Metropolitan William Receives Pallium in Rome

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Wonderful quotes from Pope Benedict XVI as to the Pallium
BTW - it was Pope Benedict XVI’s wisdom that led to Metropolitan William receiving an omiphor (vs. a pallium), befitting his office and particular Eastern Catholic Church.

Your quote here also suggests that this development is somehow a negative when, in fact, it is not.
 
BTW - it was Pope Benedict XVI’s wisdom that led to Metropolitan William receiving an omiphor (vs. a pallium), befitting his office and particular Eastern Catholic Church.

Your quote here also suggests that this development is somehow a negative when, in fact, it is not.
Huh?

No they are quotes in the positive regarding the Pallium (someone above asked).

I did not read all posts in the thread (70’s some odd ones)–it was not a post in anyway inferring a negative.
 
Huh?

No they are quotes in the positive regarding the Pallium (someone above asked).

I did not read all posts in the thread (70’s some odd ones)–it was not a post in anyway inferring a negative.
Then the theme of a good portion of this [resurrected] thread has escaped you.

There has been reasonable debate as to whether or not it is appropriate for the head of a sui juris Metropolitan Church to receive a pallium, which in modern context is a symbol of shared responsibility between the Pope and Metropolitan Archbishops of the Latin Church.

Metropolitan Archbishops of the Latin Church and Metropolitan Archbishops of sui juris Eastern Catholic Churches do not have equivalent charges.

Extolling the virtues of the pallium here, in the context of this thread and without acknowledgement of that reality, opens up the debate once more.

The title of the thread may be deceiving, in that regard, as the real story is that Metropolitan William was the first EC Metropolitan to receive an omiphor, the rough equivalent in the Eastern Church. Easterners (Catholic & Orthodox) have decidedly mixed feelings as to whether or not this was a positive development.
 
Then the theme of a good portion of this [resurrected] thread has escaped you…
Please see the placement of my post. It twas right after someone asked “what is a pallium”

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forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9781158&postcount=73

I found some cool quotes from Pope Benedict XVI as to what a pallium is…

(I just now read about Pope Benedict XVI’s decision in your EWTN article…)
 
Huh?

No they are quotes in the positive regarding the Pallium (someone above asked).

I did not read all posts in the thread (70’s some odd ones)–it was not a post in anyway inferring a negative.
You should read the thread. There are those who regard the pallium as an imposition (in the bad sense of the word) of a Latin innovation. You should be more sensitive to that.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
You should read the thread. There are those who regard the pallium as an imposition (in the bad sense of the word) of a Latin innovation. You should be more sensitive to that.

Blessings,
Marduk
I am allowed to respond to a question of a person inside a thread…please see the placement of my quotes.

(I leave the matter of Pallium or similar to the Pope)
 
I love the Pallium and I love that Pope Benedict XVI choose to impose (in the sense the Church uses) the other Liturgical sign of the Good Shepherd for the Eastern Metropolitan. Such rich wonderful signs…and Pope Benedict XVI certainly has a gift for words (hence the quotes).

And I loved it when he used the more ancient Pallium for himself in the beginning and was sad when it was found to be less than practical for him.

May he live a 100 years!
 
Then the theme of a good portion of this [resurrected] thread has escaped you.

There has been reasonable debate as to whether or not it is appropriate for the head of a sui juris Metropolitan Church to receive a pallium, which in modern context is a symbol of shared responsibility between the Pope and Metropolitan Archbishops of the Latin Church.

Metropolitan Archbishops of the Latin Church and Metropolitan Archbishops of sui juris Eastern Catholic Churches do not have equivalent charges.

Extolling the virtues of the pallium here, in the context of this thread and without acknowledgement of that reality, opens up the debate once more.

The title of the thread may be deceiving, in that regard, as the real story is that Metropolitan William was the first EC Metropolitan to receive an omiphor, the rough equivalent in the Eastern Church. Easterners (Catholic & Orthodox) have decidedly mixed feelings as to whether or not this was a positive development.
Following are the two codes. In common, the pallium is a sign of Metropolitan power. In New Commentary of the Code of Canon Law, p. 576, is stated that the Metropolitan Church sui iuris is: “autonomous in the sense that it is not subject to the authority of a Patriarch or Major Archbishop. It is directly subject to the authority of the Pope who can be thought of as exercising patriarchal authority over it.”

CCEO Can. 156
  1. Within three months after episcopal ordination or, if already ordained a bishop, after the enthronement, the metropolitan is bound by the obligation to petition the pallium from the Roman Pontiff, which is a sign of his metropolitan power and full communion of the metropolitan Church sui iuris with the Roman Pontiff.
  2. Prior to the imposition of the pallium, the metropolitan cannot convoke the council of hierarchs or ordain bishops.
CIC Can. 437
§1. Within three months from the reception of episcopal consecration or if he has already been consecrated, from the canonical provision, a metropolitan is obliged to request the pallium from the Roman Pontiff either personally or through a proxy. The pallium signifies the power which the metropolitan, in communion with the Roman Church, has by law in his own province.
§2. A metropolitan can use the pallium according to the norm of liturgical laws within any church of the ecclesiastical province offer which he presides, but not outside it, even if the diocesan bishop gives his assent.
§3. A metropolitan needs a new pallium if he is transferred to another metropolitan see.
 
Following are the two codes. In common, the pallium is a sign of Metropolitan power. In New Commentary of the Code of Canon Law, p. 576, is stated that the Metropolitan Church sui iuris is: “autonomous in the sense that it is not subject to the authority of a Patriarch or Major Archbishop. It is directly subject to the authority of the Pope who can be thought of as exercising patriarchal authority over it.”
Yes, the contrast in the Codes is illuminating to the uninitiated, yet I’m :confused: as to why you cite it in reference to my post. We have compared and contrasted the “powers” of Latin Church Metropolitans vs. EC Metropolitans of sui juris Churches before, in recent threads.Yet, His Holiness did not on this occasion give Metropolitan William a pallium, at least not literally, but the “equivalent” in Eastern tradition - despite the “letter of the law” in the CCEO - which would have past practice maintained: that is, imposing a Western vestment on an Eastern Metropolitan.
 
Yes, the contrast in the Codes is illuminating to the uninitiated, yet I’m :confused: as to why you cite it in reference to my post. We have compared and contrasted the “powers” of Latin Church Metropolitans vs. EC Metropolitans of sui juris Churches before, in recent threads.Yet, His Holiness did not on this occasion give Metropolitan William a pallium, at least not literally, but the “equivalent” in Eastern tradition - despite the “letter of the law” in the CCEO - which would have past practice maintained: that is, imposing a Western vestment on an Eastern Metropolitan.
I am only amplifying your post, not criticism or disagreement. Yes, it satisfies the canon, for it is the act of requesting and reception, the form could vary. It does not have to mean “the Latin pallium”. I never was able to find any sort of record of Ethiopian Metropolitan Archbishop Berhaneyesus Demerew Suoraphiel receiving a pallium, and he has ordained bishops since July 1999 when he was made Metropolitan.
 
I am only amplifying your post, not criticism or disagreement. Yes, it satisfies the canon, for it is the act of requesting and reception, the form could vary. It does not have to mean “the Latin pallium”.
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I never was able to find any sort of record of Ethiopian Metropolitan Archbishop Berhaneyesus Demerew Suoraphiel receiving a pallium, and he has ordained bishops since July 1999 when he was made Metropolitan.
That would be interesting, if you could settle that one way or another.

BTW - I can’t recall, but was the rumor that +Metropolitan Basil of Pittsburgh never received a pallium ever confirmed or dispelled?
 
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That would be interesting, if you could settle that one way or another.

BTW - I can’t recall, but was the rumor that +Metropolitan Basil of Pittsburgh never received a pallium ever confirmed or dispelled?
Byzantine Catholic World, Vol 57 No 9 July 8, 2012, pp. 1, 6 states:Pope presents hierarch with traditional eastern vestment … "Archbishop William C. Skurla, however, received not the pallium, but the omoforion, a traditional vestment unique to the Easter Catholic bishops. … “The pallium and omofor are essentially meant to symbolize the same thing,” explains Metropolitan William, who receive the vestment at the hand of the Pope Benedict during the early morning ceremony in Rome.
 
Byzantine Catholic World, Vol 57 No 9 July 8, 2012, pp. 1, 6 states:
I saw this quote in the BCW at the time of publication, and was somewhat puzzled at first by the generalization. In Eastern tradition, the Omophor is the vestment symbolic of spiritual and episcopal authority, worn by all bishops (as you well know, I’m sure), whereas today the pallium is unique to Metropolitans in the Latin tradition. No disrepect intended to His Eminence, whose response was certainly well intended and accurate in the context of the informal interview, but the statement is somewhat of a necessary generalization in such context, so as to avoid the need to delve into other differences.
 
from the USCCB Blog (which did not mention the omophor):
Archbishop Skurla’s presence on this list brings an interesting twist in that he isn’t a Roman Catholic archbishop, but rather the Metropolitan Archbishop of the Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh. This is one of several Eastern Rite Catholic Churches in the United States. Eastern Catholics belong to communities with ancient, distinctive worship and traditions that are very similar to Eastern Orthodox Christians, except that they are in communion with the pope. The Pallium Mass provides one strong visible sign of this communion.
 
I saw this quote in the BCW at the time of publication, and was somewhat puzzled at first by the generalization. In Eastern tradition, the Omophor is the vestment symbolic of spiritual and episcopal authority, worn by all bishops (as you well know, I’m sure), whereas today the pallium is unique to Metropolitans in the Latin tradition. No disrepect intended to His Eminence, whose response was certainly well intended and accurate in the context of the informal interview, but the statement is somewhat of a necessary generalization in such context, so as to avoid the need to delve into other differences.
Well, yes. But there is something different: the number of horizontal bars is 4. So one could compare the Latin (Metropolitan) pallium to the 4 bar (Metropolitan) Omophorion.

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Well, yes. But there is something different: the number of horizontal bars is 4. So one could compare the Latin (Metropolitan) pallium to the 4 bar (Metropolitan) Omophorion.
Yes, indeed that could be a distinguishing characteristic that might aid in the explanation. Yet, there are Eastern Catholic Metropolitans in Patriarchal Churches that will never receive the “pallium”, yet still wear a four-barred omophorion.

BTW - nice photo of +Metropolitan Basil. He was a tender Shepherd. Memory eternal!
 
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