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mtolympus said:
“Be believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost”
-Joseph Smith

I have said many times that we believe they are one in authority and purpose, not in substance. We pray to the Father, “the only true God” the same God to whom Jesus prayed. We believe in the one God that Paul believes in: “to us there is but one God
the Father,…and one Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor.8:6)

This is not totally truthful. Jesus prayed to the Eternal Father. The Alpha and the Omega. You believe in a god who was once a human. So, no…it was not the same God.

I have never been taught in Church that we believe in three Gods. The following is what I believe explained as simply as I can:

Yet McKonkie taught that the LDS believes in many many gods…

There are three members of the Godhead. They are one God deriving authority from the Father to do the will of the Father.

I use the word “if” to be polite as a guest on your website. I am only trying to explain what I believe.
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Going to heaven has nothing to do with being “Mormon”. At the time of Christ, being called a Christian was a derogatory description of a person but became a complementary term of identification. Being called a “Mormon” was also a derogatroy way to identify and destinguish a person from the “Christian” faith. To Latter-day Saints, Mormon continues to have a little bit of a negative conotation. Mormon was one of the last prophets that lived anciently on this, what we now call the American continent. He compiled the records of his people (that covered almost 1,000 years) into what we have today “The Book of Mormon”. Mormon was not the author but the compiler of this record. We are called Mormon’s today because of the Book of Mormon. The name of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Many of the LDS (the abreviated name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) still identify themselves as Mormons (as do I) because the world, in general, is more familiar with that name and it is easier (yes, I tend to be lazy) to refer to Mormon than to go thruough a sermon to correct anyone for the improper use of the name. It is much easier to say I am LDS, Latter-day Saint, or Mormon than to say, "I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I began by stating that Going to heaven has nothing to do with being “Mormon”. Going to heaven has everything to do with the Atonement of Jesus Christ and following in His footsteps. And what does it mean to follow in his footsteps? To members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (see how cumbersome that is rathing than just saying Mormon or LDS) it is to obey His commandments. I know that to many in the Christian community obedience to His commandments is not an issue for salvation - all you need to do is believe. (Mormons also believe that all you need to do is believe but we believe that to believe one must obey His commandments - faith and works together; see James.) If this is so, the question becomes what are His commandments? And, does everyone have to practice this same devotion of obedience to get into heaven? As LDS, we believe that everyone will be judged by the same “rules”. We will not be asked (if we are asked this at all), do you believe in Mormon - We may be asked, however, do you believe in Jesus Christ. The Mormon church does not have a Mormon priesthood. The priesthood that was restored through the prophet Joseph Smith was called - in the New Testament - the priesthood “after the order of Melchisedec” (Hebrews 5:10) (Interestingly, Jesus Christ was ordained a priest after this order - as Hebrews 5:10 is speaking of.) We, as LDS, believe that this priesthood was originally called the Priesthood After the Holy Order or God; but because of ancient irreverant references to this name it was changed to be named after the great priest Melchisedec. We believe that a person must be baptised by proper authority, which now is the Priesthood after the Order of Melchisedec. We believe that all holy ordinances must be administered by this same authority. And who must be baptised by this authority, everyone who enters into the kingdom of God - heaven. So, it is not the Mormon priesthood that will save an individual. It is the Priesthood after the Holy Order of God that is now called the Melchisedec Priesthood.
 
Timeless_Man said:
The Mormon church does not have a Mormon priesthood. The priesthood that was restored through the prophet Joseph Smith was called - in the New Testament - the priesthood “after the order of Melchisedec” (Hebrews 5:10) (Interestingly, Jesus Christ was ordained a priest after this order - as Hebrews 5:10 is speaking of.) We, as LDS, believe that this priesthood was originally called the Priesthood After the Holy Order or God; but because of ancient irreverant references to this name it was changed to be named after the great priest Melchisedec. We believe that a person must be baptised by proper authority, which now is the Priesthood after the Order of Melchisedec. We believe that all holy ordinances must be administered by this same authority. And who must be baptised by this authority, everyone who enters into the kingdom of God - heaven. So, it is not the Mormon priesthood that will save an individual. It is the Priesthood after the Holy Order of God that is now called the Melchisedec Priesthood.
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The “Melchizedek Priesthood” is an invention of Joseph Smith. Jesus Christ is the High Priest like Melchizedek:Hebrews 7:15-19, Genesis 14:18-20. (A King-Priest Melchizedek appears and gives Abram bread and wine; then blesses Abram. A King-Priest who suddenly appears with no genealogy; no parents or children. Christ is the new High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. He abolishes the Levitical priesthood and the law. They were abolished because the law did not bring man into close communication with God.)

Hebrews 7:20-25 (Through Christ there is a better covenant because he is the eternal high priest in the order of Melchizedek.)

Christ is the High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. He had no beginning and no end. Just as Melchizedek brought bread and wine, Christ is feeding his flock through his flesh and blood in the new covenant. This food we call Eucharist.
 
Stephen168 said:
The “Melchizedek Priesthood” is an invention of Joseph Smith. Jesus Christ is the High Priest like Melchizedek:Hebrews 7:15-19, Genesis 14:18-20. (A King-Priest Melchizedek appears and gives Abram bread and wine; then blesses Abram. A King-Priest who suddenly appears with no genealogy; no parents or children. Christ is the new High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. He abolishes the Levitical priesthood and the law. They were abolished because the law did not bring man into close communication with God.)

Hebrews 7:20-25 (Through Christ there is a better covenant because he is the eternal high priest in the order of Melchizedek.)

Christ is the High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. He had no beginning and no end. Just as Melchizedek brought bread and wine, Christ is feeding his flock through his flesh and blood in the new covenant. This food we call Eucharist.
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Stephen168 said:
The “Melchizedek Priesthood” is an invention of Joseph Smith. Jesus Christ is the High Priest like Melchizedek:Hebrews 7:15-19, Genesis 14:18-20. (A King-Priest Melchizedek appears and gives Abram bread and wine; then blesses Abram. A King-Priest who suddenly appears with no genealogy; no parents or children. Christ is the new High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. He abolishes the Levitical priesthood and the law. They were abolished because the law did not bring man into close communication with God.)

Hebrews 7:20-25 (Through Christ there is a better covenant because he is the eternal high priest in the order of Melchizedek.)

Christ is the High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek. He had no beginning and no end. Just as Melchizedek brought bread and wine, Christ is feeding his flock through his flesh and blood in the new covenant. This food we call Eucharist.
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While there may be well-intentioned Mormons, the fact remains that Mormons are not Christians (the Catholic Church does not recognize their baptism as valid).

In my opinion, Joseph Smith was a lunatic and a heretic for claiming to recieve golden plates from an angel (or was it a demon) called Moroni. Joseph Smith was also a sexual predator (he seduced 16 year old Lucy Walker) and he ended up dying in a hail of bulltes during a gun battle with rival Mormons at a jail in Carthage, Illinois, where he had been imprisoned for destroying a rival Mormon’s printing press. Eastern Protestants found Smith’s heresies so intolerable that they kicked the Mormon’s out to the salt flats of Utah.

I find it convenient to think of the Mormons, Scientologists and Freemasons as just different shades of the occult. In these occult secret societies, the lower echelons and degrees know very little about what occurs upstairs, unless they are vetted. The lower levels usually engage in occult acitivites that are popularly termed “white magic” (Hubbard, for instance, seems to have borrowed many concepts from “Cosmic Christians” like Rudolf Steiner and from notorious occultist Helena Blavatsky) while the upper echelons MUST worship Satan to maintain their power.

It is actually quite scary to think that the next President could be a member of the Mormon cult.
 
I’ve never understood the “it is finished” defense.

Then came Paul. So not quite finished.
 
Timeless_Man said:
As a member of the LDS church (I am a convert), one of the fundemental truths I have learned about people and their beliefs - and the religion and others - is that our understanding is based primarily on our prejudices (prejudice as in pre-judging).

We are all guilty of this ignorance. I have had many come to me with the question “What do Mormon’s believe”. Sometimes it is an honest question but usually it is an attempt to “bait” me to listen to some of the most unbelieveable doctrinal and practice errors that about my religion. I have tried to respond with “We do not believe anything like that”; upon which the “questioneer” responds with “Oh, yes you do”. I am more than willing to have a civil discussion with anyone that is interested in learning the truth of what the LDS church teaches, practices, and believes but I have grown weary of the futility of reasoning with prejudice and ignorance. That said! I can comfortably say that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (I speak of the teachings, practices, and believes of the church) respects all religions and people who live and teach principles taught by Jesus Christ - namely to live the two great commandment. Is that respect limited to Christians only? No!

Whether you are Catholic, Baptist, Luthern, Methodist, LDS, etc., we each can defend our beliefs with the Bible. And to those who may not share those same beliefs we may express “how can you believe such a thing”. We LDS respect other faiths but we, obviously, do not agree with some of their doctrine.

One of the responses in this forum was that Joseph Smith was told by the Lord that all churches - at that time - were in error But that is what every church teaches about every other church otherwise there would be no “other” churches. If all Christian denominations that believed all Christian churche true - as long as they believed the same fundemental principles, why not combine churches. The majority of Christian churches struggle financially to pay the rent, utilities, and the salaries of the church employees and to fill their houses of worship with worshipers.

Why not combine their resources by combining their congregations. There would be more believers in fewer buildings and the economy of resource would probably permit those larger - but fewer - congregations to do much more in the way of service to the poor and needy. What I observe is that most Christian churches have fund raising projects to pay the rent and utilities and the minister’s (Pastor, Priest, etc.) salary but do very little in the way of true Christian charity.

I know that the beliefs of the LDS church are strange to those outside of the faith. I have observed that this “strangeness” is a barrier to most people to look objectivly at our beliefs. In response to this “strangeness”, I think of what was revealed to Isaiah and Paul: For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act." Isaiah 28:21

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are aperfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath "revealed them unto us by his Spirit : for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man "knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God bknoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God ; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth ; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man breceiveth not the things of the Spirit of God : for they are foolishness unto him : neither can he "know them, because they are 'spiritually "discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him ? But we have the mind of Christ. 1st Corinthians 2:6-16 The Lord’s work and acts have always been strange to those who do not understand or seek for understanding.

As Paul said “we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of the world, that come to nought…” Perhaps some of you that may read my comments may help me in my understanding - or misunderstanding - how does one receive “understanding” of those sacred principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ by the wisdom of the world? You may respond that all one has to do is read the Bible. But among those who restrict their Christian beliefs to the Bible, there is so much confusion, decension, and disagreement that the Bible alone cannot be the answer. Many observe that they cannot understand how anyone can believe the doctrine of the LDS church generally and the Book of Mormon specificially - your observation can be expressed as that the beliefs of the LDS church are foolishness.

I refer to what Paul said, "But the natural man (I would understand the natural man as being anyone that would rely on the “the wisdom of the world, that come to nought) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him…”. Yes! the things of God have always been strange and foolish to the world and they have been rejected because man has always had a problem seeing beyond their prejudice and did not seek for the inspiration of God for the “wisdom of God”.

Many years ago I was listening to a Christian radio broadcast where two pastors from different Christian sects were discussing with the shows host - who was also a Christian of a still another Christian belief - the question of the godhead: was the Father and Son and Holy Ghost three-in-one (I don’t know how to express this otherwise without writing a long liturgy). The two pastors were of the belief that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were the same being; the host believed they were three separate (no, the host was not LDS). They went back and forth with Biblical verses to support their individual beliefs.

The conversation was becoming a little warm and, it was obvious the host was becoming frustrated with the lack of agreement for which all “Christians” should be in agreement. During the discussion, one of the “pastors” profiled those who would believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost could possibly be three separate individuals.

The profile included the following: They would believe in modern day prophets They would believe in other scripture other than the Bible They believe the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate individuals And the list went on and on. It was obvious to whom they were profiling - the LDS church.

But what I found very interesting is that at that moment the host announced that he believed the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were separate individuals and asked the pastors does that make me a cult member (oh yea, the profile was to identify cults). That is when the discussion began to be warm. The pastors never accused the host of being a cult but included him into the Christian community.

I said, to the radio, “hey, how can you call the LDS church a cult because we believe the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct individuals but give the host a pass? Where is your consistancy?”. Oh well, so much for objectivity. In an attempt to throw an olive branch to the host, at the conclusion of the discussion, one of the said (and I thought this was beautiful), “Well, I guess the only way we shall really know is that if God reveals it”. Again I addressed the radio, “Yea, Yes, You are beginning to understand - but God has revealed it. The age of confusion of who God is, who the Son of God is, and who the Holy Ghost is is now resolved”. His strange ways!
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Why not combine their resources by combining their congregations. There would be more believers in fewer buildings and the economy of resource would probably permit those larger - but fewer - congregations to do much more in the way of service to the poor and needy. What I observe is that most Christian churches have fund raising projects to pay the rent and utilities and the minister’s (Pastor, Priest, etc.) salary but do very little in the way of true Christian charity.
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Where does your tithing money go? I see lots of buildings, where is the giving for the poor? And I am not talking about tithe paying poor Mormons. I mean generally. The Catholic Church gives throughout the world with no concern about the religious beliefs or none of those who need help.

And priests are paid (a laborer is worthy of his hire) but they certainly do not become rich.
 
Miriam1947 said:
I am much more scared that Obama remain president than that a Mormon becomes one.
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👍👍👍

Mitt Romney was not my first choice but I pray that he will be elected. Besides, he has a strong Catholic running mate. They are both moral men.
 
Bezant said:
  1. How do Mormons view the Bible, especially in relation to the Book of Mormon? Does one take precedence over the other? Is Mormonism sola scriptura? How much weight is given to Joseph Smith’s writings and interpretation of the Bible?
  2. Can non-Mormons go to heaven? How long does it take to become a Mormon, and what does the process entail? What if a Mormon left the church – what would happen to him from the community’s perspective?
Thanks
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  1. They view the Bible as being the word of God, AS LONG AS IT IS TRANSLATED CORRECTLY. The Book of Mormon, as said by the founder (Prophet) Joseph Smith to be “the most perfect book on the face of the earth”. Yet the church has made numerous edits to it. Mormonism is Scripture and Works, like the Catholic Church. Joseph’s Smith’s writings are another Scripture of Mormonism. 4 things that compile LDS Scripture: Bible, Book Of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants (JS writings) and Pearl of Great Price )JS Writings). Non Mormons go to heaven but not the Celestial world where God lives. There’s 2 different levels: Celestial, where God lives and where faithful Mormons go to become god’s of other planets. The Terrestrial level where people like Catholic, Protestants, Christians, and Mormons who hand’t had all their Temple Work done. This is where Jesus lives. Then the Telestial world where murderers, adulterers, etc. go. This is where the Holy Spirit lives. They do not believe in a Hell like we do but a place called outer darkness, literally in Mormon teaching a black whole, where apostate Mormons go. The Telestial world is the worst place someone could go, besides outer darkness, and Joseph Smith said it was so wonderful (paradise) it made him think about killing himself to get there. Gives you perspective of what they thing the Celestial world is. (By the way, they believe God has a body of flesh and bone because he was a man on another planet and followed the Mormon church over there in order to become a god) Takes as long as you need to become LDS. Usually meeting with missionaries and basic beliefs. BUT the missionaries will not teach you the “exaltation” doctrine which is faithful Mormons who have all their temple work done become LITERAL GODS OF OTHER PLANETS. And numerous other doctrines that expose the church. If you leave the Mormon church, you are an apostate. You are not shunned but most cases are such. You can, if you wish, rejoin. But, if you have family that’s LDS, usually they will not speak to you much. Please, before you consider becoming Mormon, read the REAL doctrines and not the sugar-coated doctrines the missionaries teach. Please take into account the words of Joseph Smith their founder "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet . . . " (History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 408-409). Sound like a Prophet or man who wants to glorify God? I think not. Also, many false prophecies came from Joseph Smith and his successors who are considered Prophets. This is what Brigham Young (JS’s successor) said “Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?..when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 271) Also, there are 3+ different versions of the First Vision, which by modern Mormon Prophets is said to be what the church hinges on, and all of them differ greatly from another. Another thing is JS’s mother kept a detailed journal. The time period Joseph Smith said he saw his First Vision, his mother wrote NOTHING about it. You’d think there would be some mention of such a glorious thing. Just please, look over the facts.THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THEM AS CHRISTIAN. NEITHER DO MANY PROTESTANTS.
 
Bill_Pick said:
Is Mormonism Cristiam ???
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Define “Christian”. If it is following just some guy named “Christ”, then yes.

But, if it is following the True Christ, Son of the Eternal Father, then no…they are not Christians.
 
OK! I’m not a grammarian; but “impossible”? Oh, give me a break! Perhaps difficult to a grammarian but certainly not “impossible”. I look forward to your editing my posts: that can be part of your humanatarian contribution. You can take my writing from “impossible” to a work of art - a miracle. I like miracles!

Why are you concerned about what the LDS church does with tithing money? As far as humanitarian aid is concerned, the Church does a lot a humanitarian work and aid.
 
Timeless_Man said:
OK! I’m not a grammarian; but “impossible”? Oh, give me a break! Perhaps difficult to a grammarian but certainly not “impossible”. I look forward to your editing my posts: that can be part of your humanatarian contribution. You can take my writing from “impossible” to a work of art - a miracle. I like miracles!

Why are you concerned about what the LDS church does with tithing money? As far as humanitarian aid is concerned, the Church does a lot a humanitarian work and aid.
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I agree with you. I think we’re going down a rabbit trail with these arguments. But I agree with the previous poster that the language used, that of 16th century British English, tends to obfuscate, rather than elucidate.

I would rather stick to the main arguments here, not out of hate or vindication, but out of a desire that “all would be one, as the Father and I are One”.

My main question for LDS followers, is one of authority. Exactly when did the Catholic Church forfeit its authority, given by Christ? Give me a year or at least a century. This would tell us which doctrines are false and which are true. What events led to this loss of authority? Was it before or after the Nicene Creed was declared in the 4th century? Was it before or after the doctrine of the Eucharist was evidenced in the writings of Justin Martyr in the early 2nd century?
 
To TexasKnight:

“In all honesty, Mormons do not truly believe in the Bible. Anytime someone says, “I believe, but…”, they really do not believe.”

My reply:

What arrogance! To dictate what another believes or does not believe. “Mormons” believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Is this statement unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? No!

There are problems with translating any document from one language to another. It is almost impossible - if not absolutly impossible - to do a perfect translation. How many versions of the Bible are there? What is the purpose of so many versions; is it not an attempt to produce a better (more accurate) translation? And how many Bible believers can you ask their understanding of the same Biblical scripture and not hear different “interpretations” or understandings?

To be repetitious, if the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, there would be only one Christian church and there would be no disagreement, among Christians, as to the mean-ing of every verse of scripture. But that is not reality.

Is the Bible the complete Word of God? It is not and this is according to the Bible. The next few verses - I hope - will make my point:

Jesus to the twelve: “…all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto
you.” (John 15:15)
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	“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them 
                            now.  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide
                            you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever
                            he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to 
	come.”				(John 16:12-13)
After the Forty day ministry, of Jesus, to his disciples:
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	“There are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if
                             they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world
                             itself could not contain the books that should be written.”
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If Jesus had made known “all things that [He] heard of [His] Father” unto his disciples, whey were there “many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth…”, why would there then be things that the disciples could not bear that the Spirit of truth would “guide” them to?

I cannot begin to imagine the wonderful things Jesus taught and the did during His forty day ministry, after His resurrection, that we have only a very brief record of. According to John, if all could be written, “the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.” We do know that the forty day ministry and the experience of the Pentecost had a profound transformation on the disciples - I believe they were fed the meat of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Paul expressed a similar position as Jesus’ teachings to the apostles - “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.” Paul told the saints in Corinth, “I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?..” (1 Corinthians 3:2-3)

Isaiah recorded, “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall be make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little…” (Isaiah 28:9-10)

The gospel is taught “precept upon precept; line upon line…here a little, and there a little”.
And who is still being fed milk at the breast? We all are - LDS, Catholics, Lutherns, Baptists, etc." I believe that one of the problems with being fed milk is that we love and are satisfied with the milk that we continue at the breast.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Lattr-day Saints believs the Bible to be the word of God; in some respects more than any other Christian church because we believe, according to the Saviour’s own words, there is much more to be revealed.

I hope you will check your arrogance at the door and when a Latter-day Saint tells you they believe the Bible to be the word of God you will not assume they don’t because they do not believe the same as you. I suppose that if you believe “Mormons” do not believe the Bible to be the word of God because we do not believe what you believe, then you must reject everyone that does not believe the way you believe - which means you are the only one that believes the Bible to be the word of God.

We also believe that which was revealed by the Lord to Amos: “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7) The prophets of God have never been held in high regard - even among their own. Nothing has changed. The Lord continues to “revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets” and most continue to turn their head in disbelief.
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 Whereefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men , and scribes; and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city...O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stoneth them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, andye would not!"  (Matthew 23:34-37)
Nothing changes until we are ready to make and/or accept change and the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ is to change man.

Enjoy your milk. By the way, milk comes in a variety of versions: buttermilk, 4%, 2%, 1%, fat free, coconut milk, goat milk, etc. God invites you to the table to experience the meat.
 
Timeless_Man said:
“Mormons” believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Is this statement unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? No!
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So, which part(s) aren’t correct? Who makes that determination from the mormon church? Smith, or any other mormon for that matter, doesn’t have any business questioning anyone’s interpretation/translation of the Bible when you take into consideration his translation of a funeral scroll into the book of Abraham.
Timeless_Man said:
There are problems with translating any document from one language to another. It is almost impossible - if not absolutly impossible - to do a perfect translation. How many versions of the Bible are there? What is the purpose of so many versions; is it not an attempt to produce a better (more accurate) translation? And how many Bible believers can you ask their understanding of the same Biblical scripture and not hear different “interpretations” or understandings?
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Different versions of the Bible are for a couple of reasons. Luther took out 7 books, and the JW’s basically wrote their own. Your premise fails.
 
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