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I was watching an episode of Mythbusters the other day and they tried to debunk a conspiracy theory that people get mind control microchips implanted in their bloodstream when giving blood…and then I’m always hearing about the “Mark of the Beast” microchip conspiracies and it’s really got me worried.

Can a microchip really force us to do something we don’t want to do? Can it cause us to live in a “matrix” type of situation? Does the Church reject these microchips?
 
I was watching an episode of Mythbusters the other day and they tried to debunk a conspiracy theory that people get mind control microchips implanted in their bloodstream when giving blood…and then I’m always hearing about the “Mark of the Beast” microchip conspiracies and it’s really got me worried.

Can a microchip really force us to do something we don’t want to do? Can it cause us to live in a “matrix” type of situation? Does the Church reject these microchips?
I can see where microchips can trigger thoughts, emotions and pleasures, in accordance with classical conditioning. I see this as a technological revolution that can be put to good. The day is coming, I believe, when spiritual rewards become more motivating than monetary rewards. Each person can receive exactly what they deserve for work performed (the last can truly be the first in spiritual experiences). The problem of low morality in the world can be eliminated.
 
I can see where microchips can trigger thoughts, emotions and pleasures, in accordance with classical conditioning. I see this as a technological revolution that can be put to good. The day is coming, I believe, when spiritual rewards become more motivating than monetary rewards. Each person can receive exactly what they deserve for work performed (the last can truly be the first in spiritual experiences). The problem of low morality in the world can be eliminated.
Who makes the decision as to who gets rewarded, and for what?
 
Who makes the decision as to who gets rewarded, and for what?
God! Nobody knows what other’s are experiencing, so jealousy and envy would be minimal. So much worldly knowledge that everyone could be kept content with their own individual knowledge.

I really believe this is happening, and I believe religion can be the highest form of knowledge from God. Right now God uses the Holy Spirit to enlightening us to religion.

BTW: There are pleasure centers in the brain that can be highly motivating. Animals with electrodes to this pleasure center can cause the animal to forgo food, sex, and everything else that interferes with this pleasure. These animals will keep performing the task of receiving these activations in the pleasure centers until they drop dead of exhaustion.
 
I was watching an episode of Mythbusters the other day and they tried to debunk a conspiracy theory that people get mind control microchips implanted in their bloodstream when giving blood…and then I’m always hearing about the “Mark of the Beast” microchip conspiracies and it’s really got me worried.

Can a microchip really force us to do something we don’t want to do? Can it cause us to live in a “matrix” type of situation? Does the Church reject these microchips?
Unless you, or someone you know, think you’re mind-controlled, it’s 100% nonsense. There are real conspiracies out there but they require proof, instead we have the following nonsense.

The internet creates products, including sites that create fake conspiracies. The more eyeballs they get, the more money they can charge for advertising. It’s that simple and it’s been going on for at least a few centuries with people who claim to be able to read your mind and read your palm and predict your future to people who claim they can contact the dead.

And there are people who are paid money to spread this junk on the internet. They are called astroturf.

All of this is not to be taken seriously by anyone.

Peace,
Ed
 
Unless you, or someone you know, think you’re mind-controlled, it’s 100% nonsense. There are real conspiracies out there but they require proof, instead we have the following nonsense.

The internet creates products, including sites that create fake conspiracies. The more eyeballs they get, the more money they can charge for advertising. It’s that simple and it’s been going on for at least a few centuries with people who claim to be able to read your mind and read your palm and predict your future to people who claim they can contact the dead.

And there are people who are paid money to spread this junk on the internet. They are called astroturf.

All of this is not to be taken seriously by anyone.

Peace,
Ed
If we are told that everything we perceive is just an illusion created by the goverment through mind control (including our Catechism that we are supposedly reading)…then can we infallibly know that is false since it conflicts with the church’s teachings and trust the church’s stance no matter how much “evidence” the mind control speculation has?
 
Maybe microchips are a sinister agenda of the powers that be. But there’s also the dumbing down of society. The distorted news from mainstream news media. TV sitcoms with ungodly themes. Religious liberties being eroded in a stealthy manner.
 
There are a lot of people making a lot of money from conspiracy theories. There are also a lot of people who make a lot of money from science fiction.
People who fall prey to either or both usually have a limited education…which, unfortunately is the norm today.
Like it or not, the American educational system has been on a downward spiral since the 1960’s. A good example of this can be had by examining the courses offered in the last 2 years of High School in the 1950’s and compare them to what the curriculum of the so-called Junior Colleges today…they are identical. Then, take any undergraduate college major of the 1960’s and examine the junior and senior level courses for that major. Compare them to what is required for a Masters Degree today. The only notable exceptions are in Engineering, Mathematics, and the Sciences…which deal in absolutes with regards to subject matter.
There are numerous social and political reasons for this situation, and there is no solution is sight as long as we try to apply democracy to education. All men are not created equal when it comes to brains. Some people are smarter than others. And as long as
Mrs. Jones whose son has an IQ of 75 insists that he should be allowed to study Nuclear Engineering and have the state pay for it, we are doomed as a country!
 
Maybe microchips are a sinister agenda of the powers that be. But there’s also the dumbing down of society. The distorted news from mainstream news media. TV sitcoms with ungodly themes. Religious liberties being eroded in a stealthy manner.
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I was watching an episode of Mythbusters the other day and they tried to debunk a conspiracy theory that people get mind control microchips implanted in their bloodstream when giving blood…and then I’m always hearing about the “Mark of the Beast” microchip conspiracies and it’s really got me worried.

Can a microchip really force us to do something we don’t want to do? Can it cause us to live in a “matrix” type of situation? Does the Church reject these microchips?
I personally believe we are heading for a “mark of the beast” situation, as the technology is here, or nearly so. The book of Revelation is pretty specific in that “nobody could buy or sell” unless they had the “mark”. Between microchips and satellites, it’s quite possible. All you’d need would be the motivation eg. a nuclear explosion due to terrorism, particularly religious terrorism.

I’ve got a small book at home put out by the “Committee for the Future”, which was set up by the Australian ALP government in the time of Hawke’s prime ministership. This discussion for this particular topic “Issues for a Cashless Society” was chaired by a well known Australian atheist, Philip Adams.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Adams

So there was certainly no religious bent in this booklet. The booklet was published in 1987. Technology has moved a long way since then.

On page 5 it made the comment -
“In 1975, an American firm of consultants was asked to provide a way in which citizens’ behaviour could be monitor without their knowledge. The firm came up with the idea of compulsory electronic payments. To illustrate their possible use, they prepared this fictitious analysis of one person. It has been authored slightly to make it ‘Australian’.”
DAILY SURVEILLANCE SHEET
Confidential
April 22 1988
SUBJECT: Robert E. Squire, 13 Scilly Street, Springtown NSW
Male, aged 40. Married. Electrical Engineer.
Purchases: Australian Financial Review, $.70; Breakfast $5.25; Petrol $15:00, Phone (06 634 7968) $1.44, Lunch $8.40; Cocktails $10.00; ATM Withdrawals $100; Phone (02 824 7565); Case Whiskey $270.00; Sydney Morning Herald $0.90.
COMPUTER ANALYSIS
Owns shares (90% probability).
Heavy starch breakfast, probably overweight.
Bought $15 worth of petrol. Owns Volve. So far this week subject has bought $50 worth of petrol. Extensive driving beside 15k to work indicated. Purchased petrol at 7.57am at service station 10k from work. Subject probably later than usual for work. Third such occurrence this week.
Phone number 06 634 7968 belongs to J. McKenzie. McKenzie arrested illegal bookmaking in 1970, 1978 and 1982. No convictions.
Phone number 02 824 7565 belongs to Thatch, a firm specialising in hair restoration.
Drinks during lunch.
Cash withdrawal unusual. Cash now used mainly for illegal purchases or those not wished to be recorded on monthly bank statements.
Whisky purchased third case in six months. Drinking more heavily or increased entertaining.
Subject left work at approximately 4.00pm as whiskey purchased 2 km from job at 4.10pm, Subject bought newspaper at 6.30 pm near his house. No purchases in interim. Unaccounted 2 hours 20 minutes.
The nation which is likely to do this first I would imagine would be the USA. You’ve got the technology, you’ve got military arms suppliers pushing to have drones used on a large scale, you’ve got USAF officers firing missiles at Afgthan tribesmen from an air force base in Califormia or New Mexico, plans for a plane which could fly around the world in an hour (have breakfast, drive to work, take off, drop a guided bunker busting A-bomb on a terrorist hideout halfway around the world, fly back, and drive back home for lunch)
 
The type of chips that the Rockefellers and other wealthy families have worked for decades to bring about, would probably be more like an ID chip that we would put into a pet.

Eventually there will be public service advertising efforts to install ID chips in children – in much the same way as about 15 years ago they had a big push to get kids registered, fingerprinted, photos taken, and DNA evidence – all to be held by the government. Businesses had “child ID kits” on their counters and would give them away. I think it was somewhere around the time 9-year-old Nancy Shoemaker was killed. A police officer told me that realistically, if a child was abducted, DNA evidence is only likely to be useful if they find the worst has happened.

The reason the Big Bankers want chips installed, is that all financial matters could be handled through our chip. If the government felt we owed them, it would just take the money from our chip. If they became suspicious of us, they could turn off our chip and we couldn’t buy anything from the store. So it would be a power control.

Of course retailers would love it because all their transactions would be automatic and operator-error free, to a very high reliability. And they could track everything you bought, everything you returned. Every store would track who was in it at any given moment, and this would be justified under security measures. Know the customer, right? Law enforcement would probably not like it unless they themselves were exempt from chips; they’d love everybody but themselves to have them. 😛

Big Health Care wants the chips installed so that they can be attached to all medical records. Every time you see your doctor, your doctor must report it to the national health database. After some time, after we hear enough stories about child abduction, massacres, and death in general, we will convince people that if they had a chip installed and got into trouble far away from home, the ER doctors would have all your emergency records there, and have all the emergency contact information. My guess is, if chips actually do start taking off, the medical rationale will be one of the strongest.

And certainly every Big Business has an interest in 1) having every human being identified uniquely by a code that can be read from a distance by a machine, and 2) linking everything together under that one chip.

And here’s the best part. All of these forces working together would like to see this, and ultimately all they have to do is agree upon a standard and get it FDA approved (think “Norplant” except higher tech and longer lasting) then every one of these special interests can share One Chip. Like I said, it can be just like what we currently can buy for 30 bucks for our dog or cat. A scanner gives a number, tied to a database, and everything is connected from there. So you could have hundreds or even thousands of snoopy businesses and individuals watching your every move that interests each of them, and it would on take ONE chip per person to tie them all in.

Nice, eh? These are real efforts, being led by real people.

As far as micromachines that control our brains, there is no reason they couldn’t be developed, but I’m guessing that ones like the OP describes are probably not ready for the market yet. So I’d say it’s very unlikely we get them in blood products now, but I’d also say that all bets are off for 20 years from now. It wouldn’t surprise me to see micromachines taking out cancer cells sooner than that, though, because I would think that’s a simpler task to recognize cells with cancerous DNA and more palatable to more possible funding sources for the research.

Alan
 
The nation which is likely to do this first I would imagine would be the USA. You’ve got the technology, you’ve got military arms suppliers pushing to have drones used on a large scale, you’ve got USAF officers firing missiles at Afgthan tribesmen from an air force base in Califormia or New Mexico, plans for a plane which could fly around the world in an hour (have breakfast, drive to work, take off, drop a guided bunker busting A-bomb on a terrorist hideout halfway around the world, fly back, and drive back home for lunch)
In case anybody thinks I’m kidding about the plane which can fly around the world in an hour, here’s a news article. It’s a rocket launched plane I might add.

dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2024526/NY-LA-12-minutes-Hypersonic-aircraft-makes-test-flight-today-California.html

And here’s an American news take on the item, with some footage of a test flight, along with the sub-title “DARPA’s “Falcon” Can Strike Anywhere in the World within an Hour”.

youtube.com/watch?v=GhNk66Ly9LE
 
I personally believe we are heading for a “mark of the beast” situation, as the technology is here, or nearly so. The book of Revelation is pretty specific in that “nobody could buy or sell” unless they had the “mark”. Between microchips and satellites, it’s quite possible. All you’d need would be the motivation eg. a nuclear explosion due to terrorism, particularly religious terrorism.

I’ve got a small book at home put out by the “Committee for the Future”, which was set up by the Australian ALP government in the time of Hawke’s prime ministership. This discussion for this particular topic “Issues for a Cashless Society” was chaired by a well known Australian atheist, Philip Adams.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Adams

So there was certainly no religious bent in this booklet. The booklet was published in 1987. Technology has moved a long way since then.

On page 5 it made the comment -

The nation which is likely to do this first I would imagine would be the USA. You’ve got the technology, you’ve got military arms suppliers pushing to have drones used on a large scale, you’ve got USAF officers firing missiles at Afgthan tribesmen from an air force base in Califormia or New Mexico, plans for a plane which could fly around the world in an hour (have breakfast, drive to work, take off, drop a guided bunker busting A-bomb on a terrorist hideout halfway around the world, fly back, and drive back home for lunch)
This is pure, 100%, unadulterated baloney. I read a book in 1979 that made similar claims with zero “predictions” coming true and zero evidence decades later.

It’s not going on now and it’s not going to happen now. This is just the type of unexamined fear-mongering that gets posted here by anonymous people on a fairly regular basis.

Defense contractors have no ability to act on their own. Speaking as a writer, this wouldn’t even make a good SF story.

Does anyone here know the actual spec.s for a “bunker busting” weapon? Nuclear weapons are very bad. That’s why nobody’s used one in combat since 1945.

Peace,
Ed
 
We already have the power of the Holy Spirit living in us. It’s up to God, but He can produce spiritual rewards for working or worship. I believe that God has the power to reward good behavior and punish bad behavior using spirituality. God probably has access to the pleasure centers of the brain that control euphoric behavior in humans. I can imagine these spiritual rewards can outdo anything that ‘science’ has to offer. These spiritual rewards can also outdo monetary rewards when it comes to work.
 
At some level I feel that conspiracy theories are like the demonic. When you have absolutely no experience with the demonic it sounds too far-fetched and you roll your eyes whenever people bring up the subject. Then if you actually experience the reality of it people just don’t believe you: people call you a madman or a liar when you try to share the discovery.
 
This is pure, 100%, unadulterated baloney. I read a book in 1979 that made similar claims with zero “predictions” coming true and zero evidence decades later.

It’s not going on now and it’s not going to happen now. This is just the type of unexamined fear-mongering that gets posted here by anonymous people on a fairly regular basis.

Defense contractors have no ability to act on their own. Speaking as a writer, this wouldn’t even make a good SF story.

Does anyone here know the actual spec.s for a “bunker busting” weapon? Nuclear weapons are very bad. That’s why nobody’s used one in combat since 1945.

Peace,
Ed
I can easily see something like this happening. Did you predict 9/11 or the raft of anti-terrorism laws which came into being afterwards?

For example the US Partriot Act, or the controversy around Guatenamo Bay in Cuba?

This is an article on human rights threats via the UK legislation.

article19.org/data/files/pdfs/analysis/terrorism-submission-to-icj-panel.pdf

This one relates to the Australian scene.

humanrights.gov.au/letstalkaboutrights/downloads/HRA_counter_terrorism.pdf

Yet despite these curtailments of our rights, most citizens have hardly raised a whimper.

As for electronic commerce, we now use it all the time, far more so than in 1987, when the booklet I mentioned was published. The booklet is an offiicial government publication, link provided -

catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1838545

This is a link to the SSA’s intended use of electronic transfers.

fcw.com/articles/2010/12/13/ssa-envisioned-to-go-90-percent-electronic.aspx

And the current Australian scene -

eftposaustralia.com.au/docs/media-releases/australia-edging-to-cashless-society.pdf

It would not be difficult for a goverment, following a large terrorist atrocity, to justify forcing everyone to use electonic commerce, particulary in Western nations which already have sufficient electronic infrastructure.

This would also have on a huge influence on the Moslem Hawala system, which in the long run depends on cash, although other goods and services can be used. It’s a bit difficult to see how a terrorist system could go about promising services however for the purchase of expensive arms. And with all due respect, the most likely cause of a terrorist incident these days would be a Moslem group.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

The USA is developing a plane which can orbit the globe in an hour, already monitors a very large percentage of mobile phone calls, internet messages, and with the freedom to wire tap vastly expanded, probably land lines as well. When would be terrorists are prevented from carrying out their attacks, the anti-terrorist outfits got their info from somewhere.

You may think it’s rubbish - I don’t.
 
I was watching an episode of Mythbusters the other day and they tried to debunk a conspiracy theory that people get mind control microchips implanted in their bloodstream when giving blood…and then I’m always hearing about the “Mark of the Beast” microchip conspiracies and it’s really got me worried.

Can a microchip really force us to do something we don’t want to do? Can it cause us to live in a “matrix” type of situation? Does the Church reject these microchips?
Ben,
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 There are some things that are beyond our sphere of influence & interaction.  You have to learn to trust in Christ and give to Him  problems that are beyond our control and too great for our humanity to bear alone.
Many Blessings,
BP
 
I am not sure about the situation in Australia, but if you use a credit card or debit card, all of that information is being collected by the bank or other issuer of the card. And the kind of profile that can be created from that information is certainly something which could have been done in the 1970s.

If this isn’t being done yet, it will be. But it won’t be government which does it, but private businesses which sell profiles of customers to advertisers.

And if you want to update the scenario to 2012, the internet is a major source of personal information for data-mining about an individual. Some websites, such as Facebook, specialize in gathering as much information as possible about each user, and creating a profile which can be marketed to advertisers. Facebook doesn’t sell its database of member profiles directly to other businesses… at least not yet.

Internet tracking is very sophisticated. Super-cookies are installed into the browser of persons who visit a given website. That super-cookie then tracks every other webpage, no matter where on the internet, that the person may later visit. Information which a person types into any given webpage may be harvested and added to the growing profile which the cookie-issuer is collecting. Again, all of this is driven by businesses eager to sell information to advertisers.

Government isn’t the threat to privacy. Unfettered capitalism is the real threat.

BTW, the scenario you cited required a person to use the same credit card or debit card for all purchases. But banks, at least in the US, are now selling their database of purchase histories to other businesses. So pooling the information from multiple card issuers would be very feasible.
I’d like anybody to watch this short video about Internet Tracking and try to tell me it isn’t an alarming situation.

Don’t believe it can happen to you? Download a Firefox plug-in named Collusion and find out how many sites are tracking you, personally.

And if you think the government is going to respect the privacy of the information collected by these companies, how many times has the government tried to break the seal of the confessional – and in some specific cases, succeeding?

Alan
 
I can easily see something like this happening. Did you predict 9/11 or the raft of anti-terrorism laws which came into being afterwards?

For example the US Partriot Act, or the controversy around Guatenamo Bay in Cuba?

This is an article on human rights threats via the UK legislation.

article19.org/data/files/pdfs/analysis/terrorism-submission-to-icj-panel.pdf

This one relates to the Australian scene.

humanrights.gov.au/letstalkaboutrights/downloads/HRA_counter_terrorism.pdf

Yet despite these curtailments of our rights, most citizens have hardly raised a whimper.

As for electronic commerce, we now use it all the time, far more so than in 1987, when the booklet I mentioned was published. The booklet is an offiicial government publication, link provided -

catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1838545

This is a link to the SSA’s intended use of electronic transfers.

fcw.com/articles/2010/12/13/ssa-envisioned-to-go-90-percent-electronic.aspx

And the current Australian scene -

eftposaustralia.com.au/docs/media-releases/australia-edging-to-cashless-society.pdf

It would not be difficult for a goverment, following a large terrorist atrocity, to justify forcing everyone to use electonic commerce, particulary in Western nations which already have sufficient electronic infrastructure.

This would also have on a huge influence on the Moslem Hawala system, which in the long run depends on cash, although other goods and services can be used. It’s a bit difficult to see how a terrorist system could go about promising services however for the purchase of expensive arms. And with all due respect, the most likely cause of a terrorist incident these days would be a Moslem group.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

The USA is developing a plane which can orbit the globe in an hour, already monitors a very large percentage of mobile phone calls, internet messages, and with the freedom to wire tap vastly expanded, probably land lines as well. When would be terrorists are prevented from carrying out their attacks, the anti-terrorist outfits got their info from somewhere.

You may think it’s rubbish - I don’t.
I have been following the development of technology starting from that in place during World War II. All of this is far-fetched and highly unlikely.

The United States has a rocket-boosted aerospace plane that can reach any part of the globe in an hour but it’s not designed to track how often you buy dog biscuits online. It is an alternative to land and sea-based nuclear weapons platforms.

Yes, the National Security Agency does have, and has had, a number of satellites parked along one side of the planet for years. So what? Voice-recognition software is already available to the public and key word identification software is available to the intelligence community. Say the wrong thing and the system flags a real human to listen in. The average person is a predictable, mundane, habitual creature that does the same things day in and day out. I am certain that various agencies, including the FBI on up, have profile patterns that predetermines scenarios where a person or group of persons goes “off pattern.” The average person cannot fly from country to country on a whim and inventories of all capable vehicles, including private aircraft and watercraft, is kept on hand.

Each branch of the American armed forces has its own intelligence group. Along with the CIA we have the Defense Intelligence Agency.

The Mafia, and its prostitutes and drug dealers, will not likely accept VISA. Liquid cash for this underground economy would affect their, and their competitors’, global network and banks who launder their money.

During the 1960s and 1970s, the FBI had files on everyone involved in the Civil Rights movement, radical anarchist, and “activist” communities. They even had a file on John Lennon. And that without the technology we have today.

Terrorists is a nice, meaningless word that can cover any group that seeks to cause damage to the United States. Those lost in the 9/11 attack are nothing compared to fleets of B-52 bombers carpet bombing entire areas or even World War II artillery bombardments that lasted for hours.

The microchip fiction is just that, a fiction. A red flag appears every time some nameless, faceless, totally anonymous person attempts to get our attention here by breathlessly posting “be afraid!” I saw this or heard that and “they” are going to do it!!! What do you think? What does the Vatican know? What will happen!!! Please be afraid! I’m a nut or deluded or someone who got paid money to post this drivel! Please react!!! Now!!!

The internet is a propaganda tool and sadly, an instant outlet for anyone, including the unstable.

Peace,
Ed
 
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