MERGED: Where are these 40,000 plus Protestant denominations

[Riccardo]

Yes, being invited is right, but it seems that you have never been any where else then to hear the word being preached as so to convict, that a person wants to give their lives to the Lord by washing their sins away and being a new creation in Christ?

The plan of salvation you have not read then? As i quoted.

Ric

 

[Ginger2]

Well, Ging, are you going to point it out for the man or what? :compcoff:

I love it when you think up those cute little pet names for me, Tomster!

 

[Tomster]

I think she already HAS** . . .

You know e-man, when you stop to think about, it can be safely said that the number of Protestant denominations far exceeds the 44,000 mark.

Given the heretical Protestant dogma of private judgment, each individual Protestant is free to interpret Scriptures as he or she sees fit. That being so, each individual Protestant is a church unto himself/herself. There is no authoritative, binding, teaching authority within Protestantism. Oh, there are suggestions as to what one should believe, but, each individual within Protestantism is free to believe what they will and still be a member in good standing with their particular ecclesial communion. Or, if they don’t like what they are hearing in one particular sect, they are free to move on and either start their own sect or just latch on to another one or end up sitting under a tree somewhere trying to figure out what the Bible really says. It’s basically do it yourself Christianity.

Ah, the fatal flaw of Protestantism, private judgment. Every individual is a pope unto themself.

 

[CHESTERTONRULES]

what the posts states is thats its very rare that anyone is convicted outside the church building, rubbish.

Yes, we should be teaching our love ones. But do i teach them just to forget about the sin they have comitted, just repent of it and all will be fine because they were baptized as baby?
I do not read that any where in scripture. Repent and be baptized, washing away your sins, i hear.

Ric

Along those lines:

Rom 3 ESV
21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over** former sins. **

 

[Tomster]

I love it when you think up those cute little pet names for me, Tomster!

My pleasure! :flowers:

 

[Ginger2]

… It has been my experience in the past that Ginger2 sometimes has to consult her pastor or another person.

Well, now that I’ve had a chance to consults with my “pastor or another person” he/she has told me that those cute little pet names you use to refer to me are your way of saying you like me.

I like you, too.

 

[Riccardo]

Perhaps we should scrap the Lords words then, as they have no meaning today as you all point out.
Perhaps we should re write the doctrine of repent and be baptized.

Ric

 

[Ginger2]

My pleasure! :flowers:

Right back atcha, Tomster :flowers:

 

[jmcrae]

You know e-man, when you stop to think about, it can be safely said that the number of Protestant denominations far exceeds the 44,000 mark.

Given the heretical Protestant dogma of private judgment, each individual Protestant is free to interpret Scriptures as he or she sees fit. That being so, each individual Protestant is a church unto himself/herself.

Are you trying to convert people, or just irritate them?

Just because Protestantism doesn’t follow the rules that God gave us, doesn’t mean that they have no rules at all.

That being so, each individual Protestant is a church unto himself/herself.

Any Protestant is just going to look at a statement like this and dismiss everything else that you say, on the basis that you have no idea what you are talking about.

There is no authoritative, binding, teaching authority within Protestantism. Oh, there are suggestions as to what one should believe, but, each individual within Protestantism is free to believe what they will and still be a member in good standing with their particular ecclesial communion.

Actually, it varies. As you’ve already noticed, there are a great many different varieties of Protestantism - some of them are more liberal than others.

 

[jmcrae]

Perhaps we should scrap the Lords words then, as they have no meaning today as you all point out.
Perhaps we should re write the doctrine of repent and be baptized.

Ric

“Repent and be baptized” applies to people who have never been baptized before, and who have the ability to repent. It does not preclude the baptism of infants or of people who have some kind of a disability. Jesus loves them, too.

Should you stop repenting of your sins after you get baptized?

 

[Riccardo]

Baptism means something to the person who does it, they are a new creation in Christ, are you suggesting that a new born is not a new creation at birth, that, that birth is some way faulty?

We have all got the oringnal sin, that leads to death in the flesh, thats from adam. We are born a new when we accept the gospel call.In Christ

Even the COE have realised this, and are baptizing believers in full immersion.
Ric

 

[jmcrae]

Baptism means something to the person who does it, they are a new creation in Christ, are you suggesting that a new born is not a new creation at birth, that, that birth is some way faulty?

They are born into the flesh at birth; not into Christ.

Baptism is how we are born into Christ.

We have all got the oringnal sin, that leads to death in the flesh, thats from adam. We are born a new when we accept the gospel call. In Christ

And how we are born anew is that we are baptized.

Mental assent does not make us into a new creation - Baptism does.

 

[Riccardo]

To add, is so wrong, that say myself who had no idea about baptism at birth, want to be baptized again for to wash the sins that 've comitted in life and so become a new person in Christ?

If thats wrong, then one only gets wet.

Of course we all sin after, then we repent. But at least i knew what i was doing.

If i walk away then, woe unto me, can i crucify christ again, NO!

Ric

 

[Ginger2]

Are you trying to convert people, or just irritate them?

Just because Protestantism doesn’t follow the rules that God gave us, doesn’t mean that they have no rules at all.

Any Protestant is just going to look at a statement like this and dismiss everything else that you say, on the basis that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Actually, it varies. As you’ve already noticed, there are a great many different varieties of Protestantism - some of them are more liberal than others.

Don’t stop him, jmcrae. I like it when he makes comments like that.

And, speaking for myself, it really doesn’t bother me at all, because I have been accused so many times on this forum of sounding like a clone of every other protestant Catholics have met. If we are really so different in our theological thinking, “clone” hardly seems the word one would choose to point it out.

In fact, on this forum and one other I was accused of posing as several different people to give the appearance of unity. LOL I of course demanded an investigation to clear my name. False accusations of dishonesty do bother me. Sadly no one ever apologized.

Ginger

 

[jmcrae]

To add, is so wrong, that say myself who had no idea about baptism at birth, want to be baptized again for to wash the sins that 've comitted in life and so become a new person in Christ?

It is of no effect; you have to go to Confession - not get re-baptized.

If thats wrong, then one only gets wet.

Correct.

Of course we all sin after, then we repent. But at least i knew what i was doing.

Baptism is God’s action, and the Church’s action. It is not your action.

 

[Portrait]

No need to apologize. I spent the weekend with my niece in Wisconsin.

It appears to me, you are reading into the text what you would like it to say

Others spoke before AND after Peter

And James was the last to speak giving James the FINAL SAY

They fell silent to listen to Paul and Banabas. Here’s the text:
11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

12 **And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul **as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

James spoke last. He had the final say as is clear since all discussion ceased after James spoke and said, “It is my judgement”

Dear Ginger,

Cordial greetings and thankyou kindly for your courteous reply to my post.

The discussion that occured prior to St. Peter’s address was, as I stated previously, a sort free-for-all, whilst those that spoke afterwards, SS. Paul and Barnabas simply recounted their apostolical experiences in support of what St. Peter had said. However, both cases are inconsequential as they did not trump St Peter’s decree, actually an impossibility in the former case as St. Peter had not yet uttered it.

St. James had the “final word” since, as the Bishop of Jerusalem, it would have proper to extend him this courtesy. The fact remains, however, that St. Peter was the first to speak in an official and authoritative capacity and settle the question under dispute. Moreover, St. James only endorsed what St. Peter had declared and only provides a practical way of meeting the difficulty which had arisen; but what he added had nothing to do with the doctrinal decision that had alreardy been settled by St. Peter.

As for “all keeping silent”, grammatically this would surely refer to what has proceeded and not what is about follow. St. Peter’s speech evidently had a great impact upon the multitude present, that is for sure. Perhaps someone more learned in the Greek text could advise us here.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Riccardo]

Repent and be baptized is not my action?

Go to confession is bible?

Go to the father is not bible?

Go to Christ is not bible?

But go to the priest is?

My God have mercy on you.

Gal 1:6-9

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Tomster,

I almsot fell out of my chair laughing so hard!

So… we have AT (Apostolic Tradition) and TOTD (Tradition Of The Day), eh? Well, they should be easy to differentiate … one stays the same and the other get contributions from the thousands of Protestant denominations each day!

Enjoyed the post

God bless

See what I mean, e-man? She’s getting tired. It has been my experience in the past that Ginger2 sometimes has to consult her pastor or another person to get her facts straight, you know, she has to get the oral tradition “of the day” from her current pastor’s menu.

Be patient with her, she’ll trip over her own heresy sooner or later. You can count on it.

 

[jmcrae]

Repent and be baptized is not my action?

Right. It is the grace of God, which none of us can buy, or steal, or control.

Go to confession is bible?

Yes. “Go ye now to the priest.” - Jesus.

Go to the father is not bible?

Yes. The Father is with the priest, in the Confessional.

Go to Christ is not bible?

The priest is “in persona Christi” - Christ is in the priest.

But go to the priest is?

Yes. Jesus said, “Go to the priest.”

 

[Ginger2]

Right. It is the grace of God, which none of us can buy, or steal, or control.

Yes. “Go ye now to the priest.” - Jesus.

Yes. The Father is with the priest, in the Confessional.

The priest is “in persona Christi” - Christ is in the priest.

Yes. Jesus said, “Go to the priest.”

Sorry to butt in, but when you say it is in the Bible can you please provide thew reference. Thanks,