I will answer the former, but in the meantime, my question is unanswered. Are the soul of plants and animals material? A simple ‘yes’, ‘no’, ‘I do not know’, or ‘I don’t know’. If you do not know, who can answer the question?
[BIBLEDRB]Genesis1:21[/BIBLEDRB] The scripture says each creature was brought forth abundantly after their own kind. The preposition ‘after’ addresses ‘their own kind’.
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Soooooo, Alex, if the souls of plants and animals are not, material and are immaterial, per EWTN, are they not then Eternal?
A) I don’t really care what EWTN says right now, so “appealing to authority” is a logical fallacy that I am rejecting. (I really don’t mean this to be as harsh as it sounds.)
I don’t know. You haven’t heard Fred cry out when he wants some attention. I can’t imagine the howling he’ll praise!
A little harsh, but only a little. I clearly stated this was not an appeal to authority. Gosh! Allow me to quote myself, " I will not attribute to the EWTN the providence of definitively dictating Catholic Doctrine." Ergo, not argumentum ad verecundiam.
Nor do I.No. If you use to support your position, that is great and kinda why I am here. However, if you are using scripture to prove me wrong, that is Bible Bashing. Apparently, ‘bigotry’ is a bad word on this forum, so I won’t use the word ‘bigotry’, but when the unwise and doctrinally incorrect words of even our Church leaders is used to portray the Church Doctrine as a whole, add to that a bunch of insecurity and self-righteousness, yech. There are going to be obvious and interesting different interpretations of scripture between the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. That makes for a lively discussion. Even fun and can be very spiritual as we pray and ponder what makes for correct interpretation.
As sacred tradition, we do not subscribe to sacred tradition. (For obvious reasons). I, am however interested in all facets of human belief, I just don’t appreciate having my faith demeaned, just as I am sure you don’t. I don’t think I am being unreasonable.
The soul comprises the intellect and will of mankind. Plants and animals do not have a soul. They are animated by the life giving spirit of God, but they do not possess a soul. I think the author of the EWTN article is going a bit far in describing the animating spirit within an animal as the soul. Even scripture distinguishes between spirit and soul.
So when it speaks of creatures, “under the earth and in the sea” and continues on in verse 14 speaking of the four beasts, are you saying it is referring to the bones of martyred saints and angels?
Without getting in the middle of your discussion with Porknpie, I would just like to know how you are reading the book of Revelation. John had a vision, he wasn’t reporting the news. Visions cannot be taken literally. An example would be Peter’s vision of the unclean animals. It wasn’t about unclean animals at all, but rather the Gentiles. When Revelation speaks of the four beasts, do you really believe it is about four beasts or something a little more profound?So when it speaks of creatures, “under the earth and in the sea” and continues on in verse 14 speaking of the four beasts, are you saying it is referring to the bones of martyred saints and angels?
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Is the seas are on earth and it’s 5:13. Key word is “and”.So when it speaks of creatures, “under the earth and in the sea” and continues on in verse 14 speaking of the four beasts, are you saying it is referring to the bones of martyred saints and angels?
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I highly recommend that our Mormon brothers amd sisters especially, read Michael Barbers book. You are also missing, and more important than Fido, that one the very first Catholics, St. John, is speaking about the Catholic Mass in Revelation.
In these versus just as it is written, with no twisting of the words to fit preconceived notions.
Sure they can and they are all the time. Stephen saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God. Was this literal. Saul on the road to Damascus fell to the earth and heard the Lords voice. Was this figurative? And time fails me or I might mention many others. Suficeth to say, that visions may be literal or figurative. Many times the vision is literal but the explination is hidden in figurative language. The key is knowing which is which.
More profound then countless saved beings and forms praising God from ten thousand time ten thousand earths? No.
Preconceived by Joseph Smith who changed angelic creatures in heaven to mean earthly beasts in heaven by leaving out a few words here and there.
On the 15th of this month I’m having my two hogs, Red and Fred, slaughtered. To make sure Red and Fred get to heaven should I have Mormon missionaries baptize them before the 15th, or could they do it in the temple after the hogs are in my freezer? Which level of heaven do really good hogs go to? Are hogs good by instinct or do they reason what is good?