MERGED Questions about Mormonism

[TexanKnight]

Regardless, I went once with a Mormon friend that went to Deseret Book, a popular LDS bookstore. I looked through books ranging from Thomas S. Monson to David Bednar, who had books there. I recall this specifically — their writings are their writings, not to be official church doctrine.

If you were taught from it, Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie was written by him ---- it is not a official LDS publication. Nothing to dodge here — just the facts.

It is clear that you do not understand what you are talking about.

You have no understanding of truth, how the LDS Church works, what doctrine is or means…you keep spouting about what friends say as if that must be all truth. I see clearly how much you need my prayers.

 

[Marie5890]

It is clear that you do not understand what you are talking about.

You have no understanding of truth, how the LDS Church works, what doctrine is or means…you keep spouting about what friends say as if that must be all truth. I see clearly how much you need my prayers.

Amen.

 

[TruthLiving]

TrueLiving,

Bruce R McConkie was a member of the Quroum of 12 Apostles.

Do you understand the leadership hierarchy of the Mormon church?

Yes, as I have said on another thread, Bruce McConkie wrote Mormon Doctrine.

The last time I went with a Mormon friend to Deseret Book, a popular bookstore, I looked through a book by Thomas S Monson. The book clearly stated that the writings should not be considered official doctrine. Of course, he is the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints – so I understand the leadership of the church.

According to my Mormon friends, in addition to the standard works of scriptures (the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price), general conference should be paid attention to for them.

 

[Marie5890]

Yes, as I have said on another thread, Bruce McConkie wrote Mormon Doctrine.

The last time I went with a Mormon friend to Deseret Book, a popular bookstore, I looked through a book by Thomas S Monson. The book clearly stated that the writings should not be considered official doctrine. Of course, he is the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints – so I understand the leadership of the church.

According to my Mormon friends, in addition to the standard works of scriptures (the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price), general conference should be paid attention to for them.

Yes all that is true.
Also the temple ceremony.

 

[TruthLiving]

It is clear that you do not understand what you are talking about.

You have no understanding of truth, how the LDS Church works, what doctrine is or means…you keep spouting about what friends say as if that must be all truth. I see clearly how much you need my prayers.

I take issue with that.

My friends have always been members, born in the church, so my understanding from them is clear.

The issue here is some people do not like their church and they have a agenda to show their hatred or they want to convince otherwise, for example, someone like me, that this is what the Mormons actually believe.

 

[Marie5890]

I take issue with that.

My friends have always been members, born in the church, so my understanding from them is clear.

The issue here is some people do not like their church and they have a agenda to show their hatred or they want to convince otherwise, for example, someone like me, that this is what the Mormons actually believe.

Well at least you are no longer claiming that we dont know and/or dont understand Mormonism



I call that success!!! :dancing:

We are making significant progress!! :extrahappy:

Stick around CAF, TrueLiving. We will balance out the information that you get from your friends.

Fair and balanced!!!

 

[twopekinguys]

I take issue with that.

My friends have always been members, born in the church, so my understanding from them is clear.

The issue here is some people do not like their church and they have a agenda to show their hatred or they want to convince otherwise, for example, someone like me, that this is what the Mormons actually believe.

Are they an “official” source of mormon doctrine? Do they provide all the teachings at lds.org?

That is what you keep asking for over and over isn’t it?

 

[TruthLiving]

Well at least you are no longer claiming that we dont know and/or dont understand Mormonism



I call that success!!! :dancing:

We are making significant progress!! :extrahappy:

Stick around CAF, TrueLiving. We will balance out the information that you get from your friends.

Fair and balanced!!!

What has been clear is you have a agenda particularly for people like me or others who may have their missionaries knocking on their door and how they or I should respond to the missionaries.

 

[Marie5890]

Are they an “official” source of mormon doctrine? Do they provide all the teachings at lds.org?

That is what you keep asking for over and over isn’t it?

Good point.

If TrueLiving is looking for official sources, then friends cant be seen as any more credible than strangers.

Friends wouldnt consitute an official source of the LDS church.

 

[Marie5890]

What has been clear is you have a agenda particularly for people like me or others who may have their missionaries knocking on their door and how they or I should respond to the missionaries.

I am someone who strives to be an authentic and credible disciple of Our Lord, so yes, I am guilty, as God as my witness, of having His agenda and uniting my cross with His.

I am a witness to the Eternal Word.

 

[TruthLiving]

I am someone who strives to be an authentic and credible disciple of Our Lord, so yes, I am guilty, as God as my witness, of having His agenda and uniting my cross with His.

I am a witness to the Eternal Word.

So would that include making statements with a church that, in your view, are not in full accord with Rome?

Yet Thomas S Monson, the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has had good relations with most of the recent Bishops of the Diocese of Salt Lake City despite their doctrinal differences. Gives financially to the Catholic Community Services in the Salt Lake City area.

If God’s agenda, in light of the Rome’s continued efforts to improve relations with other religions outside Catholicism — why I continue to wonder the effort to the destroy or end the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with the efforts I see on the forums??

 

[Nicea325]

So would that include making statements with a church that, in your view, are not in full accord with Rome?

Yet Thomas S Monson, the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has had good relations with most of the recent Bishops of the Diocese of Salt Lake City despite their doctrinal differences. Gives financially to the Catholic Community Services in the Salt Lake City area.

If God’s agenda, in light of the Rome’s continued efforts to improve relations with other religions outside Catholicism — why I continue to wonder the effort to the destroy or end the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with the efforts I see on the forums??

Not to destroy the LDS church,but to correct!

 

[TruthLiving]

Not to destroy the LDS church,but to correct!

Correct what?

So basically, according to what is said here, my friends must deny their church and come to Catholicism, is that your view??

I am certain that is not going to happen so it would be respect the differences.

 

[Marie5890]

So would that include making statements with a church that, in your view, are not in full accord with Rome?

Yet Thomas S Monson, the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has had good relations with most of the recent Bishops of the Diocese of Salt Lake City despite their doctrinal differences. Gives financially to the Catholic Community Services in the Salt Lake City area.

If God’s agenda, in light of the Rome’s continued efforts to improve relations with other religions outside Catholicism — why I continue to wonder the effort to the destroy or end the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with the efforts I see on the forums??

No, God’s agenda is salvation.
Baptism is required for salvation, and LDS baptism is invalid.

So when I think of Mormons, I know that many of them (those BIC) are without valid baptism.

So God’s agenda is to bring the Truth, the Word, the Life, to all peoples. Proclaiming His death and professing His resurrection.

All this and much more I witness to.

I cant speak for others, nor about this apparent fear you have that people are out to destroy the LDS church.

I have no such need. No such desire.
My desire it to make the Truth present and incarnate as much as I can with the gifts and talents that I have been blessed with.

One of those gifts/talents is that I know Mormonism. I am credible when I speak of it, of it’s teachings, of it’s doctrines, of it’s dogmas, of it’s history.



It’s all about the Truth and salvation that comes from knowing the Truth

 

[Marie5890]

Correct what?

So basically, according to what is said here, my friends must deny their church and come to Catholicism, is that your view??

I am certain that is not going to happen so it would be respect the differences.

Come on TrueLiving…Be honest and fair now…

That can be said for Mormons too.

It’s why they have something like 50,000 full time missionaries in the field.

 

[HonoraDominum]

So explain how you are not judging individual LDS members when, according to my Mormon friends, their teachings are misunderstood. To them, it is like my Mormon friends saying what Catholicism really is, according to them, and they have never been Catholic.

RebeccaJ, TexasKnight, and myself, along with many others on these boards, are ex-Mormons who are very familiar with both the doctrines and the culture of the LDS church. We simply refuse to allow half-truths and twisted logic confuse our brothers and sisters in the true church of Christ, the Catholic church.

 

[Marie5890]

TrueLiving,

You have me sincerely curious.

Why are you here? You clearly are not Mormon or know so little about it that you are wet behind the ears.

You certainly dont seem Catholic. All you claim is Christian.

What brought you here to CAF? To defend your Mormon friends? Can they defend themselves? Do they need to be defended?

Isnt the mark of a Christian to bare persecution for the Lord’s sake? Wouldnt you say that your friends, if they are feeling persecuted, should be rejoicing as Christ says we should?

How did you find CAF?
It sounds like you have some deep seated need to defend Mormonism.

It’s a curiosity to be sure.

 

[Jerusha]

Yet Thomas S Monson, the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has had good relations with most of the recent Bishops of the Diocese of Salt Lake City despite their doctrinal differences. Gives financially to the Catholic Community Services in the Salt Lake City area.

Good rapport with them as individuals is much different from accepting their beliefs. I have very little to quarrel with sincere individuals at the top of their church. What I do quarrel with is their passivity in dealing with those members on the far right, who have warped LDS beliefs into something which is ultimately anti-Christian. I also have difficulty with LDS who believe that it is their god-given right to interfere with the rights of others.

I remember Gordon Hinkley sadly saying something like “We seem to have always had difficulty getting along with our neighbors.” If only they would make an honest effort to get along with their neighbors and quit shoving their religion down the throats of people who have already committed to another church (or committed to non-belief) there would be very little debate here.

And also for those who want to leave-- they should be given the right to leave without consequences. Too many families are being destroyed by such pressures.

Any church which is struggling to survive despite egregiously flawed and internally inconsistent beliefs would probably do such things, however. It is just natural.

 

[Marie5890]

RebeccaJ, TexasKnight, and myself, along with many others on these boards, are ex-Mormons who are very familiar with both the doctrines and the culture of the LDS church. We simply refuse to allow half-truths and twisted logic confuse our brothers and sisters in the true church of Christ, the Catholic church.

TrueLiving has come to accept the factual reality that many of us here are former Mormons and do indeed know Mormonism.

They have given up on the “misunderstood” rhetoric.

 

[TruthLiving]

No, God’s agenda is salvation.
Baptism is required for salvation, and LDS baptism is invalid.

So when I think of Mormons, I know that many of them (those BIC) are without valid baptism.

So God’s agenda is to bring the Truth, the Word, the Life, to all peoples. Proclaiming His death and professing His resurrection.

All this and much more I witness to.

I cant speak for others, nor about this apparent fear you have that people are out to destroy the LDS church.

I have no such need. No such desire.
My desire it to make the Truth present and incarnate as much as I can with the gifts and talents that I have been blessed with.

One of those gifts/talents is that I know Mormonism. I am credible when I speak of it, of it’s teachings, of it’s doctrines, of it’s dogmas, of it’s history.



It’s all about the Truth and salvation that comes from knowing the Truth

My friends and I have known that Rome does not accept Mormon baptism.

My friends have no concerns about how Rome chooses not to recognize their baptism.
I know they are not leaving their church regardless what is said here, printed, broadcast, put elsewhere on the internet, etc.

They have a conviction of what they believe, regardless the effort here to try to convince them otherwise.

What the forums are doing is nothing new, in light of what my friends have said to me.