"Messiah Dajjal"?

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No i didnt change my mind.

The grave is considered to also be a place where people either suffer for their sins or have pleasure. Not Physically ofcourse. So Jesus bieng an important prophet would have an equivilant of heaven in his grave. Not Physically ofcourse.

Hipe you understand
 
Thanks Meedo, now I understand. Its good to know Jesus wont be in a sex den. :o
 
i still don’t get it…will Jesus die twice?? he already died according to Quran and was elevated to Allah, so how will he die another time??
 
Maybe some of the other earlier prophets (peace be upon them all!)
had a few lives too. I mean be open minded or you will never understand the Muslim mindset is my motto.

Or maybe they have a semi-belief in reincarnation of sorts. How will we understand if we expect this to make sense from our lense?
 
Just saw this Muslim man with the info he gave me. He was very annoyed that Meedo told me it not in Hadiths!!!:mad:

He wants to get onto CAF and have a talk with Meedo!!!

I dont want to start a problem so I told him I cant give him the website info.

HE really got mad!!:mad:

He said it is a big sin in Islam to decieve the one asking …

Meedo- dont worry! I told him I had a computer problem and could not look it up.

:mad:

What is wrong with this guy?
 
Damascus said:
Just saw this Muslim man with the info he gave me. He was very annoyed that Meedo told me it not in Hadiths!!!:mad:

He wants to get onto CAF and have a talk with Meedo!!!

I dont want to start a problem so I told him I cant give him the website info.

HE really got mad!!:mad:

He said it is a big sin in Islam to decieve the one asking …

Meedo- dont worry! I told him I had a computer problem and could not look it up.

:mad:

What is wrong with this guy?
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nothing wrong with this guy cuz i showed the hadiths! didn’t you read them? check back
 
ok here they are:

Sunan Abu Dawud:

Book 37, Number 4281:

Narrated Mu’adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu’adh ibn Jabal).

Book 37, Number 4282:

Narrated Mu’adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months
Book 37, Number 4283:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.
 
inJESUS said:
nothing wrong with this guy cuz i showed the hadiths! didn’t you read them? check back
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Yeah- but I feel bad. Jesus would not like me to be the reason that someone would get … well, unpredictable if really angry. He is really really angry.
I want to protect Meedo.

Can I sin to protect Meedo since Meedo lied to me? :o
 
Maybe Meedo did not know this… I dont know how well Meedo knows his faith-
Heck I dont know much and am depending on Meedo to represent Islam and I am really trying to take a more open minded approach to all this thanks to MR. EX NIHIILO giving me the riot act.

I’m just trying to be a better Catholic. What the heck. I cant win for loosing here.

None the less, Meedo is not my enemy, I dont want to Meedo to get the riot act- its not fun!😦
 
Meedo- Tell me what to do. He walks his dog past my house everyday and I see him at least 3 times a week. He is pretty angry.
 
“According to Ibn Humayd- Yahya b. Wadih- Yahya b. Ya’qub- Hammad- Sa’id b. Jubayr- Ibn Abbas: This world is one of the weeks of the other world - seven thousand years. Six thousand two hundred years have already passed. (The world) will surely experience hundreds of years, during which there will be no believer in the oneness of God there. Others said that the total extent of time is six thousand years.” (Tabari, pp. 172-173)

“Accordin to Abu Hisham- Mu’awiyah b. Hisham- Sufyan- al-A’mash- Abu Salih- Ka’b: This world is six thousand years.”

“According to Muhammad b. Sahl b. 'Askar- Isma’il b. 'Abd al-Karim- 'Abd al-Samad b. Ma’qil I- Wahb: Five thousand six hundred years of this world have elapsed. I do not know which kings and prophets lived in every period (zaman) of those years. I aksed Wahb b. Munabbih: How long is (the total duration of) this world? He replied: Six thousand years.” Tabari, pp. 173-174

According to at-Tabari Muhammad believe that the end of the world was to occur 500 years after his coming:

"According to Hannad b. al-Sari and Abu Hisham al-Rifa’i- Abu Bakr b. 'Ayyash- Abu Hasin- Abu Salih- Abu Hurayrah: The Messenger of God said: When I was sent (to transmit the divine message), I and the Hour were like these two, pointing at his index and middle fingers."Tabari, p. 176

Sahih Muslim:

Book 41, Nb 7044:

This hadith has been reported by Sahl b. Sa’d that he heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I and the Last Hour are (close to each other) like this (and he, in order to explain it) pointed (by joining his) forefinger, (one) next to the thumb and the middle finger (together).

Book 41, Nb 7046:

Shu’ba reported: I heard Qatada and Abu Tayyab narrating that both of them heard Anas as narrating that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I and the Last Hour have been sent like this, and Shu’ba drew his forefinger and middle finger near each other while narrating it.

Book 41, Nb 7049:

Anas reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I and the Last Hour have been sent like this and (he while doing it) joined the forefinger with the middle finger.

At-Tabari comments on the meaning of the Hour being as close as Muhammad’s index and middle fingers:

"Thus, (the evidence permitting) a conclusion is as follows: The beginning of the day is the rise of the dawn, and its end is the setting of the sun. Further, the reported tradition on the authority of the Prophet is sound. As we have mentioned earlier, he said after having prayed the afternoon prayer: What remains of this world as compared to what has passed of it is just like what remains of this day as compared to what has passed of it. He also said: When I was sent, I and the Hour were like these two- holding index finger and middle finger together; I preceded it to the same extent as this one- meaning the middle finger- preceded that one- meaning the index finger. Further, the extent (of time) between the mean time of the afternoon prayer- that is, when the shadow of everything is twice its size, according to the best assumption ('ala al-taharri)- (to sunset) is the extent of time of one-half of one-seventh of the day, give or take a little. Likewise, the excess of the length of the middle finger over the index finger is something about that or close to it. There is also a sound tradition on the authority of the Messenger of God, as I was told by Ahmad b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. Wahb- his paternal uncle 'Abd-allah b. Wahb- Mu’awiyah b. Salih- 'Abd al-Rahman b. Jubayr b. Nufayr- his father Jubayr b. Nufayr- the companion of the Prophet, Abu Tha’labah al-Khushani: The Messenger of God said: Indeed, God will not make this nation incapable of (lasting) half a day- referring to the day of a thousand years.

"All these facts taken together make it clear that of the two statements I have mentioned concerning the total extent of time, the one from Ibn Abbas, and the other from Ka’b, the one more likely to be correct in accordance with the information coming from the Messenger of God is that of Ibn 'Abbas transmitted here by us on his authority: The world is one of the weeks of the other world - seven thousand years.

“Consequently, because this is so and the report on the authority of the Messenger of God is sound- namely, that he reported that what remained of the time of this world during his lifetime was half a day, or five hundred years, since five hundred years are half a day of the days, of which one is a thousand years- the conclusion is that the time of this world that had elapsed to the moment of the Prophet’s statement corresponds to what we have transmitted on the authority of Abu Tha’labah al-Khushani from the Prophet, and is 6,500 years or approximately 6,500 years. God knows best!” (Tabari, pp. 182-183)

Accordingly, the world shuld’ve ended sometime between 1070-1132 AD, approximately 500 years after the birth and death of Muhammad.
 
Meedo- I am sorry, but I have to tell him the truth here. He is very mad. I hope you forgive me.

Good night Meedo.😦
 
Check these :

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 453:

Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Munkadir:

I saw Jabir bin 'Abdullah swearing by Allah that Ibn Sayyad was the Dajjal. I said to Jabir, “How can you swear by Allah?” Jabir said, “I have heard 'Umar swearing by Allah regarding this matter in the presence of the Prophet and the Prophet did not disapprove of it.”

Sunan Abu Dawood, Book 37, Number 4317:

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:

Muhammad ibn al-Munkadir told that he saw Jabir ibn Abdullah swearing by Allah that Ibn as-Sa’id was the Dajjal (Antichrist). I expressed my surprise by saying: You swear by Allah! He said: I heard Umar swearing to that in the presence of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), but the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) did not make any objection to it.

yet:

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

Once Allah’s Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, “I warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. **You should know that he is one-eyed, **and Allah is not one-eyed.”

was the guy one-eyed?

:whacky:

“Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the **antichrist **is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour… Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist-he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” 1 John 2:18, 22-23
 
Damascus said:
Meedo- I am sorry, but I have to tell him the truth here. He is very mad. I hope you forgive me.

Good night Meedo.😦
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what is going on here? just tell the guy that not all people can know all the ahadith and Meedo obviously did not…what kind of neighbors you got who get angry cuz a muslim did not know certain hadiths?:bigyikes:

go sleep in peace :sleep:

😃
 
Because he is trying to convert me!!!

He thinks he is doing a good thing and now he thinks his efforts are nil!

I told him I will never convert!

He said it will happen, and I will see the wisdom!

Now he is mad I got bad info since now he thinks I will think he is a liar.
 
Damascus said:
Because he is trying to convert me!!!

He thinks he is doing a good thing and now he thinks his efforts are nil!

I told him I will never convert!

He said it will happen, and I will see the wisdom!

Now he is mad I got bad info since now he thinks I will think he is a liar.
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LOL. Get ready to convert him to catholicism then 😃 😃
 
inJESUS said:
ok here they are:

Sunan Abu Dawud:

Book 37, Number 4281:

Narrated Mu’adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The flourishing state of Jerusalem will be when Yathrib is in ruins, the ruined state of Yathrib will be when the great war comes, the outbreak of the great war will be at the conquest of Constantinople and the conquest of Constantinople when the Dajjal (Antichrist) comes forth. He (the Prophet) struck his thigh or his shoulder with his hand and said: This is as true as you are here or as you are sitting (meaning Mu’adh ibn Jabal).

Book 37, Number 4282:

Narrated Mu’adh ibn Jabal:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The greatest war, the conquest of Constantinople and the coming forth of the Dajjal (Antichrist) will take place within a period of seven months
Book 37, Number 4283:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Busr:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The time between the great war and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) will be six years, and the Dajjal (Antichrist) will come forth in the seventh.
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well i am sure nothing is wrong with this Muslim man. He just doesnt know much about this subject .

And i didnt lie.

In Jesus. Your quote above proves you dont know enough. Costantinoble will be conquored by muslims TWICE!!! One has happened already amd one is yet to haappen . Muslim scholars believe that at the end of time it will be contrlled by Non muslims.

So i am soirry to say that you and this man are wrong .

Go and do a thorough search and you will find what i told you. If you have access to hadeeth collection talking on the end of times you wil definetly find it.

I am not a liar and dont worry about protecting me Demascus. Just brng him here and let me talk to him.

salam
 
meedo said:
well i am sure nothing is wrong with this Muslim man. He just doesnt know much about this subject .

And i didnt lie.

In Jesus. Your quote above proves you dont know enough. Costantinoble will be conquored by muslims TWICE!!! One has happened already amd one is yet to haappen . Muslim scholars believe that at the end of time it will be contrlled by Non muslims.

So i am soirry to say that you and this man are wrong .

Go and do a thorough search and you will find what i told you. If you have access to hadeeth collection talking on the end of times you wil definetly find it.

I am not a liar and dont worry about protecting me Demascus. Just brng him here and let me talk to him.

salam
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Meedo,

You mean to tell me Islam will spread by conquoring (sword? gun? knife? bomb?) how…else can you conquor unless by force?
Are you admitting Islam plans force to spread and conquor?
 
In Jesus ,

Al Tabari is not an authenticated hadeeth book. and wahb in Munabeh is a man known for reporting many stories from the people of israel as he was a former Jew . Moreover, wahb ibn Munabeh ihas not been a muslim at the time of the prophet. So most likely he never listened to him. Most of what muslims schiolars have is his stories from the OT. He is weekened by authentication scholars many times

''I aksed Wahb b. Munabbih: How long is (the total duration of) this world? He replied: Six thousand years." Tabari, pp. 173-174
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above is the man that i mean . He is a former jew quoting from the Torah. None of the hadeeth you have mentioned in al tabari relate to the prophet in one word . Further nore as i said above, al tabarai si NOT an authenticated book . More over all this w<as his personal opinion which doesnt represent Islam .

But f you look to hadeeth in sahih Muslim you will NEVER find any timing for Judgement day or th eend of times. Yoiu will find a metaphors of how close the prophet is to judgement day .

And to reply to your hadeeth about Ibn Sayyad.

Yes this man was a jew who was suspected to be al Dajjal. Cause he resembled his description in many ways.

Al Dajjal is NOT one eyed!! Al Dajjal has one deformed eye!! with some sort of desiese in it or imperfectoion.

Just because some of the companions were certain for some time that he is the dajjal doesnt mean he is . It is just because he totally resembled his description.

Plus , what you dont know is that Al Dajjal si alive today . Just as Gog and Magog.

So even f he existed at teh tiem of the prophet doesnt mean he began his mission.

So here i am showed you theer is no contradiction in any thing of what you quoted;)

answering Islam site has to do some more homework to confuse a muslim lol .

Tell the man he is wrong and tell him that i am amazed that he doesnt know the for most cases owning a dog is forbidden in Islam !!!:cool:

Tel him to go study well

salam
 
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