MERGED: Scholas and the OF/Gregorian Chant

[h1478971]

What parts of the OF can a schola chant in melismatic Gregorian chant?

 

[a83192]

Can the different sets of the Gregorian Chant settings such as Mass IX Missa cum Jubilo for example and the Orbis Factor Setting be used in the OF besides what Paul VI put down in a document in I believe 1973 which was mainly the Missa de Angelis setting? I don’t remember the name now of the document.

 

[JGMendes4049]

What parts of the OF can a schola chant in melismatic Gregorian chant?

The propers and the ordinary: the Introit, the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Gradual, the Sequence if applicable, the Alleluia or Tract, the Credo, the Offertory, the Sanctus, the Mysterium Fidei, the Amen, the Pater Noster, the Agnus Dei, and the Communion. Pretty much the same as in the EF.

 

[OraLabora]

The licit source for the Gregorian chants of the OF is the Graduale Romanum of 1973.

The Missa de Angelis (which I don’t consider to be true Gregorian chant, particularly the Kyrie and Gloria) is only one of the approved settings. All 18 settings for the Kyriale are approved for the OF and are currently used in the OF, particularly in Benedictine abbeys. In addition there are various settings for the Credo and ad libitum settings for the Kyrie and Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus.

The OF did not abrogate Gregorian chant.

There is also the Graduale Simplex which contains simplified Gregorian chants for smaller churches.

 

[OraLabora]

The propers and the ordinary: the Introit, the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Gradual, the Sequence if applicable, the Alleluia or Tract, the Credo, the Offertory, the Sanctus, the Mysterium Fidei, the Amen, the Pater Noster, the Agnus Dei, and the Communion. Pretty much the same as in the EF.

Exactly, all that is found in the Graduale Romanum. Most of the chants are identical to the EF but rearranged for the different liturgical year, and the addition of more readings from the gospel of Mark.

And that’s exactly what the abbey I am affiliated with does, in the OF.

 

[jkarp]

Can the different sets of the Gregorian Chant settings such as Mass IX Missa cum Jubilo for example and the Orbis Factor Setting be used in the OF besides what Paul VI put down in a document in I believe 1973 which was mainly the Missa de Angelis setting? I don’t remember the name now of the document.

I’m guessing that you’re referring to Jubilate Deo, which was propagated by Pope Paul VI in 1974 as the minimum repertoire of chant that the faithful should know. It includes simple selections of chant from the various settings that have been used throughout the ages: Kyrie from Mass XVI, Gloria from Mass VIII, Credo III, Sanctus XIII, Agnus Dei XVIII, along with simple, well-known chant hymns. As this is a minimum repertoire, it certainly leaves room for continued use of the other music of the Church’s ancient tradition.

 

[FatHead]

Can the different sets of the Gregorian Chant settings such as Mass IX Missa cum Jubilo for example and the Orbis Factor Setting be used in the OF besides what Paul VI put down in a document in I believe 1973 which was mainly the Missa de Angelis setting? I don’t remember the name now of the document.

woah. Jubilate Deo, was the minumum. By no means was it trying to limit chant, it was trying to expand it’s usage.

 

[FatHead]

The propers and the ordinary: the Introit, the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Gradual, the Sequence if applicable, the Alleluia or Tract, the Credo, the Offertory, the Sanctus, the Mysterium Fidei, the Amen, the Pater Noster, the Agnus Dei, and the Communion. Pretty much the same as in the EF.

this is the normitave and preffered way to sing the mass. hymns are not part of the mass.

 

[MarkThompson]

this is the normitave and preffered way to sing the mass.

Not really. Content-wise, for instance, the Responsorial Psalm is normative, and the Gradual is only a possible, though not preferred, substitution. Likewise, although you could have a schola chant all these parts, the Church greatly prefers that the congregation be invited to participate in many if not all of these parts. To give only two examples, it is flat-out impermissible to reserve the Mysterium Fidei or the Pater Noster to the choir: the former is a response assigned to the people, and as to the latter the GIRM states, “The Priest pronounces the invitation to the prayer, and all the faithful say the prayer with him.” Similarly, concerning the Sanctus, the GIRM explains, “This acclamation, which constitutes part of the Eucharistic Prayer itself, is pronounced by all the people with the Priest,” and again as to the Kyrie it says, “Since it is a chant by which the faithful acclaim the Lord and implore his mercy, it is usually executed by everyone, that is to say, with the people and the choir or cantor taking part in it.”

 

[FatHead]

Not really. Content-wise, for instance, the Responsorial Psalm is normative, and the Gradual is only a possible, though not preferred, substitution. Likewise, although you could have a schola chant all these parts, the Church greatly prefers that the congregation be invited to participate in many if not all of these parts. To give only two examples, it is flat-out impermissible to reserve the Mysterium Fidei or the Pater Noster to the choir: the former is a response assigned to the people, and as to the latter the GIRM states, “The Priest pronounces the invitation to the prayer, and all the faithful say the prayer with him.” Similarly, concerning the Sanctus, the GIRM explains, “This acclamation, which constitutes part of the Eucharistic Prayer itself, is pronounced by all the people with the Priest,” and again as to the Kyrie it says, “Since it is a chant by which the faithful acclaim the Lord and implore his mercy, it is usually executed by everyone, that is to say, with the people and the choir or cantor taking part in it.”

no one is saying the people dont sing during the pater noster or mysterium fidei.