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Matt33
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Careful we are comparing football players to teachers. You aren’t actually insinuating that football is year round but teaching isnt.
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LoveJesus
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What makes me sick is that there seems to be more public outrage at a celebrity’s abuse of dogs than a celebrity’s abuse of a wife/husband. Michael Vick goes to jail for abusing dogs. Chris Brown probably won’t go to jail for abusing his ex-girlfriend. That’s what makes me sick.
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Matt33
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Yeah, they are both bad in my opinion. Who knows maybe Vick also beats a girlfriend or two. Interesting as a society the gods we worship looks like not much has changed since the golden calf. At least we have a savior though.
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igator99
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You don’t know much about teaching if you don’t think it is a year round job. 90% of the work they do is after school (Lesson Plans, Grading etc…). Also many actually have to pay for the materials used in class out of their own pockets due to poor funding. Summers are usually taken up to a degree with continuing education classes and workshops. Also many volunteer to do work during the summer like coaching the cheerleaders in summer camps where at least the ones I know don’t get paid for it. Most are there because they have a dedication to children and love teaching.
It is unfortunate that the way they are paid is like a communist system. The good ones that are dedicated get the same amount as the ones that push worksheets and go through the motions. Tenure should be done away with and I believe it is in my state. They should be paid like everyone else on job performance. However I don’t believe the states could afford such a system.
Not to mention today teaching is a much harder job than 20 years ago. Something like 50% of first time teachers quit never to return after their first year. You have to deal with crazy parents and discipline can be a nightmare. There is a growing teaching shortage and one of the beautiful things about capitalism is that eventually the good teachers will get their just pay.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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We are talking sports, and such people get second, third, fourth chances. To demand some other standard of the NFL because Vick fought dogs is extremely hypocritical.
I do not support animal abuse but I also do not value them above people, and certainly not above God.
Besides, how on earth do you know what else he has done with his life? You’re judging him on one very public instance.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Amen.
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Matt33
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The advantage of Vick being well known and rich is that he pays agents and publisicists to rework his image. You can bet that if Vick has any redeeming qualities that you would know about them. Every time he walked a little old lady accross the street would have been drug out and paraded in front of the courts and the media and the NFL. NOt because he is a “stand up guy” but because he can get something out of it. But he doesn’t even have that. It is fair to say that his character is out in the open for all to see and all I see is a man who used his God given talent to further a cruel crime ring of a mystical underworld most of us never will know the extent of. Gambling, killing betting, fighting. Must be hanging around some stand up holy people in those circles.
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pnewton
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Sometimes it seems like this place is not very Catholic. Last I remember, we still say the Lord’s Prayer and ask for our forgiveness base on how forgiving we ourselves are. Again, the debt is paid. Work restriction is **not **part of the criminal penalty assessed. If the NFL wants to have him back, then good for him. No, Vick does not have a right to play, but neither is there anything ongoing in his sentence that bars him from it. If he can earn a roster spot and if the NFL is willing then being angry at this form of forgiveness is not what our faith it all about.
Besides, I want to see if when he runs on the field the first time if they will play “Who Let the Dogs Out.”
Besides, I want to see if when he runs on the field the first time if they will play “Who Let the Dogs Out.”
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whatevergirl
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*None of us are in a place to forgive or not forgive Michael Vick…none of us are saying he doesn’t deserve forgiveness. I feel badly over what he did, and hopefully, he has changed. The thread morphed though, into a discussion about how there seems to be a double standard in life, and how much emphasis is on pro-sports; so many turn a blind eye to what these people do off the field, as long as they are having a winning season.
Not about forgiveness at all…don’t think anyone here feels Michael Vick is not worthy of forgiveness, not for us to judge. I pray that he has learned from the experience. *
Not about forgiveness at all…don’t think anyone here feels Michael Vick is not worthy of forgiveness, not for us to judge. I pray that he has learned from the experience. *
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Sailor_Kenshin
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You can read my mind? How do you know what I would advocate?
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Did you know him personally?The advantage of Vick being well known and rich is that he pays agents and publisicists to rework his image. You can bet that if Vick has any redeeming qualities that you would know about them. Every time he walked a little old lady accross the street would have been drug out and paraded in front of the courts and the media and the NFL. NOt because he is a “stand up guy” but because he can get something out of it. But he doesn’t even have that. It is fair to say that his character is out in the open for all to see and all I see is a man who used his God given talent to further a cruel crime ring of a mystical underworld most of us never will know the extent of. Gambling, killing betting, fighting. Must be hanging around some stand up holy people in those circles.
Then how are you to judge what he did or did not do in private?
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WordFuzion
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Trust me, shunning is the least severe thing I’d like to do to an animal abuser like Vick. I am not a violent person in the least, but I would gladly pay to get a half hour alone with this guy and a wet rubber hose. If that sounds callous, I don’t care. Animal abusers, imo, should be punished to the full extent of the law and then thrown into exile. They aren’t fit to live with other human beings.
I may seem a little overboard on this, but I’ve spent alot of time with animals and I think in many ways they’re better “people” then we are. They don’t lie, they don’t cheat, they don’t rape, they don’t kill maliciously. So the least we can do is treat them with some respect and dignity.
My two pennies, of course.
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SaltySirena
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People don’t even get jail time for baking their children to death in cars. And yet, Michael Vick and his cruelty to dogs, for which he has paid dearly, spark vastly more outrage. 
He’ll play because some team thinks he can get them to the playoffs and make them money. Bottom line. And if he can get some team to take him, he has every right to play.
Just like that idiot Plaxico Burress will when he gets out of jail.
He’ll play because some team thinks he can get them to the playoffs and make them money. Bottom line. And if he can get some team to take him, he has every right to play.
Just like that idiot Plaxico Burress will when he gets out of jail.
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aicirt
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I’m hypocritical? I should excuse him because he can throw a ball when you and I would not be excused by our employers? You can buy into that, but I’m not.
Yes, I’m judging him on a very public instance. How else would we have know what he was like if his cruelty hadn’t led him to being found and convicted of a crime? How many “instances” do you need before you realize he’s a barbarian?
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Matt33
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Sorry I was using the virtue of charity to assume that all of us would not want a man who beat and killed dogs in a violent underworld for money would and should not be allowed to do some things like teach six year olds. But you are correct I have no idea what you think about that so. Another awesome reason to homeschool.
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Matt33
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You are right if his life were privcate. I Only know what he shows me. BUt this is the most tiresome argument about celebrities I have ever heard. Jon and Kate, Michael Jackson and anyone else runs to the camera’sanytime there is something in it for them and then curse them when bad publicity happens. Mr Vick is a man who is trying to get rich. Believe me if he did something in private it would be public.
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pnewton
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It is irrelevant if one considers them “better”, whatever that means.
I know all the bleeding heart animal lovers see this as a horrendous crime, but at least he didn’t commit a crime of violence against people. I am not a fan of his at all, but I think it PETA or some such group try some boycott, that I’ll watch each game.
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shannyk
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I truly don’t get the argument that because someone is disgusted with Vick that they aren’t angry enough about other crimes against people. Hogwash. People can have opinions about two different things at the same time, if you have any attention span at all. You want to talk about Chris Brown and battery of women? Start a thread. Abortion? There are dozens here. The subject is Vick and his criminal felony background and how the NFL is so money hungry they will employ any jerk who will bring in the big bucks.
Does character count for anything anymore?
Does character count for anything anymore?
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stringbeanduck
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So if a well trained football player murders somebody, pays for his crime, should he be allowed back on the team? I’m just currious where we draw the line.
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pnewton
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How about we draw the line where the line draws it? Murder carries a along enough sentence as it is a far more serious crime. Therefore this is a question which would never come up.
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