Sounds right.When speaking at a Catholic fundraiser, Hilary Clinton made this statement regarding Catholics and Methodists - "One of the things that we share is the belief that in order to achieve our salvation, we need both faith and good works”
Is this an accurate statement ?
Yes, very much so. Does that surprise you?When speaking at a Catholic fundraiser, Hilary Clinton made this statement regarding Catholics and Methodists - "One of the things that we share is the belief that in order to achieve our salvation, we need both faith and good works”
Is this an accurate statement ?
umc.org/what-we-believe/our-wesleyan-heritageFaith and Good Works
United Methodists insist that faith and good works belong together. What we believe must be confirmed by what we do. Personal salvation must be expressed in ministry and mission in the world. We believe that Christian doctrine and Christian ethics are inseparable, that faith should inspire service. The integration of personal piety and social holiness has been a hallmark of our tradition. We affirm the biblical precept that "faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead” (James 2:17).4
Yes it does, I was under the impression that “Sola Fide” and “Sola Scriptora” were common denominators for Protestantism.Yes, very much so. Does that surprise you?
Would good works include promoting partial birth abortion and late term abortion?When speaking at a Catholic fundraiser, Hilary Clinton made this statement regarding Catholics and Methodists - "One of the things that we share is the belief that in order to achieve our salvation, we need both faith and good works”
Is this an accurate statement ?
“Sola Fide” is not. “Sola Scriptoria” can also be a slightly gray area.Yes it does, I was under the impression that “Sola Fide” and “Sola Scriptora” were common denominators for Protestantism.
My question in this thread was more related to Methodist beliefs.Would good works include promoting partial birth abortion and late term abortion?
God bless the quilt guild!Yes. I am a member of a quilt-making group that runs out of a Methodist church. We make quilts for charities, and this reflects their values.
Thanks for the link. I find it hard to believe Hillary has any admiration for the leader of a church where women are not allowed to be priests, a church that fights for the rights of the unborn and a church that does not believe in same sex marriage.My question in this thread was more related to Methodist beliefs.
My OTHER post is more along the lines of what you are asking:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=1029278
See, I learn something new here every day, guess that just shows how little I know (and we both spelled “Sola Scriptura” wrong).“Sola Fide” is not. “Sola Scriptoria” can also be a slightly gray area.
Mennonites.So what other Protestant denominations would believe in salvation by Faith + Works ?
A) Because as you said they are under the incorrect impression that Catholics believe they can “earn” heaven. No Christian group believes this.Why do Catholics get beat up so much on this? Is it because of the incorrect impression that Catholics believe they can “earn” heaven?
I guess since they evolved from the Anglican Church, they don’t have as strong of a protestant foothold as the churches that more directly came from the reformers?A) Because as you said they are under the incorrect impression that Catholics believe they can “earn” heaven. No Christian group believes this.
B) Methodists aren’t usually ones beating Catholics up about this or anything else. Speaking generally, Methodists are very friendly to inter-faith cooperation, understanding, and fellowship.
I wouldn’t say that is the reason.I guess since they evolved from the Anglican Church, they don’t have as strong of a protestant foothold as the churches that more directly came from the reformers?
I still don’t understand why this would surprise you. Doesn’t Scripture say faith without works is dead? So I was under the impression that even those who believe in salvation by faith alone, show their faith through their works.Yes it does, I was under the impression that “Sola Fide” and “Sola Scriptora” were common denominators for Protestantism.
As a former Mennonite, I am almost certain that this is false.Mennonites.
I know its almost like splitting hairs but many would say that the works do not contribute to one’s salvation. This is the heart of my question. I have listed to many catholic/protestant debates on the topic and there are Christian denominations that definitely hold the position that works play no part in justification/salvation. I always thought that Methodists held this position also.I still don’t understand why this would surprise you. Doesn’t Scripture say faith without works is dead? So I was under the impression that even those who believe in salvation by faith alone, show their faith through their works.
It’s an oversimplification, I imagine. However, Methodists are Arminian, and they stress the human side of salvation more so than Calvinists would. However, they do still believe in justification by faith alone. From the Articles of Religion, articulated by John Wesley:When speaking at a Catholic fundraiser, Hilary Clinton made this statement regarding Catholics and Methodists - "One of the things that we share is the belief that in order to achieve our salvation, we need both faith and good works”
Is this an accurate statement ?
Article IX — Of the Justification of Man
We are accounted righteous before God only for the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, by faith, and not for our own works or deservings. Wherefore, that we are justified by faith, only, is a most wholesome doctrine, and very full of comfort.
Article X — Of Good Works
Although good works, which are the fruits of faith, and follow after justification, cannot put away our sins, and endure the severity of God’s judgment; yet are they pleasing and acceptable to God in Christ, and spring out of a true and lively faith, insomuch that by them a lively faith may be as evidently known as a tree is discerned by its fruit.