Marcion was a Catholic or he could not have been excommunicated in the first place. Been excommunicated does not render a Catholic non-Catholic.
I see. I, not being a RC. thought Christs admonishment to treat those who are unrepentant of certain moral crimes as a ‘gentile and a tax-collector’ meant they were no longer members of the church. Thank for your correction.
I think this is the ongoing problem with Mormon teachers. They are flawed to begin with to think that Christ, the Eternal Word, Logos, could be somehow mistaken and set up a false priesthood.
No ma’am, we do not think that Christ was mistaken and set up a false priesthood. That is man’s doing.
And also, the belief in undocumented or questionable claims by Joseph Smith.
The claims of Joseph Smith are highly documented and have never been rebuked. While they may be difficult to accept, making them subjectively questionable, they are equally inspired and testified of by the Holy Spirit.
There is this propensity among Mormon teachers to misinterpret or twist documented Catholic Church history
,I strive to suppress the ‘propensity’ you speak of, and have no problem admitting error.
our early Church fathers, and the books of Scripture, as well as being inclined to believe in teachings declared heretical as in the case of Origin – who likewise always submitted his writings to the Church for discernment and approval…or disapproval.
Sister, ain’t it annoying when that happens!? However, my statement with regards to this is
not to be understood in such light.
I read recently a priest’s answer to a Mormon regarding Marcion, and it reflected how the Mormons misunderstood this teacher and the books of Scripture.
Pray tell, what was that?
There is something in the Mormon construct to believe in things we cannot believe, and twist or omit or invert that what we do believe in.
Again!? I
hate it when ‘they’ do that!
It is dubious to claim Marcion was the first compiler of the NT, at best. First of all, he rejected the Hebrew Bible (OT). By doing so he was the first to separate the OT from the NT. He then added to St. Paul’s writings, that were in use in the Church, to his own writings.
Read Kathleen’s words above. No, really. I hate it when people read into my work things not only I did not say, but that someone with half-a-brain can see was not in my original statement. I will assume you have half-a-brain, so I can only assume you do this on purpose. I said, “The first
compiler of note, as i recall was Marcion, an excommunicate as i recall.”
The predicate ‘compiler of note’ means just that and only that. It does not mean he was ‘the compiler’, a ‘good compiler’, or even a ‘bad compiler’. It means he compiled Scripture, and he is literally the first one on known, or ‘of note’.
By the Church’s rejection, it is also rejected by all Christian denomination that have split from the Catholic Church. Mormonism uses the Church’s canon, minus the books that were removed from the OT by the Protestants.
First, the point is the first compiler of record was not acting under the auspices of the RC. Another point, technically, we use the Thirty-nine Articles of 1563 that the Church of England confirmed as canon the 27 Books of the New Testament.
So the fact still remains, Mormons are using the Canon of the Catholic Church,
As per previously stated, no we did not.
As per previously stated, I never made that claim. Making Mormonism one of many religious groups that accept the canon,
which comes from Catholic Sacred Tradition, including the Councils which were convened under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Again, the above, no we, and others, do not.
That is three for three wrong.
). I, am however interested in all facets of human belief, I just don’t appreciate having my faith demeaned, just as I am sure you don’t. I don’t think I am being unreasonable.
, but also that i would agree with you. In essense, anything inspired of God (which would be via the Holy Spirit) would be Sacred. I would add the caveat that you can only know if Scripture or Tradition is Sacred if the Holy Spirit tells you it is Sacred, making the technical argument circular, i.e., Sacred Tradition is Sacred because the Sacred Tradition says it is (technically speaking the Holy Spirit, as an Entity that operates by Faith cannot be used as a vehicle to ‘prove’ an argument). We, obviously, do not feel the Holy Spirit makes such a testimony, therefore do not have these traditions, which if we did we would be RC.