stated are of the Mormons, not official position or statements from lds.org or mormon.org

And you realize this is not an “official” Catholic site right?

With that being said, you have rendered your original argument moot.

If you want **the **official Catholic site, try Vatican.va

 

[TruthLiving]

And you realize this is not an “official” Catholic site right?

With that being said, you have rendered your original argument moot.

I recognize that the forums is not official Catholicism — so the people I know who are loyal, mass attending Catholics, who support their parishes, know less because they are not on the forums as you are???

The Catholics I know recognize they have differences with religious people, whether Mormons, Protestants, non believers, etc have good relations with others whether they are Mormons, whatever to build unity with the attack on Christianity growing.

 

[twopekinguys]

I recognize that the forums is not official Catholicism — so the people I know who are loyal, mass attending Catholics, who support their parishes, know less because they are not on the forums as you are???

The Catholics I know recognize they have differences with religious people, whether Mormons, Protestants, non believers, etc have good relations with others whether they are Mormons, whatever to build unity with the attack on Christianity growing.

Funny you should mention this.

Just so you know, I am the Lay Director of RCIA for our parish, (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults), so yes, I would say I am probably a little more up on things than they are. I have to be, I am responsible not only to the people in my classes, but the parish as a whole, our priests, and our Bishop.

It is amazing the number of faithful, Mass attending, good natured Catholics are lacking in their understanding of the Church, and it’s teachings. We call it not being properly catechized.

Does that make them dumb or bad Catholics? Absolutely not.

Your persecution complex is showing again. No one is “attacking” anything. We are obliged to correct error. BIG difference.

We are also not “attacking” individual mormons. We are showing the error of their church’s teachings. Again, BIG difference.

 

[twopekinguys]

I recognize that the forums is not official Catholicism — so the people I know who are loyal, mass attending Catholics, who support their parishes, know less because they are not on the forums as you are???

The Catholics I know recognize they have differences with religious people, whether Mormons, Protestants, non believers, etc have good relations with others whether they are Mormons, whatever to build unity with the attack on Christianity growing.

As far as “attacking”, maybe you should speak with your “mormon friends” about one of the versions of Joseph Smith’s first vision. Did you know there are 9 versions of it?

In one of the versions, he was told not to join any church, because they were an abomination.

Sound like an attack on religion to you?

Considering the Catholic church was around when he received this revelation, it would be the mormons attacking the Catholic church.