Methodist question concerning Trump

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Padres1969 said:
Yeah the only Methodist in the remaining field is Hillary Clinton.

Kasich is an Anglican (Anglican Church in North America) and a former Catholic
Cruz is practicing in the Southern Baptist Convention but was baptized Catholic
Sanders is Jewish but self described as not very religious
Trump claims to be Presbyterian
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Though I could not vote for her for numerous reasons, I’ll admit Hillary’s Welsh Methodist background makes me have a bit of a wistful soft spot for her, in that I wish she had stayed more true to her roots.
 
Is it true that Welsh Methodism is more of a Calvinistic bent than other Methodist churches? :confused:
 
gmcbroom said:
Trump is a Methodist is he following the tenets of the Methodist church?
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If he is, MY guess it is for political gain only:blush:

Hi bible formation is near NON-Existent:o [BUT still a better choice that “H”]

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
AbideWithMe said:
Though I could not vote for her for numerous reasons, I’ll admit Hillary’s Welsh Methodist background makes me have a bit of a wistful soft spot for her, in that I wish she had stayed more true to her roots.
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Well she is still reportedly an active member of the UMC and apparently led a Sunday School class in the same for what it’s worth. And she supposedly was a member of the Congressional prayer group. She obviously doesn’t follow all the UMC positions on issues or wear her faith on her sleeve like say Ted Cruz. But she’s oddly more religious than some of the Republican candidates. Chalk it up to another odd election cycle.
 
andrewstx said:
Is it true that Welsh Methodism is more of a Calvinistic bent than other Methodist churches? :confused:
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In the past, yes.

My brother’s wife is from a Welsh Methodist background, but she grew up in the same Evangelical Methodist denomination we did (not the same particular church, though), which is Arminian in doctrine. We’re all from Pennsylvania, which had many Welsh immigrants; my family had a few early Welsh Quaker ancestors, while the later Welsh immigrants were mostly Welsh Methodist. But, it seems to me, from my reading and experience, those Methodists were influenced by the other English and German Methodist groups already here, and lost the Calvinist tone.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well she is still reportedly an active member of the UMC and apparently led a Sunday School class in the same for what it’s worth. And she supposedly was a member of the Congressional prayer group. She obviously doesn’t follow all the UMC positions on issues or wear her faith on her sleeve like say Ted Cruz. But she’s oddly more religious than some of the Republican candidates. Chalk it up to another odd election cycle.
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I agree. If it were mine to judge, I’d wager that her faith is more genuine and informed than that of some Republican candidates. But I could not vote for her in good conscience.
 
I wonder why people do not speak more of Cruz’s Catholic status. Is it not a concern of people here? This election doesn’t seem to give religious affiliation much credence. It is curious, given how much is still put on the Obama family. Don’t people care much anymore?
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I wonder why people do not speak more of Cruz’s Catholic status. Is it not a concern of people here? This election doesn’t seem to give religious affiliation much credence. It is curious, given how much is still put on the Obama family. Don’t people care much anymore?
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Well he’s not Catholic now nor has he been most of his life, so not sure why mentioning he was once would really come up.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well he’s not Catholic now nor has he been most of his life, so not sure why mentioning he was once would really come up.
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Because he was born and assumedly baptized Catholic, and with all the discussions here that claim that baptism in the RCC makes you forever a Catholic, I am curious how people see that play out in real life. Why aren’t Catholics ‘claiming’ him? I heard many claim Rubio, who left the Church to become evangelical. Why not Cruz? It seems to me the same thing.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Because he was born and assumedly baptized Catholic, and with all the discussions here that claim that baptism in the RCC makes you forever a Catholic, I am curious how people see that play out in real life. Why aren’t Catholics ‘claiming’ him? I heard many claim Rubio, who left the Church to become evangelical. Why not Cruz? It seems to me the same thing.
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Well you don’t hear them claiming Kasich either. He was baptized as a Catholic before converting to Anglicanism (first ECUSA and now ACNA). He’s just very quiet about his faith unlike say Cruz.

As for the RCC’s notion of OCAC, I often wonder how much the average Joe Catholic actually buys that. I mean it’s tough to claim one of the two remaining Catholic baptized candidates who so completely repudiated the Catholic Church through notorious defection.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well you don’t hear them claiming Kasich either. He was baptized as a Catholic before converting to Anglicanism (first ECUSA and now ACNA). He’s just very quiet about his faith unlike say Cruz.

As for the RCC’s notion of OCAC, I often wonder how much the average Joe Catholic actually buys that. I mean it’s tough to claim one of the two remaining Catholic baptized candidates who so completely repudiated the Catholic Church through notorious defection.
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Good point. Thank you.

It is an odd group of candidates and we hear so little about their religious beliefs. I kind of chuckled over Trump’s favorite Bible verse being ‘an eye for an eye.’ What does one do with that?
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I wonder why people do not speak more of Cruz’s Catholic status. Is it not a concern of people here? This election doesn’t seem to give religious affiliation much credence. It is curious, given how much is still put on the Obama family. Don’t people care much anymore?
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It might be less of a concern of people here than with Obama I think because of the letters R and D and issues beginning with the letters “a” and “m” especially if an “s” and an “s” precede the “m”. But that’s just my thinking.
 
Sy_Noe said:
It might be less of a concern of people here than with Obama I think because of the letters R and D. But that’s just my thinking.
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Could be. I’m trying to remember how long, tho, it took people to get around Romney’s Mormon faith. It was a struggle for many.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well you don’t hear them claiming Kasich either. He was baptized as a Catholic before converting to Anglicanism (first ECUSA and now ACNA). He’s just very quiet about his faith unlike say Cruz.

As for the RCC’s notion of OCAC, I often wonder how much the average Joe Catholic actually buys that. I mean it’s tough to claim one of the two remaining Catholic baptized candidates who so completely repudiated the Catholic Church through notorious defection.
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The average Joe Catholic who doesn’t the practice of the faith and moves on to Anglicanism or the SBC as did Kasich and Cruz or to another, may no longer view themselves as Catholic. Even some otherwise faithful Catholics might not view the departed as Catholics either. But in regards to the official view of the CC Roman rite, the OCAC notion is still in tact the last I checked. So whether they are former Catholics or not might depend on who you ask. If you’re asking Kasich, Cruz, or someone else. The answers might not be the same.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Could be. I’m trying to remember how long, tho, it took people to get around Romney’s Mormon faith. It was a struggle for many.
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Many didn’t. Romney’s Mormon faith ended up hurting him during the 2012 election namely because he was a non-Christian in most Christian’s eyes. And if the religion of the president is of top importance to you it makes it harder even if his social views were closer to your own. Obama is often accused of being Muslim, but fact is he’s a mainline Christian even if his social views don’t necessarily line up with all Christian’s views.
 
Sy_Noe said:
The average Joe Catholic who doesn’t the practice of the faith and moves on to Anglicanism or the SBC as did Kasich and Cruz or to another, may no longer view themselves as Catholic. Even some otherwise faithful Catholics might not view the departed as Catholics either. But in regards to the official view of the CC Roman rite, the OCAC notion is still in tact the last I checked. ** So whether they are former Catholics or not might depend on who you ask. If you’re asking Kasich, Cruz, or someone else. The answers might not be the same.**
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Oh I agree. According to the RCC, Kasich and Cruz are both Catholics (albeit lapsed). However if you ask either of them, Cruz or Kasich, I’m sure they’d tell you they’re ex-Catholic or simply tell you they’re members of their current denomination. It is an interesting point though that it’s not discussed more here since both are Catholics in the RCC’s view. I wonder if their faith history just isn’t known? Or could it be that the fact they’re lapsed-Catholics means its not something folk here want to contemplate? Or could it just be religion isn’t really important this time around? I mean other than Cruz religion I’ve noticed has not played much of a role in this election like it did in 2012 when you had very openly Mormon Romney v fairly openly Christian (and oft wrongly accused of being Muslim) Obama.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Could be. I’m trying to remember how long, tho, it took people to get around Romney’s Mormon faith. It was a struggle for many.
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That’s a good point. And you asked about Rubio in relation to Cruz. That was another excellent point. Hasn’t Rubio at least in some degree reconnected with the Catholic faith though? Maybe that’s why he is claimed here more than Cruz? I really have no idea though. I do know Rubio had ties to the Mormon faith as well. And has been tied to a megachurch as well as to the Catholic Church.

religionnews.com/2016/02/01/rubio-religion-catholic-evangelical/
 
And getting back to Trump, has anyone figured out that his current wife was born and raised in Eastern Bloc Yugoslavia? Godless, to say the least (sarcasm there).
 
ComplineSanFran said:
And getting back to Trump, has anyone figured out that his current wife was born and raised in Eastern Bloc Yugoslavia? Godless, to say the least (sarcasm there).
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You may jest, but you may be correct.

“In line with their father’s officially atheist Communist beliefs, Melania and her sister were not baptized and did not make their first holy communion with the other children, a decision which did not escape Catholic relatives.”

Seems her extended family was Catholic, but her father was communist atheist and she was raised as such. What her current belief’s are I’m not sure.
 
Padres1969 said:
You may jest, but you may be correct.

“In line with their father’s officially atheist Communist beliefs, Melania and her sister were not baptized and did not make their first holy communion with the other children, a decision which did not escape Catholic relatives.”

Seems her extended family was Catholic, but her father was communist atheist and she was raised as such. What her current belief’s are I’m not sure.
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Interesting. Thank you for finding the information. I wonder when it people will realize that there may be implications. Anyone remember Tito?
 
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