Might Judas be in Heaven?

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It brings no joy to me, but when you look at the facts:
  1. It is always better to have been born if you will eventually be in heaven. No earthly punishment or that in Purgatory could remove that eternal joy, or God would not be the ultimate good that He is.
  2. Our Lord Himself stated that it would have been better for him to never have been born.
  1. Jesus would not lie, especially about a matter so grave and important for us to learn straight from His infallible Scripture.
  1. Jesus, being God, knew with certainty the outcome, including if Judas would repent in time.
QED: We can be certain from infallible Scripture that Judas indeed went to hell.

This I find tragic, and a sobering thought when I would presume upon God’s mercy.
 
It brings no joy to me, but when you look at the facts:
  1. It is always better to have been born if you will eventually be in heaven. No earthly punishment or that in Purgatory could remove that eternal joy, or God would not be the ultimate good that He is.
  2. Our Lord Himself stated that it would have been better for him to never have been born.
  1. Jesus would not lie, especially about a matter so grave and important for us to learn straight from His infallible Scripture.
  1. Jesus, being God, knew with certainty the outcome, including if Judas would repent in time.
QED: We can be certain from infallible Scripture that Judas indeed went to hell.

This I find tragic, and a sobering thought when I would presume upon God’s mercy.
I agree. Too many people are claiming that the Church has never declared someone to be in hell. Your point makes it clear that this is not absolutely the case. The Holy Spirit Who inspired Sacred Scripture is the same Voice of the Church, and let’s not forget the words are from the Second Person of the Holy Trinity and in books canonized by the Catholic Church. The Church does not need to make a clear and definitive teaching on Judas being in hell because Sacred Scripture makes this clear already and it is not a point of division or heresy when it comes to our faith. Judas being in hell has nothing to do with any article we profess, thus it does not need to be defined again. Jesus took care of that. Only if a heresy pops up that uses Judas’ fate as a springboard would the Church need to define it once again.

There is also no benefit in declaring a person to be in hell, though I personally believe that the Church does have the power to do so if She has the power to declare a person to be in heaven. One is declared a saint primarily to be a model for us still living. By not declaring someone a saint serves the purpose of not fully endorsing that person as a model for us, thus we pray for them rather than to them.
 
A quote from Douay-Rheims Bible John Chapter 17 verses 11 -12: Jesus in the last supper:

[11] And now I am not in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name whom thou has given me; that they may be one, as we also are. [12] While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled.

Thus Judas is the son of perdition.
Exactly. Jesus knew that Judas was the “son of perdition”. Anyone that doesn’t think Judas is in hell, doesn’t understand what Jesus said about him.

I’ve also read about an exorcist in the past that mentioned Judas being one of the demons that they had exorcised from a person. I couldn’t remember any specifics about who it was, but it might have been the one you mentioned, or another one. Exorcists always demand that the demon give them their name, so they know who they’re dealing with and can use their own name to defeat them.

I think when Jesus chose Judas, He already knew what he would do. Many people question why Jesus would even choose someone that would betray Him. Some speculate it was only to fulfill the scriptural reference, but I think it’s much more than that. I think Judas represents the ‘lukewarm’. Those of us that only follow Jesus halfheartedly, because we really don’t have true faith in Him, are a lot like Judas. Deep down inside, he didn’t really believe what Jesus taught. He wasn’t the Messiah that Judas wanted, or expected Him to be. We might only follow Jesus to please our families and friends. Or, it could be that we like the social aspects of getting together with our friends at church, because it makes us feel like we’re a part of something bigger, even if we don’t really believe in living the way Jesus wants us to live.

Some of us might also be more like the Pharisees, who just wanted to appear to be ‘holy’ in front of others. They were also lukewarm, because they had a very limited and narrow view of what following their faith meant. Maybe we’re like Judas because we have ulterior motives like him and the Pharisees did. I can’t help but think about the preachers who only preach the Gospel to make a fortune and live a lavish lifestyle, either from the donations that people give to them, or from the many books that they sell. That’s what the Pharisees and Judas did, too.

People like them know that there will always be ‘gullible’ individuals, that will believe whatever they tell them as long as they can ‘put on a good act’. So, they prey on the simplicity of faith that those people really do possess. Then, they play on their sympathies when they claim to need their financial support to help them ‘feed the poor’. But, all they’re really interested in doing is lining their own pockets, first.

So, I believe Judas represents all those that will cry, “Lord, Lord!”, but Jesus will answer, “I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.” Jesus wanted there to be a perfect example among those whom He chose to follow Him, to show us what we shouldn’t do if we really want to get to Heaven. He wanted us to realize that there’s much more to following Him than many of us might think. Unless we’re willing to really live our whole lives according to what He taught us, we can still end up in hell by picking and choosing only those parts we want to believe, and by being wishy-washy in practicing our faith.
 
I cannot speak for God, but we do have an all merciful God. Now we were all taught in that blue Baltimore catechism that God knows all things past, present, and future. Do you really think that God would select one of his children (Judas) and condemn him to death and hell, or is it possible that God selected Judas to fulfill scripture that Jesus will die for us and Judas was part of that scripture by turning Jesus over.
 
I cannot speak for God, but we do have an all merciful God. Now we were all taught in that blue Baltimore catechism that God knows all things past, present, and future. Do you really think that God would select one of his children (Judas) and condemn him to death and hell, or is it possible that God selected Judas to fulfill scripture that Jesus will die for us and Judas was part of that scripture by turning Jesus over.
 
I cannot speak for God, but we do have an all merciful God. Now we were all taught in that blue Baltimore catechism that God knows all things past, present, and future. Do you really think that God would select one of his children (Judas) and condemn him to death and hell, or is it possible that God selected Judas to fulfill scripture that Jesus will die for us and Judas was part of that scripture by turning Jesus over.
God doesn’t condemn someone to hell, a person chooses that themselves. God sees all time though, and knew from the beginning the choices Judas would make. So He knew Judas would be the son of perdition even when He selected him as an Apostle.
 
But, the Church has approved of the stated messages St. Catherine of Vienna received from God the Father who said Judas was in Hell-not because of his betrayal, but because he misjudged His ability for mercy-the sin of despair.
 
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I cannot speak for God, but we do have an all merciful God. Now we were all taught in that blue Baltimore catechism that God knows all things past, present, and future. Do you really think that God would select one of his children (Judas) and condemn him to death and hell, or is it possible that God selected Judas to fulfill scripture that Jesus will die for us and Judas was part of that scripture by turning Jesus over.
 
But, the Church has approved of the stated messages St. Catherine of Vienna received from God the Father who said Judas was in Hell-not because of his betrayal, but because he misjudged His ability for mercy-the sin of despair.
But that’s a private revelation, so even if it is approved by the Church you can still not believe it. In any case, I’m persuaded there are people in Hell, probably many people, possibly most of those who already died. Judas may or may not be there because he showed signs of remorse when he rejected the coins. He hanged himself (which is a grave sin) but in his last throngs of life he could well have asked for forgiveness to Our Lord. Knowledgeable people say that when you’re about to die time seems to slow down; he could have had just enough time to repent. I don’t know and, honestly, that’s something I do not think a lot about.
 
You make some good points, antunesaa. I mentioned that the Church gave her acceptance of this private revelation to lend some support for the idea that Judas is in Hell, but to be perfectly honest, we do not have to believe in any private revelation, no matter how concrete the evidence may be.

There are also some comments from Scripture that lead us to believe that Judas went to Hell. I don’t think either side can be sure.
 
I realize that none of us can answer these questions with certainty, but he obviously felt bad about what he did, although he then went on to commit another sin, suicide. I sometimes wonder if Judas went through purgatory. Of course we cannot know the answers to this. Curious to know what you guys think about this?
The question of Judas is very interesting. Here is a thought to think about. Why would Jesus select a man like Judas to be one of His Apostles if He knew beforehand he might end up in Hell. Certainly there are many other men who would fill in the position of being an Apostle without ending up in Hell. I wonder why would Jesus ever select someone like that since the Lord knew everything? Perhaps we need to look at Judas from a different perspective. Why would Judas betray the Lord and what was his motive to do this? Many people believe it was because Judas wanted to destroy Jesus. This interpretation does not make sense since Judas went on to kill himself. If Judas wanted the death of Jesus than why did he kill himself? Perhaps it was the motive by which Judas had taken. If you knew this person Jesus was God and you wanted to prove to the Pharisees that this Jesus is God than allow this Jesus to prove it by putting this same Jesus to be in a situation that will force Him to get out of it. So Judas planned this not to see Jesus die but in order that Jesus will force Himself out of this situation once placed upon Him. The problem for Judas was Jesus was unwillingly to get Himself out of this situation. This explains why Judas became scared and threw the money back. Judas became scared when Jesus was sentenced to death. Jesus would not play into the bluff of His Apostle. He would not be forced into displaying His power to get out of this situation as He did many other times before.

Whether Judas is in Hell or not we do not know but let me put this to you. We know that Judas had killed himself in a suicide. Now if God could have granted Judas this Grace just before he died and this Grace would have helped Judas to understand to know His mercy would you as God prevent it. Of course not. God could have given Judas at his last moments this saving Grace if the saving Grace would be accepted by Judas. Since the Lord Jesus probably prayed more prayers than anyone else for Judas why would Jesus not answer His own prayer if the Grace of God would have worked on Judas at that last moment. There was a time when St. Padre Pio had written to someone not to worry about the person’s suicide because God had given to this person His saving Grace at that last moment. If God could do the same to Judas I do not think He would have prevented it. We must leave this up with God.
 
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