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FatHead
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lack of kneelers is not an impedement to kneeling. maybe if they need kneelers to kneel, they should GET kneelers.
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FatHead
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lolBut FatHead, you’re wrong! An ordinary can do whatever his little merry heart desires, if, of course, it is approved by two–thirds of the nation’s bishops and the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments.
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maryjk
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The OP said kneeling during the Eucharistic prayer, not the Consecration. But he could have meant the Consecration.
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WetCatechumen
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You shouldn’t. It’s not in the Syriac tradition to kneel (on Sundays at least).
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105lynne
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Matthew_Holford
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The Consecration is part of the Eucharistic Prayer; not something separate from it.The OP said kneeling during the Eucharistic prayer, not the Consecration. But he could have meant the Consecration.
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Anna_Claire
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The main goal has not changed since stated in Sacrosanctum Concilium. That is
14: “Mother Church earnestly desires that all the faithful should be led to that full, conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebration which is demanded by the very nature of the liturgy.”
In order to reach that goal we all must pray and worship with body,mind,heart and soul to promote a unity that is at the core of our liturgical Spirituality. Choosing to take on a different posture(we are not talking about the handicapped here)or say different words etc is denying that goal and is wrong.
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promethius
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Hmmn… who do I trust? The two conservative bishops who have apostolic authority and who have told me this in person… or some stranger on the internet who treats his personal preferences like rules of the mass?
I think I’ll go with the Bishops, who are quite aware of what their authority is.
Where did you get the idea that the priest has told the OP anything?
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promethius
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I agree. When attending another Rite of the church, blatantly refusing to follow the norms of that rite and how they reverence God is… well… disrespectful.
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wondrousgnat
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In my parish a lot of people, especially younger ones, sit.
I attended mass a couple of times In a parish in nearby town. It had no kneelers, no statues and no stations. The Crucifix was about the size of the one hanging on my neck. I was bothered by it all and asked an acquaintance why. She told me that they wanted Protestant visitors to feel welcome. I told her that you should want visitors to know that we are not like all the other churches. And wouldn’t you want parishoners to realize that we are not like the Protestant church which is within walking distance?
I attended mass a couple of times In a parish in nearby town. It had no kneelers, no statues and no stations. The Crucifix was about the size of the one hanging on my neck. I was bothered by it all and asked an acquaintance why. She told me that they wanted Protestant visitors to feel welcome. I told her that you should want visitors to know that we are not like all the other churches. And wouldn’t you want parishoners to realize that we are not like the Protestant church which is within walking distance?
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Corki
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That’s your interpretation. Various dubium responses from the CDW have downplayed unity of posture as an absolute. In fact the GIRM itself has sections where a variety of postures are allowed - receiving Communion, for example, and praying after Communion. Lack of sameness of posture does not detract from full, conscious and active participaton.
The GIRM does not give a parish permission to adapt a posture of its own that is contrary to that in the GIRM under the guise of unity. One cannot validly choose to be “united” in disobedience.
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hilde_the_dog
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Mathew I agree that is why I wrote obey now and begin to work with the diocese on it as well. We would do well to treat him with full respect and honor and love such as that is due your parents. Patience is required. Humility. What would Christ do - pay the temple tax, take scourge.
Here on CAF there seems to be a lack of docility as properly understood in the RCC.Instead of attacking priests all the time - why not become a priest or canon lawyer. Stop complaining do something constructive.
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TrueLight
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Or flip over tables?
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Matthew_Holford
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I think that I may not have made my last point clear enough. When I said obedience is not blind I mean that we are not to be obedient to anyone under all circumstances. In general we should be obedient to those in certain positions of authority, e.g. our parents, priests, our boss, etc. We, however, are not obliged to follow their authority if they tell us to do something that is wrong.
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Padraig1972
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Listening to your priest is important. He serves the Lord no matter how one look at it.
Why would you not kneel to the Lord?
Why would you not kneel to the Lord?
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OraLabora
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This is incorrect. The Extraordinary Form is in Latin only but the Ordinary Form’s official language is Latin as well. Linguistically, the OF allows approved translations, but the official language of the Mass remains Latin.
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Ohana
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I personally like to kneel during the Eucharistic Prayer. I have been in churches where the congregation stands and it has not felt disrespectful. Posture can be part of our worship, but what is in our heart is more important. If you are in the choir in a modern church, chances are you are at the side of the altar partially facing the congregation. If they sit or stand during the prayer, then to do something different is to call attention away from the Consecration. That would give me pause. If you are attending the Mass as a congregant, then I would continue to kneel. I have been striking my breast during much of this time - it is a private thing. By all means, follow up with finding out what your Bishop has permitted. If correction is needed, it is better coming from him than you. We have to have some charity toward our priests. The “new” liturgy back in the 60"s was not easy for some of them. The current changes may not be either. In the church we were in we were asked to stand because “we are a royal people” and “thanked God” (as we still do) that we are allowed to stand in His Presence". It can be a difference in interpretation, but the focus is still upon God in the Holy Trinity and the sacrifice occurring on the altar.
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MissRose73
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My diocese, it depends on the church. I prefer going to churches that have kneelers as I prefer that posture after the Sanctus to the Pater Noster, etc. I guess I am spoiled from going to EF Masses so often where kneeling is done a lot during the Mass of the Faithful part.
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ConstantineTG
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I’m not going to debate whether standing for consecration in the Roman Mass is right or wrong. But here’s the thing, if you go against what others are doing, you’re putting the focus on yourself and your focus on the others. You have negative feelings towards others because you think they should kneel but they don’t. Others think your weird or an outlaw for not following the directive. The priest may also think this way. All these negative thoughts and emotions and undue focus on petty things during the Consecration!
Do what the others are doing for the sake of peace. If it is wrong, then address it AFTER Mass.
Do what the others are doing for the sake of peace. If it is wrong, then address it AFTER Mass.
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mdgspencer
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You realize quite rightfully that is is better to kneel then. If it is against your conscience to stand, you ought to leave the choir or the parish, which ever works for you. You are involved in an old story everyone has to face during their life, whether conform with whatever others desire for you to do, or instead to do what is right. It is better to please God than men.
I’m a college student going to a “college” Church. I have been going to this Church for about a year now and have been kneeling in the back the whole time I’ve been attending. However, recently I joined the choir and knelt during the Eucharistic prayer there and the Priest noticed. After mass he asked me to come to his office, he told me that he knew I was aware of the norm in “his” Church and felt I was being disrespectful. He said that the Girm was simply a guideline and he didn’t have to follow it according to Canon Law. His phrase specifically was “if it’s not in Canon Law it’s permitted.” I do love going to this Church most of my friends are there and I don’t wish to switch parishes, but I feel so disrespectful standing what should I do?
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