Michael Voris Question

  • Thread starter Thread starter YoungCatholic86
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
FWIW, I don’t find him at all inspiring. Quite the opposite; he doesn’t give me a favorable impression of Catholicism.
 
ExCatholicGuy said:
FWIW, I don’t find him at all inspiring. Quite the opposite; he doesn’t give me a favorable impression of Catholicism.
Click to expand...
Then don’t watch him.

Others DO find him inspiring and a breath of fresh air. Let the rest of us watch him in peace.
Christine
 
zab said:
It would be wise for Michael Voris’s apostolate to realize that any good done by them can be overshaddowed by the uncharitableness of it’s members.
Click to expand...
If this were Facebook I’d click “Like!”

I was a Michael Voris agnostic, came to a thread to learn more about him, and was very, very turned off by the comments made by some of his fans.

He seems like an ok guy, but I’m not sure why he attracts such a following with some, frankly, weird attachments.
 
PRmerger said:
If this were Facebook I’d click “Like!”

I was a Michael Voris agnostic, came to a thread to learn more about him, and was very, very turned off by the comments made by some of his fans.

He seems like an ok guy, but I’m not sure why he attracts such a following with some, frankly, weird attachments.
Click to expand...
What’s so weird about me? That I don’t like a friend and someone I know personally slandered and pulled through the mud on a public internet forum? If someone did this to someone you were close to, don’t you think you would also lash out? If you wouldn’t then I have to wonder about that.

~Liza
 
lizaanne said:
What’s so weird about me? That I don’t like a friend and someone I know personally slandered and pulled through the mud on a public internet forum? If someone did this to someone you were close to, don’t you think you would also lash out? If you wouldn’t then I have to wonder about that.

~Liza
Click to expand...
“I suppose that’s a matter of opinion now isn’t it”. What’s uncharitable to one is charity to another." Liza

You can say that again because every time someone charitably expresses a concern about The Vortex, they are jumped on all over by the fans of Michael Voris. I was once a monthly subscriber to Real Catholic TV and even gave an extra $20 a month until I experience such hostile encounter from a staff member. So it was not surprising when I read about the internal problems last year.
 
zab said:
“I suppose that’s a matter of opinion now isn’t it”. What’s uncharitable to one is charity to another." Liza

You can say that again because every time someone charitably expresses a concern about The Vortex, they are jumped on all over by the fans of Michael Voris. I was once a monthly subscriber to Real Catholic TV and even gave an extra $20 a month until I experience such hostile encounter from a staff member. So it was not surprising when I read about the internal problems last year.
Click to expand...
Zab: I’m glad to hear you were once a subscriber. That’s truly unfortunate that you no longer support this apostolate, and if there was ever any uncharitable behavior exhibited towards you, I am sorry to hear that. Without specifics, it’s hard to know what actually happened, and, of course, the staff member might also have a different perspective.

You talk about “charitably” expressing a concern about the Vortex, but what I’ve seen instead are people stooping so low as to accuse Michael of being a closet homosexual. That is not “charitable” by any stretch of the imagination, and I hope you do not support that kind of behavior. There is a big difference between complaints about his tone or the content of what he writes, and then attacking and slandering his character.
Christine
 
Credo111 said:
Zab: I’m glad to hear you were once a subscriber. That’s truly unfortunate that you no longer support this apostolate, and if there was ever any uncharitable behavior exhibited towards you, I am sorry to hear that. Without specifics, it’s hard to know what actually happened, and, of course, the staff member might also have a different perspective.

You talk about “charitably” expressing a concern about the Vortex, but what I’ve seen instead are people stooping so low as to accuse Michael of being a closet homosexual. That is not “charitable” by any stretch of the imagination, and I hope you do not support that kind of behavior. There is a big difference between complaints about his tone or the content of what he writes, and then attacking and slandering his character.
Christine
Click to expand...
Christine,
There are people who read these threads who may not be particularly drawn to one side or the other. They just observe the comments from both sides and if they have been following the conversation, they notice comments that are more hostile and perhaps fishing or antagonizing to get negative remarks, and they also notice comments that are misleading at times on what others actually wrote. Judging the condition of one’s soul is not exactly being charitable is it 😉
 
zab said:
Christine,
There are people who read these threads who may not be particularly drawn to one side or the other. They just observe the comments from both sides and if they have been following the conversation, they notice comments that are more hostile and perhaps fishing or antagonizing to get negative remarks, and they also notice comments that are misleading at times on what others actually wrote. Judging the condition of one’s soul is not exactly being charitable is it 😉
Click to expand...
Zab–So judging by your evasive answer, I presume you DO support stooping to the level of insinuating that Michael is a closet homosexual? Not only was that charge made once, it was repeated later, without remorse–and it was clear as day to anyone who read it. Either you missed the remarks, or you willfully misread them.

How can anyone possibly take seriously your claims about being “charitable” when you support such reprehensible behavior?

I stand by my comment that it was a sick thing to say, and I commend the slanderer to the mercy of God. That is entirely in keeping with charity.
Christine
 
Credo111 said:
Zab–So judging by your evasive answer, I presume you DO support stooping to the level of insinuating that Michael is a closet homosexual? Not only was that charge made once, it was repeated later, without remorse–and it was clear as day to anyone who read it. Either you missed the remarks, or you willfully misread them.

How can anyone possibly take seriously your claims about being “charitable” when you support such reprehensible behavior?

I stand by my comment that it was a sick thing to say, and I commend the slanderer to the mercy of God. That is entirely in keeping with charity.
Christine
Click to expand...
Wow! Just another prime examle of the attacks against other members. I stand by my remarks. There is nothing more for me to say.
 
zab said:
Wow! Just another prime examle of the attacks against other members. I stand by my remarks. There is nothing more for me to say.
Click to expand...
How is anything that I wrote even close to an “attack”?

You talk about charity, yet refuse to condemn vile calumny against Michael’s character. How can anyone possibly take your calls to charity seriously?

I have said and done nothing contrary to charity, but rather have defended a good man’s name.

What have you done? Stood by in approving silence while his name and character are dragged through the mud.

Bad show, ZAB. Very bad show.
Christine
 
I haven’t seen any slanderous remarks made against Mr. Voris in this thread. All I’ve seen, as an outsider and neutral party to the situation, are uncharitable remarks, assumptions and overreactions from Mr. Voris’ supporters to the least criticism. As others have stated, it certainly doesn’t make me want to watch anything of his, if that’s the sort of support his work attracts.
 
Blenderx said:
I haven’t seen any slanderous remarks made against Mr. Voris in this thread. All I’ve seen, as an outsider and neutral party to the situation, are uncharitable remarks, assumptions and overreactions from Mr. Voris’ supporters to the least criticism. As others have stated, it certainly doesn’t make me want to watch anything of his, if that’s the sort of support his work attracts.
Click to expand...
No slanderous remarks were made of him in this thread, but PLENTY have been made in other threads. Since you really don’t know the whole story, might be better for you to reserve judgment before criticizing those who defend his character.

As an analogy, if people were calling your husband a closet homosexual and accusing him of being vulgar and rude and mean and all sorts of false charges, and you strenuously defended him, how fair would it be for some newcomer who doesn’t have the least idea what’s going on to judge you and tell you that you’re overreacting and making assumptions?
Christine
 
I find it interesting that supporters of this man introduce the idea that he was called a homosexual somewhere else, and then accuse posters on CAF, who clearly did not call the man a homosexual, of somehow subscribing to that viewpoint. Real charity at work. :rolleyes:

Sticking to facts is usually the best policy. I don’t know the man, others of you support him, that’s great. I happen to disagree with his vision of the Chruch and evangelization. His bishop does not allow him to use the word Catholic in his ministry, so he is irrelevant to me as a Catholic commentator. That’s all. But no one here slandered him…his supporters said some people somewhere slandered him and then said “Look! People are slandering Michael Voris!” You’re manufacturing outrage and anger. Interesting tactic on a Catholic website.
 
Credo111 said:
No slanderous remarks were made of him in this thread, but PLENTY have been made in other threads. Since you really don’t know the whole story, might be better for you to reserve judgment before criticizing those who defend his character.

As an analogy, if people were calling your husband a closet homosexual and accusing him of being vulgar and rude and mean and all sorts of false charges, and you strenuously defended him, how fair would it be for some newcomer who doesn’t have the least idea what’s going on to judge you and tell you that you’re overreacting and making assumptions?
Christine
Click to expand...
If the people who said those things were in this thread, then it would be reasonable. It is not reasonable to bring those issues where they were not present to begin with. It is also unreasonable to treat every poster with even the slightest reservations about Mr. Voris as if they were equally guilty of these things.

As for your analogy, it would absolutely be fair. First of all, I would see no need to strenuously deny anything so obviously unreasonable. Secondly, why would I be doing so to a group of people who had nothing to do with such accusations?
 
clem456 said:
I find it interesting that supporters of this man introduce the idea that he was called a homosexual somewhere else, and then accuse posters on CAF, who clearly did not call the man a homosexual, of somehow subscribing to that viewpoint. Real charity at work. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
She meant somewhere else here on the forum.

Calm down, you’ll hurt your eyes doing that too much.

~Liza
 
clem456 said:
I find it interesting that supporters of this man introduce the idea that he was called a homosexual somewhere else, and then accuse posters on CAF, who clearly did not call the man a homosexual, of somehow subscribing to that viewpoint. Real charity at work. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
He was called a homosexual in another CAF thread, which ZAB was a part of. Please save your sarcasm for another day.

Bottom line: judge for yourself, people, instead of going on what others say. I’m sure Michael himself would not be happy with all this rancor generated because of him, so I’m just going to post some links to his wonderful talks and let people come to their own conclusions. May God continue to bless him, his staff, and his courageous apostolate.
Christine

On forgiveness: youtube.com/watch?v=B0SFYXdgx90&feature=plcp

Talk in Madrid: youtu.be/a05Mxbdxs84

England: youtube.com/watch?v=9EImCEoIA7Y&feature=plcp

On myths of the Inquisition:
youtube.com/watch?v=18EderfKDOM&feature=plcp

Defending Pope Pius XII: youtube.com/watch?v=70TcOrAokFk&feature=plcp

There is MUCH more at ChurchMilitant.TV
 
Blenderx said:
It is also unreasonable to treat every poster with even the slightest reservations about Mr. Voris as if they were equally guilty of these things.
Click to expand...
“every poster”?

As far as I know, I was dealing with only one.
Christine
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top