Metropolitan William Receives Pallium in Rome

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Credo_ergo_sum said:
Uh? :eek:

They should just get their own patriarch.
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This particular issue isn’t limited to the Catholic Communion. Within Eastern Orthodoxy…some would make the same point regarding the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and its dependence upon Moscow.
 
twf said:
This particular issue isn’t limited to the Catholic Communion. Within Eastern Orthodoxy…some would make the same point regarding the Ukrainian Orthodox Church and its dependence upon Moscow.
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Ukraine should have it’s own Patriarch. It is strange that Kiev, the mother, is ruled by Moscow, the daughter.

But check this canon of the 4th Council of the Lateran:
Renewing the ancient privileges of the patriarchal sees, we decree, with the approval of this sacred universal synod, that after the Roman church, which through the Lord’s disposition has a primacy of ordinary power over all other churches inasmuch as it is the mother and mistress of all Christ’s faithful, the church of Constantinople shall have the first place, the church of Alexandria the second place, the church of Antioch the third place, and the church of Jerusalem the fourth place, each maintaining its own rank. Thus after their pontiffs have received from the Roman pontiff the pallium, which is the sign of the fullness of the pontifical office, and have taken an oath of fidelity and obedience to him they may lawfully confer the pallium on their own suffragans, receiving from them for themselves canonical profession and for the Roman church the promise of obedience. They may have a standard of the Lord’s cross carried before them anywhere except in the city of Rome or wherever there is present the supreme pontiff or his legate wearing the insignia of the apostolic dignity. In all the provinces subject to their jurisdiction let appeal be made to them, when it is necessary, except for appeals made to the apostolic see, to which all must humbly defer.
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Credo_ergo_sum said:
Uh? :eek:

They should just get their own patriarch.
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Ecclesiastical communion is still required for full power.

Metropolitan Church:

CCEO Canon 156
  1. Within three months after episcopal ordination or, if already ordained a bishop, after the enthronement, the metropolitan is bound by the obligation to petition the pallium from the Roman Pontiff, which is a sign of his metropolitan power and full communion of the metropolitan Church sui iuris with the Roman Pontiff.
  2. Prior to the imposition of the pallium, the metropolitan cannot convoke the council of hierarchs or ordain bishops.
Patriarchal Church:

CEO Canon 77
  1. A canonically elected patriarch validly exercises his office only after enthronement by which he obtains his office with the full effects of law.
  2. The patriarch is not to convoke a synod of bishops of the patriarchal Church nor ordain bishops before he receives ecclesiastical communion from the Roman Pontiff.
 
ОМОФОР (Omoforion) - Pallium

This is an omophor - calling it pallium is apecularity of GrekoCatholics. This long garment which he receives is the omophor - from greek to carry on shoulders - to show he is shepherd who carries sheep on shoulders like good shepherd. Pallium is other thing worn by Roman Catholic metropolits as a sign of their subservence to Bishop of Rome. Thus the sign of good shepherd has become the sign of subservence. Omofor is normally given along with staff or jhezl at time of khirotonia to bishop by Patriarch or Mitropolit. Bishop of Rome has thus authority of Patriarch for this small GrekCatholic church, assuming. This is Patriarch Kirill at Khirotonia of bishop :

 
Similarly, in 2008 Metropolitan Archeparch Jan Babjak of Presov (Slovak Greek Catholic Church) received the pallium.
 
Volodymyr said:
Thus the sign of good shepherd has become the sign of subservence.
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Actually, the pallium is, first of all, a sign that the Archbishop shares in the pastoral responsibilites of the Pope as the supreme shepherd of the Church.

The oath of fidelity is another matter.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
The real headline here is that Metropolitan William actually received an omophorion from His Holiness, instead of a Roman pallium. It is believed to be the first time an Eastern Catholic Metropolitan has received an omophorion, appropriate to his own tradition, in recognition of his office.

While we can argue the form of ecclesiastical communion and other related matters, IMHO this should be viewed at least as a visible sign that Rome is attempting in its own way to address the Eastern Churches with due respect to their traditions.

May God grant our Holy Father, Metropolitan William and all the Latin Catholic Metropolitans who received the Pallium on this feast of Sts. Peter & Paul peace, health and happiness for many blessed years!
 
Vico said:
Similarly, in 2008 Metropolitan Archeparch Jan Babjak of Presov (Slovak Greek Catholic Church) received the pallium.
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He did, indeed, receive a Roman style pallium, which was placed over his omophorion.

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Metropolitan William, on the other hand, did not receive one.
 
mardukm said:
Actually, the pallium is, first of all, a sign that the Archbishop shares in the pastoral responsibilites of the Pope as the supreme shepherd of the Church.
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I must admit that I find this to be a difficult concept, at times. Don’t all bishops share that responsibility equally?
 
Credo_ergo_sum said:
Because they deserve one and the only reason they won’t get it is because of a fear that they’ll anger Moscow.
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This is a strange post. Did we perhaps switch to talking about the UGCC? I ask b/c that seems to be the best way for the above statement to make sense.
 
Peter_J said:
This is a strange post. Did we perhaps switch to talking about the UGCC? I ask b/c that seems to be the best way for the above statement to make sense.
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Oh yes, isn’t he UGCC?

Edit: Oh nevermind, please ignore what I’ve said. I feel so stupid. He’s Ruthenian.
 
Credo_ergo_sum said:
Oh yes, isn’t he UGCC?
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No

Byzantine Catholic [Ruthenian] Metropolitan Church of Pittsburgh (sui juris)

Although a far cry from a Major Archiepiscopal Church in many respects, it is nonetheless a sui juris Church, so some make the same or similar arguments over whether the imposition of a pallium should be necessary.
 
ByzCathCantor said:
Originally Posted by Credo ergo sum
Oh yes, isn’t he UGCC?
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Indeed. An elevation to the Patriarchal level would mean skipping right over the Major Archiepiscopal level. (If “level” is the right word.)

On the other hand, if the Metropolia did get elevated, it’s hard to imagine Moscow would be upset (although I’m open to being corrected by our Orthodox friends).
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Peter_J said:
Indeed. An elevation to the Patriarchal level would mean skipping right over the Major Archiepiscopal level. (If “level” is the right word.)

On the other hand, if the Metropolia did get elevated, it’s hard to imagine Moscow would be upset (although I’m open to being corrected by our Orthodox friends).
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No, I was talking about the Major Archbishop of Kiev (UGCC). I made a mistake thinking Metropolitan Willian was the Archbishop of Kiev.
 
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