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Marie5890
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The official version that is found on LDS.org has what you are referring to
lds.org/library/display/0,4945,104-1-3-4,00.html
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
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batman1973
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Did anyone else laugh when they saw that IMDB listed the movie as a drama/fantasy?
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TexanKnight
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You want to see attacks? These are all LDS attacks on Catholics
hese are doctrine from the original Mormon Doctrine by the man who would be an Apostle, Bruce McKonkie.
Anti-Christ- ALL who belng to apostate (non-LDS) Churches of the day.
Anasthansian Creed: " by far the most senseless and incomprehensible but the one Catholic defenders feel called upon to raise for its clarity.
Baptism: One great apostate organization, the Catholic Church, places so much emphasis on baptism that they baptize infants.
Belief- no one who has knowledge of Book of Mormon can believe in Christ unless he believes in Book of Mormon.
Book of Mormon: There are a number of Biblical prophesies foretelling the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.
Catholicism: See “Church of the Devil”
Celestial Marriage: Many Catholic Priests and Nuns are bound by vows of celibacy. Celibacy is a evil, wicked system.
Church of the Devil: The Roman Catholic Church is designated as being the most abominable above all other churches.
Creation: Celestial time is the time that prevails on the planet Kolob.
Cross: Apostate Churches use the symbol of the cross
Damnation: Believers in apostate Christianity will reap damnation to their souls
Dark Ages: direct outgrowth of the restraint imposed by that great apostate church (Catholic) that has Satan as its founder
Excommunication: Blessings lost and person is delivered to the Devil.
Holy Father: The Catholic Church gives this title to the Pope and the title is blasphemous.
Infant Baptism: No more damnable doctrine was ever taught.
Joseph Smith: As a pre-existent spirit he had ranked with Adam and Abraham.
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Marie5890
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Did anyone else laugh when they saw that IMDB listed the movie as a drama/fantasy?
I had to re-do that particular link; I goofed as that was for a previous post.
I remember that version so well. Im trying to think of the word.
The endowment is a serious ritual for Mormons and I am guessing they did what they could but the production value was cheesy.
I’ve also done live sessions which means instead of staying in one room and watching the movie, there are actual live people enacting the story and you move from one room to another.
World room, garden room, telestial, terrestial celestial .
Back when I was LDS only a few temples still did live sessions (SLC, Logan, Manti, LA I think)
When I lived in Provo one of the “goals” for endowed BYU students was to go and do temple work in as many different temples as you could. I did manage all the temple that were in UT at the time. There have been several more built since I left.
I also did work in what were the 2 Idaho temples. The Las Vegas temple
I knew the endowment ceremony verbatim.
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batman1973
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Here’s my question: Does the Mormon “church” still teach/ and or consider those of us who leave the “church” to be Sons of Perdition?
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Telstar
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This forum may not be an official website of the Catholic Church, but those of us who post here try to make sure that what we post is backed up by the official teachings of the Church, including using direct quotes from the Catechism when necessary. So, most of it is still “official Catholicism”, even if it’s not on an official website. Occasionally, people might post their own opinions about certain beliefs, but when they do, they usually state that it’s just a personal opinion and not necessarily ‘official’ Church teaching.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of Catholics that have a very limited understanding of their Faith, even many of those that attend Church regularly. There are also many that pick and choose what they want to believe, and don’t pay any attention to other things that they disagree with, for one reason or another. So, just because they’re Catholic, there’s no guarantee that they really know everything that the Church teaches. I imagine there are members of most other religions that do things the same way.
What makes you think we’re any different? Is it because we disagree with their beliefs, and don’t hesitate to tell them so? That’s the whole point of this forum. We’re here to discuss the differences between what we believe, from both sides of the fence. Disagreeing with someone about any subject doesn’t constitute having negative feelings toward those people. It just means we disagree over ideas and beliefs. That’s all it means. Haven’t you ever disagreed with any of your own family members about certain issues? Does that mean you dislike them, or even hate them because of it? If you don’t think you can disagree with people without disliking them, then you have a lot to learn.
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Marie5890
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I had Bruce McConkie’s sister, Margret Pope, as a professor when I attended BYU. She taught religion as one can imagine. She was a McConkie thru and thru and it was clear in her teaching. She leaned heavily on her brother’s writings.
I remember when Bruce R gave his final talk in general conference right before he died, and his final testimony. It was clear to many of us and we spoke about it in hushed tones that he did not have that “special witness” testimony that was (still is perhaps?) legend amongst the Mormon faithful.
That “special witness” that makes and apostle an apostle in the Mormon church (Ie a personal visit by Christ Himself in the temple after one is called and ordained to the Quruom of the 12
The class was called “Gospel Teachings” and I am not speaking of Sunday school classes. This was a real college course for credit
Back when I attended BYU you had to have 14 credit hours of religion to graduate, which basically meant you had to take a religion course each semester
2 of those course had to be Book of Mormon 101 and Book of Mormon102 (study first half one semester and the other another semester) the rest of the 10 credits were religion electives.
It’s my understanding that now, besides the BoM requirement, you have to take one course in the New Testament and one in the Old Testament, which means that the 6 remaining credits could be electives of your choosing.
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TexanKnight
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When I left, that is what they told me. That and I had committed the only unforgivable sin: I had sinned against the Spirit. I was told that I am destined for hell no matter what I do now.
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TruthLiving
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I am not persecuting anyone. It is obvious that Catholics, Mormons, others may differ from their church’s official doctrine or positions.
Further, I never said Catholics were dumb — people have different levels of belief regardless of what they believe.
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Marie5890
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My understanding when I was LDS was that only those who had received their second endowment and received a “more sure knowledge” could deny the Holy Ghost and thus become a son of perdition
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Marie5890
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Im curious as to who “they” is TexanKnight. Was this someone in an official capacity and knowledge of LDS policy? Or just the average Mormon who probably doesnt really factually know and was trying to lay a guilt trip on you?
The fact is, you could actually go back. If you have officially resigned you would need to be re-baptized and re-confirmed. If you had been thru the temple, after a period of time your endowment would be “re-instated” .
Not sure if you would have to be re-ordained to the priesthood however.
Sealings would also be “re-instated”
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KathleenGee
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‘Truth’…
As Marie pointed out, the construct of Mormonism is that all other religions’ doctrines are corrupt…’
That is your Mormon construct…
Doctrines is the word usage by the Catholic Orthodox Church, instituted by Christ Himself as the only Church.
‘Doctrine’ actually is a Catholic Orthodox term going back to the beginning science of Christology, so Mormonism already focusing and labelling doctrine as corrupt is pointing to Catholic/Orthodox Church.
Now, the construct of Catholic Orthodoxy is that Jesus lived, died and resurrected. Our religion is not based on invalidating or putting down other religions.
Catholicism is actually based on true progression and regeneration, based not on man, but on Christ. Our progression and regeneration is found in Christ.
So who is invalidating whom? Mormonism is on the anti-, not our Church.
Are you a Mormon seeking the truth and right now are not wanting to be associated with any religion at the present moment?
As Marie pointed out, the construct of Mormonism is that all other religions’ doctrines are corrupt…’
That is your Mormon construct…
Doctrines is the word usage by the Catholic Orthodox Church, instituted by Christ Himself as the only Church.
‘Doctrine’ actually is a Catholic Orthodox term going back to the beginning science of Christology, so Mormonism already focusing and labelling doctrine as corrupt is pointing to Catholic/Orthodox Church.
Now, the construct of Catholic Orthodoxy is that Jesus lived, died and resurrected. Our religion is not based on invalidating or putting down other religions.
Catholicism is actually based on true progression and regeneration, based not on man, but on Christ. Our progression and regeneration is found in Christ.
So who is invalidating whom? Mormonism is on the anti-, not our Church.
Are you a Mormon seeking the truth and right now are not wanting to be associated with any religion at the present moment?
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TruthLiving
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So who from the official LDS church headquarters are preaching your list??
Again, you can believe whatever you want — I am interested in solid evidence only.
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TexanKnight
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you said it is not and was doctrine…well…it is from:
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McKonkie. High enough source for you? And it is from the first edition of his book titled…wait for it…wait for it…wait for it…
Mormon Doctrine
I will wait for your apology…
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Marie5890
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Im leaning towards Trueliving not being LDS.
McConkie’s “Mormon Doctrine” is something Mormons know about.
Either that or Trueliving is newly baptized or very chronologically young.
Infact a great deal of the Bible dictionary in the back of the LDS edition of the KJV of the Bible comes right out of “Mormon Doctrine”
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TruthLiving
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First of all, Mormon Doctrine was written by Bruce McConkie ---- it is not official LDS publication — so no apology from me. Nice try.
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TexanKnight
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lol…I SAID it was written by LDS Apostle Bruce R. McKonkie. An LDS Apostle called it Mormon Doctrine. I have the book. You can dodge it, minimize it, or whatever you want…but I was taught from it as a Mormon.
Fact.
Another fact, I knew you would never apologize,it takes a certain amount of integrity to apologize.
I will pray for you, my friend. I hope you find truth
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Marie5890
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TrueLiving,
Bruce R McConkie was a member of the Quroum of 12 Apostles.
Do you understand the leadership hierarchy of the Mormon church?
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TruthLiving
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Regardless, I went once with a Mormon friend that went to Deseret Book, a popular LDS bookstore. I looked through books ranging from Thomas S. Monson to David Bednar, who had books there. I recall this specifically — their writings are their writings, not to be official church doctrine.
If you were taught from it, Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie was written by him ---- it is not a official LDS publication. Nothing to dodge here — just the facts.
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