Well, now that my name is brought into this, there needs to be some clarification against the continual rash judgment of being a slanderer.
In Credo’s proselytizing defense of MV, she invited the readers to listen to MV’s conversion story. In that video, he admits he was “steeped in mortal sin.” He says, you know the story of St. Augustine? Well, fill in the blanks.
I did just that.
St. Augustine lived in Carthage, a hotbed of homosexuality that caused the demise of Rome when they conquered this city. It was a well known fact, like Sodom. He says on page 53 of his “Confessions” that “my soul and his soul were one soul in two bodies.” He grieved so much over his death that he was ready to commit suicide. That is not just a casual relationship between two male friends, IMO.
But what is so awful about “fessing up” as I encouraged him to do to help others?. St. Augustine did it in a book that has helped thousands (millions?) of people convert to a holy life. Who is to say, if they asked MV, whether he really WAS in a relationship of this sort prior to his conversion? Did they inquire? And if he was, so what? There was no hint that he is presently a “closet homosexual” whatsoever! Mary Magdalene is in the scriptures for zillions to see that she WAS a sinner. What does that prove if anyone would repeat it … that one is committing slander? Not at all. She became a saint, just as all of are invited to do - reform our lives and use our witness to help others.
Liza and Credo need to get a life and stop stalking every post that mentions his name. They really look foolish.
This is calumny against a Saint in heaven. That is not proof that Augustine committed that sin…
Especially when you jump to conclusions so superficially… I don’t even understand the logic behind how that connects ALLL the way to Michael Voris’ conversion story since he used discretion anyway. It could imply the typical worldy male. Etc. I did not get a hint he was referring to any of the sort. ( It says more about someone who thinks everyone must have done the sin of sodom)
I do recall, St. Teresa of Avila identifying with St. Augustine’s Confessions. Does that mean she was guilty of specific sins? I believe she didn’t have to struggle with the sins against Chastity , so again, to go from that flimsy allusion to St. Augustine , and therefore imply it about another person, who points to Augustine as someone they relate to in having a “past”
Maybe Voris threw a bunch pears at pigs for all we know.
I am more irked by the claims against St. Augustine.
such an unwise and irresponsible use of the tongue…
It is these same accusations that Homosexuals use against Church members and Historic figures among St. Augustine to Jesus himself.
It’s basic knowledge among Catholics to know that centuries earlier people didn’t have the same (debased 21st century ) view on friendship and the words involving different kinds of Love, then the meaningless intimacy. Intimacy wasn’t interpreted in concluding it always ended sexually, and this is observed a lot when studying how earlier figures described their friendships…
and if you read Confessions on a whole you would see the context of which Augustine grieved over a friend of his who died, and it had nothing to do with sexual laisons since Augustine talks about how he couldn’t give up women while delaying his conversion.
Another section, of Confessions , Augustine condemns the sin of sodom and speaks of it, not as one, who seemed to be "guilty " of it personally, but of disgust.
Just because homosexuality existed at the time in the use of the term “hotbed” doesn’t invite such flimsy specious deductions — so everyone who lived in San Francisco today?, and wasn’t living a chaste life, then writes a book alluding to “they used to be sinful” everyone should jump to the conclusion, that they engaged in the sin of Sodom??
“His soul and my soul were one in two bodies " how is it not possibly , a modern day, allusion between two dudes, “twins in a womb” or " brothers from another mother” believe me, back then, aristotlean idea of , “friendships” existed, much more frequency then.
The insinuation is so reckless, it’s no better than when people try to project 21st century assumptions onto people as late as the 18th century and conclude something perverse, to the back to the first century with Jesus and the apostles…
Anyway, very bad cheap shot if anyone has a problem with any public member of the Body’s approach or style and his apostalate, then pray for them, rather than showing partiality towards this personality or that. We realize we are all bumbling are way in how best to do God’s will daily.
