MERGED Questions about Mormonism

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Jerusha said:
I remember Gordon Hinkley sadly saying something like “We seem to have always had difficulty getting along with our neighbors.” I
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The biggest legacy of Gordon B Hinkley’s was 2 fold.
  1. His vision of building temples throughout the world and
  2. Bring Mormonism into the mainstream.
I remember his interview with Larry King. My jaw dropped when Larry asked about the Lorenzo Snow couplet and also about Hinkley’s being a prophet.

Talk about a 180 on well held Mormon main stream beliefs. OY!
 
TruthLiving said:
So would that include making statements with a church that, in your view, are not in full accord with Rome?

Yet Thomas S Monson, the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has had good relations with most of the recent Bishops of the Diocese of Salt Lake City despite their doctrinal differences. Gives financially to the Catholic Community Services in the Salt Lake City area.

Wow so the Mormon church gives a teensy bit of the tithing they gather to Catholic charities. Let’s get real here. If a TBM needs help they still have to tithe even if they can’t pay their mortgage. This is not true of the Catholic Church which gives to all regardless of religion, creed, or color.

If God’s agenda, in light of the Rome’s continued efforts to improve relations with other religions outside Catholicism — why I continue to wonder the effort to the destroy or end the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with the efforts I see on the forums??

There is no agenda to destroy the Mormon church but you should know that if you someday come into the light of the Catholic Church you will be re-baptized because the baptism in the LDS church is not a true Christian baptism.
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HonoraDominum said:
RebeccaJ, TexasKnight, and myself, along with many others on these boards, are ex-Mormons who are very familiar with both the doctrines and the culture of the LDS church. We simply refuse to allow half-truths and twisted logic confuse our brothers and sisters in the true church of Christ, the Catholic church.
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You are familiar with what you have chosen to believe.

My conservations with my Mormon friends have made it clear what you are doing is nothing new to them. Continue to do it — they pray for you particularly.

From my viewpoint, I am happy that I do not have a agenda to destroy Catholicism as my friends live with the assaults they hear about to what they believe.
 
Marie5890 said:
The biggest legacy of Gordon B Hinkley’s was 2 fold.
  1. His vision of building temples throughout the world and
  2. Bring Mormonism into the mainstream.
I remember his interview with Larry King. My jaw dropped when Larry asked about the Lorenzo Snow couplet and also about Hinkley’s being a prophet.

Talk about a 180 on well held Mormon main stream beliefs. OY!
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I never claimed that he was consistent!!! 😃 That would be too much to expect.

As for shaping Mormonism into something that fits in the mainstream-- it is too little, too late.
 
TruthLiving said:
You are familiar with what you have chosen to believe.

My conservations with my Mormon friends have made it clear what you are doing is nothing new to them. Continue to do it — they pray for you particularly.

From my viewpoint, I am happy that I do not have a agenda to destroy Catholicism as my friends live with the assaults they hear about to what they believe.
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I will ask you again. Are you “friends” an “official” source for lds doctrine?

That is what you keep asking for right? Official sources?
 
TruthLiving said:
You are familiar with what you have chosen to believe.

My conservations with my Mormon friends have made it clear what you are doing is nothing new to them. Continue to do it — they pray for you particularly.

From my viewpoint, I am happy that I do not have a agenda to destroy Catholicism as my friends live with the assaults they hear about to what they believe.
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Dont worry about your friends, TrueLiving.

They are used to it. Goes with the territory of being LDS. And they know it.
 
Jerusha said:
I never claimed that he was consistent!!! 😃 That would be too much to expect.

As for shaping Mormonism into something that fits in the mainstream-- it is too little, too late.
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I was STUNNED when I saw that interview.

Stunned and I felt betrayed.
 
TruthLiving said:
I am not persecuting anyone. It is obvious that Catholics, Mormons, others may differ from their church’s official doctrine or positions.

Further, I never said Catholics were dumb — people have different levels of belief regardless of what they believe.
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I didn’t say you were persecuting anyone. Please re-read the post. Obviously you didn’t glean too much from it.
 
twopekinguys said:
I will ask you again. Are you “friends” an “official” source for lds doctrine?

That is what you keep asking for right? Official sources?
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My friends who attend their ward, have a temple recommend, and are active otherwise are certainly a good source, in addition to lds.org and mormon.org, the scriptures, other official publications —

I have cited my friends and these sites, yet others here have only stated lds.org once, particularly most of I have read here on the forums, is someone’s opinion, not official LDS doctrine. That is your choice — just state that you are a former Mormon or never been a Mormon, claiming to be a expert about the church officially when your views are your opinion only.
 
TruthLiving said:
You are familiar with what you have chosen to believe.

My conservations with my Mormon friends have made it clear what you are doing is nothing new to them. Continue to do it — they pray for you particularly.

From my viewpoint, I am happy that I do not have a agenda to destroy Catholicism as my friends live with the assaults they hear about to what they believe.
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I am familiar with what I have chosen to believe? I’m confused now.

Also, you are treading dreadfully close to Godwin’s Law for Mormon Arguments online. As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a claim by Mormons (or a pro-Mormon) using one of these tactics in the argument approaches 1:
  • “Someone at the church really hurt you, that’s why you left the church.”
  • “You just wanted to live in sin, that’s why you left the church”
  • “We just want to live in peace. Why can’t you just leave us alone? Why must you persecute us?”
  • “Have you prayed about the Book of Mormon lately? I have felt the “burning of the bosom” and I cannot deny the witness of the Holy Ghost to me. I know this church is true …”
I will witness something to you, TruthLiving. God loves you. God made you because He loves you, and He made you so that He could share His love with you. He wants to be united with you, and gives you everything for Your own sanctification. When you distract yourself with the lies of your LDS friends, you lose sight of Him who created all and who is Love. He loves you so much that He gave His only son to you, and that son died a most horrible and terrifying death for you so that you could be with Him in heaven. He doesn’t want to wait until you get to heaven to be with Him, He wants to be united to you **right now. ** He only asks for your love, and for your desire to unite yourself with Him and His will for you. It’s such a simple plan that it’s positively brilliant.

Can you imagine that love? Can you envision putting yourself in the presence of God, and simply sitting there and allowing Him to love you? To admire His work in you? To quote one of my favorite LDS hymns, “I stand all amazed at the love Jesus offers me, Confused at the grace that so fully he proffers me, I tremble to know that for me he was crucified, That for me, a sinner, he suffered, he bled and died.” Knowing Christ like I know him now, those words almost bring me to tears. But as a Mormon, those words meant nothing. I cannot express to you the gratitude in my heart that He has given me the grace to desire him as I do. I am so thankful that every day, on the altars of the Catholic church, I witness a supernatural miracle, of Him coming down as the priest whispers Christ’s own words “THIS IS MY BODY”. To be united to him is a thought that consumes me, that pulls me away from the shallowness and vain trivialities of this earthly world.

None of this love in my heart would be possible had He not graced me with the blinding light to reveal to me the lies I was living when I was in the LDS church. Nothing in the Temple, not the Celestial room or the ordinances or anything at all, compares with the simple joy of kneeling in front of Him in front of the blessed sacrament. As you pray tonight, I ask only one thing of you. Please get on your knees, and ask God, “If you are here, let me know You as you are.” You will probably not get any kind of burning bosom, but from that moment God will work within you to show you the truth.

As St. Augustine so beautifully said, “My soul is restless until it rests in Thee, O Lord.” Rest tonight in the love of Christ.
 
TruthLiving said:
My friends who attend their ward, have a temple recommend, and are active otherwise are certainly a good source, in addition to lds.org and mormon.org, the scriptures, other official publications —

I have cited my friends and these sites, yet others here have only stated lds.org once, particularly most of I have read here on the forums, is someone’s opinion, not official LDS doctrine. That is your choice — just state that you are a former Mormon or never been a Mormon, claiming to be a expert about the church officially when your views are your opinion only.
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Before you became a Mormon, what religion were you?
 
Well folks, it’s late where I live so I am calling it a night.

TrueLiving, welcome to CAF.

Clearly you came here for a reason and I fully trust it was the Spirit who send you here. I hope you stay. It will be good for you.

I can see you are open since you have demonstrated that you can accept factual information when it is presented to you.

I know you push back. That is normal human reaction. We all do it.

I hope you will stick and and stick to forum rules so you wont get banned.
This is a good place for you to be.
We all here will be praying for you.
God Bless. 🙂
 
claiming to be a expert … when your views are your opinion only.
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Just an observation, not an accusation. I see it frequently.
Invalidation of other people is a common technique used by abusive people to divert attention away from flaws in their own logic, character and insecurity and to put pressure on others to yield control to them. Attention is often deflected away from the subject or problem at hand and the surrogate topic “look what’s wrong with you” is introduced. The victim is thus maneuvered into the position where in order to deal with the problem they are concerned about, they must first demonstrate to the perpetrator that they have fixed all the flaws in themselves. This is rarely resolved and the perpetrator successfully avoids addressing the original problem or issue.
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outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Invalidation.html

The experiences of others must be respected and understood, before their beliefs are addressed. If there is no attempt to do so, then you are not respecting their humanity.

When a person comes here to convince others that the LDS church is the RIGHT church, without acknowledging that they are LDS, we know that they are operating under the deeply flawed assumption that we hate all LDS because they are LDS. In actuality, we are very concerned for those who are so deeply deceived that they think they must come here and :slapfight: and then go :stretcher: to other boards complaining about how vile Catholics are. Gordon Hinkley was right. His people are a very contentious people.
 
honoradominum said:
i am familiar with what i have chosen to believe? I’m confused now.

Also, you are treading dreadfully close to godwin’s law for mormon arguments online. As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a claim by mormons (or a pro-mormon) using one of these tactics in the argument approaches 1:
  • “someone at the church really hurt you, that’s why you left the church.”
  • “you just wanted to live in sin, that’s why you left the church”
  • “we just want to live in peace. Why can’t you just leave us alone? Why must you persecute us?”
  • “have you prayed about the book of mormon lately? I have felt the “burning of the bosom” and i cannot deny the witness of the holy ghost to me. I know this church is true …”
i will witness something to you, truthliving. God loves you. God made you because he loves you, and he made you so that he could share his love with you. He wants to be united with you, and gives you everything for your own sanctification. When you distract yourself with the lies of your lds friends, you lose sight of him who created all and who is love. He loves you so much that he gave his only son to you, and that son died a most horrible and terrifying death for you so that you could be with him in heaven. He doesn’t want to wait until you get to heaven to be with him, he wants to be united to you **right now. ** he only asks for your love, and for your desire to unite yourself with him and his will for you. It’s such a simple plan that it’s positively brilliant.

Can you imagine that love? Can you envision putting yourself in the presence of god, and simply sitting there and allowing him to love you? To admire his work in you? To quote one of my favorite lds hymns, “i stand all amazed at the love jesus offers me, confused at the grace that so fully he proffers me, i tremble to know that for me he was crucified, that for me, a sinner, he suffered, he bled and died.” knowing christ like i know him now, those words almost bring me to tears. But as a mormon, those words meant nothing. I cannot express to you the gratitude in my heart that he has given me the grace to desire him as i do. I am so thankful that every day, on the altars of the catholic church, i witness a supernatural miracle, of him coming down as the priest whispers christ’s own words “this is my body”. To be united to him is a thought that consumes me, that pulls me away from the shallowness and vain trivialities of this earthly world.

None of this love in my heart would be possible had he not graced me with the blinding light to reveal to me the lies i was living when i was in the lds church. Nothing in the temple, not the celestial room or the ordinances or anything at all, compares with the simple joy of kneeling in front of him in front of the blessed sacrament. As you pray tonight, i ask only one thing of you. Please get on your knees, and ask god, “if you are here, let me know you as you are.” you will probably not get any kind of burning bosom, but from that moment god will work within you to show you the truth.

As st. Augustine so beautifully said, “my soul is restless until it rests in thee, o lord.” rest tonight in the love of christ.
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beautifully said!!

Amen!!
 
Marie5890 said:
The biggest legacy of Gordon B Hinkley’s was 2 fold.
  1. His vision of building temples throughout the world and
  2. Bring Mormonism into the mainstream.
I remember his interview with Larry King. My jaw dropped when Larry asked about the Lorenzo Snow couplet and also about Hinkley’s being a prophet.

Talk about a 180 on well held Mormon main stream beliefs. OY!
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He was a prophet.

My guess you were looking for further ammo to said the LDS church should be dismissed and everyone should coming running to Catholicism.
 
Marie5890 said:
My understanding when I was LDS was that only those who had received their second endowment and received a “more sure knowledge” could deny the Holy Ghost and thus become a son of perdition
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Hmm. I was told that because I left the “church” and denied it’s teachings and precepts that I would be cast into Outer Darkness with Lucifer and his angels as a Son of Perdtion, and that only by repentence, accepting the “church” as the only holders of the proper authority and embrace the “Fulness of the Gospel” could I hope to achieve a glory. Oddly enough, when asked about that possibility, I was asked only if I supported (then president) Gordon Hinckely as “prophet”. There was no mentioning of Jesus.
 
batman1973 said:
Hmm. I was told that because I left the “church” and denied it’s teachings and precepts that I would be cast into Outer Darkness with Lucifer and his angels as a Son of Perdtion, and that only by repentence, accepting the “church” as the only holders of the proper authority and embrace the “Fulness of the Gospel” could I hope to achieve a glory. Oddly enough, when asked about that possibility, I was asked only if I supported (then president) Gordon Hinckely as “prophet”. There was no mentioning of Jesus.
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So every ordinance, the authority to act in the church is there, and best of all to me the name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints — and yet no mention about Jesus to you proved to you to leave the church? (Wow did not know everyone had to be perfect in light of your experience)

Sadly that experience was yours — does not convince me to avoid the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I have not plans of coming to Catholicism.
 
So, go ahead and join the CoJCoLDS. Find out what it is about. If you ever realize you were deceived, we will be waiting with open arms.
 
TruthLiving said:
So every ordinance, the authority to act in the church is there, and best of all to me the name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
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I’m Dr. RebeccaJ, yup, the title makes me a Dr.

Mormons prey on the gullible.
 
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