Metaphysics meets Morality

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How is it possible to know man as he is? Is it possible that man is known by what he ought to be? And so is the first question incomplete without the second one? You may e-mail me if it is too lengthy.

Optional: If someone can construct any means and polarizations relating to the questions please inspire me with such.
 
How is it possible to know man as he is? Is it possible that man is known by what he ought to be? And so is the first question incomplete without the second one? You may e-mail me if it is too lengthy.

Optional: If someone can construct any means and polarizations relating to the questions please inspire me with such.
It is possible to discover this by asking who it is that is asking the question. The method is hidden and implied in main line meditations, but abstracted, that is ultimately what the question is: who (what) am I? Even in the beginning stage of meditating about relationship with God, ultimately it comes down to what one’s own individuated awareness, as distinguished from the Principle of Consciousness, stems from. Of all ways, this is the oldest, most consistent, and reliable. There are actually shelves of libraries devoted to this idea and its practice. Not well known though! 🙂
 
How is it possible to know man as he is? Is it possible that man is known by what he ought to be? And so is the first question incomplete without the second one? You may e-mail me if it is too lengthy.

Optional: If someone can construct any means and polarizations relating to the questions please inspire me with such.
I suppose this depends on what you mean exactly by the word “know.” I can know scientific facts, but I think you mean something far more vague and introspective if I’m not incorrect…

I think we have to be careful here lest we get caught up in the bewildering opacities and intricate innanities of language here.
 
  1. I suppose this depends on what you mean exactly by the word “know.”…
  2. I think we have to be careful here lest we get caught up in the bewildering opacities and intricate innanities of language here.
  1. I looked through a commentary of Posterior Analytics by S. Thomas Aquainas. If you are familiar, would that aid in your understanding on what I wrote about knowing?
  2. I agree with your caution, perhaps you should not answer. Pope John Paul II when faced with a difficult question in a documented interview entitled “Crossing the Threshold of Hope” had asked to change the terms of the question and then posed his answer. It could of been for a similar issue that you had raised…I don’t have the book with me.
 
It is possible to discover this by asking who it is that is asking the question.
I see goodness in your answer Gaber. I place the above quote to signal the part that mostly likely will be in my memory. I say this because it reflects the method of Socrates. Not to say that I can find a principle and then formulate it as he did, but to me, it is the most impressive. Thank you.
 
I see goodness in your answer Gaber. I place the above quote to signal the part that mostly likely will be in my memory. I say this because it reflects the method of Socrates. Not to say that I can find a principle and then formulate it as he did, but to me, it is the most impressive. Thank you.
Thanks, and welcome to the fora!
 
How is it possible to know man as he is? Is it possible that man is known by what he ought to be? And so is the first question incomplete without the second one? You may e-mail me if it is too lengthy.

Optional: If someone can construct any means and polarizations relating to the questions please inspire me with such.
The most certain way is to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church. I would start with Part 3 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Basically, man was created in the image of God, to know, love, and serve Him in this life and to spend eternity with Him after this life. That is as certain as you can get. What more does one need? Of course Scholastic Philosophy and science can tell us quite a bit also. But nothing they teach us can conflict with what the Church teaches.
 
How is it possible to know man as he is? Is it possible that man is known by what he ought to be? And so is the first question incomplete without the second one? You may e-mail me if it is too lengthy.

Optional: If someone can construct any means and polarizations relating to the questions please inspire me with such.
Indeed, it is a difficult question, as to describe humanity from a human perspective. We cannot view ‘man’ objectively, since (a) man is the subject.

The best answer is that man is and should be in the image of God. This image of God, though can only be understood from a human perspective.

The simple answer is: man should be whatever we hold to be best in man.

For Christians- the answer is the best of men (the fully human human) exemplified this- Jesus.
 
Indeed, it is a difficult question, as to describe humanity from a human perspective. We cannot view ‘man’ objectively, since (a) man is the subject.

The best answer is that man is and should be in the image of God. This image of God, though can only be understood from a human perspective.

The simple answer is: man should be whatever we hold to be best in man.

For Christians- the answer is the best of men (the fully human human) exemplified this- Jesus.
:clapping:
The unique truth and beauty of Christianity is that we have a** living** model of human perfection.
 
How is it possible to know man as he is? Is it possible that man is known by what he ought to be?
I recently read in the Commentary of the Letter to the Romans by S. Thomas Aquinas,“The first statement, therefore, ‘but I am carnal’, is so interpreted that the word ‘I’ stands for man’s reason, which is the chief thing in man, hence each man seems to be his own reason and intellect, as a city seems to be the ruler of the city, so that whatever he does the city seems to do.” (chap. 7, v. 14-20, n. 559) catenas.wetpaint.com/page/Rm+7

I also read recently that the terms of potentiality and actuality are in the study of what is and what is not. Could it be that potentiality assumes what ought to be done?
 
I recently read in the Commentary of the Letter to the Romans by S. Thomas Aquinas,“The first statement, therefore, ‘but I am carnal’, is so interpreted that the word ‘I’ stands for man’s reason, which is the chief thing in man, hence each man seems to be his own reason and intellect, as a city seems to be the ruler of the city, so that whatever he does the city seems to do.” (chap. 7, v. 14-20, n. 559) catenas.wetpaint.com/page/Rm+7

I also read recently that the terms of potentiality and actuality are in the study of what is and what is not. Could it be that potentiality assumes what ought to be done?
If “I” refers to reason, then what is the “I” that perceives the reasoning? The quality of reason is not itself self reflexive. Awareness is self reflexive, and reason is a contents of awareness. So to discover the “I” of awareness, awareness itself must be perceived in purity without its contents. That is the point of contemplation, whether of Silence (as distinct from the absence of sound) or of negation, or of a conundrum also known as a koan.

The success of that endeavor leads to the root of morality in no uncertain terms, as then it is perceived why there were given the Great Commandments and the forms of the Golden Rule. Then it all makes sense, and the Law cannot be broken by one who sees thus.

In the mean time, metaphysical practice, which is the practice of holding the mind to an absolute Truth, that trains the mind to become transparent by conformity with the Divine. What IS, is that which is unchanging, and in human experience it is the “I” of me that changes not. It is the “me” of experience that is the contents of memory and thought structure that changes constantly. That is the feild of the practice of negation: “I”? Not “I”? when it is clear by negation what changes and is not attributable to “I” then clarity dawns, and with it the understanding by experience of the root of the Commandments and the Golden Rule as a living experience, not just a saw or a dictum. This is possible.
 
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