MERGED: The Rock: Peter's Confession?

[fred_conty]

Hello my friend Nicea,
Hope you are well.

Ok, let’s say it is more than just a primacy of honor. Why was this not recognized in the early Church? Why is it that the Council of Nicea determines it necessary to identify the jurisdictions of the various sees, including the see in Rome? I’ve read some of the links provided in similar threads and still can’t wrap my head around this one glaring flaw, as I see it, in the claim of universal jurisdiction (notice, here, I’m speaking about Tradition, and not scripture alone).
And there seems to me no way to inferr infallibility (ex cathedra) in Peter’s reception of the Keys (even if one interprets this as Peter’s alone, and not the whole Church), and again, nothing in the Tradition of the early Church to imply such.

You’re one of the guys I trust here, so I know you won’t be offended by the sharp nature of my post.

Jon

This may help.
St. Irenaeus(140-202),was a disciple of St. Polycarp, who was a disciple of St. John, writer of the fourth Gospel.

“Since Irenaeus witnessed to the faith of the Church early in its history, particular significance attaches to the role he assigned to tradition as the guiding principle in doctrinal matters and in preserving unity among the scattered churches. He describes Christianity as a body of truths handed down from the Apostles, and therefore the test of orthodoxy lies in determining whether disputed points are taught by those churches which through their bishops trace their authority back to the Apostles. Of all such churches, “the greatest and most ancient” is that of Rome, founded by Peter and Paul, and with an unbroken succession of bishops (Irenaeus catalogues them) to guarantee conformity with apostolic tradition. ‘Because of its superior authority all churches must agree with this church’ is Irenaeus’ celebrated key to doctrinal unity and orthodoxy and
his testimony to the Roman primacy.”

Above quotation is taken from History of Catholic Church by Neill Schmandt P.53
He did not reference what work of Irenaeus from which he took this information.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Fred Conty,

Thank you for that excellent quote…

God bless

This may help.
St. Irenaeus(140-202),was a disciple of St. Polycarp, who was a disciple of St. John, writer of the fourth Gospel.

“Since Irenaeus witnessed to the faith of the Church early in its history, particular significance attaches to the role he assigned to tradition as the guiding principle in doctrinal matters and in preserving unity among the scattered churches. He describes Christianity as a body of truths handed down from the Apostles, and therefore the test of orthodoxy lies in determining whether disputed points are taught by those churches which through their bishops trace their authority back to the Apostles. Of all such churches, “the greatest and most ancient” is that of Rome, founded by Peter and Paul, and with an unbroken succession of bishops (Irenaeus catalogues them) to guarantee conformity with apostolic tradition. ‘Because of its superior authority all churches must agree with this church’ is Irenaeus’ celebrated key to doctrinal unity and orthodoxy and
his testimony to the Roman primacy.”

Above quotation is taken from History of Catholic Church by Neill Schmandt P.53
He did not reference what work of Irenaeus from which he took this information.