Might only FEW go to Hell? (I'm thinking so.)

[Lightscape]

I have a theory that perhaps the only people who ACTUALLY go to Hell are those who are at the level of sociopaths and narcissists (a portion of society that is truly BLACK). This would include your common dark-natured person, who doesn’t necessarily try hard to be charming/manipulative.

There’s a thought exercise that can help you see why I wonder if this is the case:

• If one of your own children commits a sin, would you throw him into your fireplace, stomp him into position, slam the door shut, and let him burn alive, screaming? And leave him there FOREVER?

No, and it’s for this reason: you don’t think he deserves it. You can only justify him deserving a punishment that is MUCH, MUCH less… including NO punishment, sometimes… because even little old broken, imperfect YOU have too much mercy and compassion. (in fact, let’s be honest: we have FAR, FAR too much mercy and compassion… which I think is part of why we don’t punish our children that way, and why we aren’t ever asked to.) So how much MORE do you think GOD would see things that way, and only design that someone who is truly black would deserve this kind of ultimate, eternal punishment?

The reasoning is this: if narcissists/sociopaths/dark-natured-people were given the CHANCE, with no law to prevent them, no people to mock them, and no fear of God’s judgement, they would exploit and ravage other human beings to absolutely… no… end. Words cannot even describe the extent that these people would go to serve themselves, if they had the chance.

If they were given a span of time in which they could carry out their intentions without ANY obstruction, I think probably any breathing human being who watched them WOULD want to throw them into a fire, seal it, and let them burn alive, screaming. (in fact it would probably feel GOOD to watch them, if you had just witnessed their actions.)

That’s a little part of my thinking.

So I often wonder if Hell may be a place only for people who are so evil that anyone could understand why they would go there.

There are other little details I’ve heard that perhaps leave the door open. One quick one is:
Somewhere in the Bible it says that the dragon swept 1/3 of the stars (angels) out of the sky, and hurled them at the earth. (Notice ONLY 1/3)… So, it could correlate if you believed that 1/3 of PEOPLE (or less, I think?) were ALSO dark natured, and “lost”.

But the actual status of “sociopath” or “narcissist” is reserved for those who have actually adopted that SPECIFIC type of behavior, which is rare. (about 1 in 100 people for each group, statistically) All the rest of the 1/3 (or whatever amount) would be your typical NON-charming dark natured people. (They embody more normal behaviors, but still carry the same dark threads of self-serving, and, when given an open door, more extreme behaviors that you won’t see that often.)

Any opinions?

 

[MtnDwellar]

Your thinking is not far from the mark. Could a person who does not feel guilt and repent be considered a sociopath? If yes, then those are the souls who are damned. Their number is probably greater than a “few”.

 

[Pfaffenhoffen]

I have a theory that perhaps the only people who ACTUALLY go to Hell are those who are at the level of sociopaths and narcissists (a portion of society that is truly BLACK). This would include your common dark-natured person, who doesn’t necessarily try hard to be charming/manipulative.

There’s a thought exercise that can help you see why I wonder if this is the case:

• If one of your own children commits a sin, would you throw him into your fireplace, stomp him into position, slam the door shut, and let him burn alive, screaming? And leave him there FOREVER?

No, and it’s for this reason: you don’t think he deserves it. You can only justify him deserving a punishment that is MUCH, MUCH less… including NO punishment, sometimes… because even little old broken, imperfect YOU have too much mercy and compassion. (in fact, let’s be honest: we have FAR, FAR too much mercy and compassion… which I think is part of why we don’t punish our children that way, and why we aren’t ever asked to.) So how much MORE do you think GOD would see things that way, and only design that someone who is truly black would deserve this kind of ultimate, eternal punishment?

The reasoning is this: if narcissists/sociopaths/dark-natured-people were given the CHANCE, with no law to prevent them, no people to mock them, and no fear of God’s judgement, they would exploit and ravage other human beings to absolutely… no… end. Words cannot even describe the extent that these people would go to serve themselves, if they had the chance.

If they were given a span of time in which they could carry out their intentions without ANY obstruction, I think probably any breathing human being who watched them WOULD want to throw them into a fire, seal it, and let them burn alive, screaming. (in fact it would probably feel GOOD to watch them, if you had just witnessed their actions.)

That’s a little part of my thinking.

So I often wonder if Hell may be a place only for people who are so evil that anyone could understand why they would go there.

There are other little details I’ve heard that perhaps leave the door open. One quick one is:
Somewhere in the Bible it says that the dragon swept 1/3 of the stars (angels) out of the sky, and hurled them at the earth. (Notice ONLY 1/3)… So, it could correlate if you believed that 1/3 of PEOPLE (or less, I think?) were ALSO dark natured, and “lost”.

But the actual status of “sociopath” or “narcissist” is reserved for those who have actually adopted that SPECIFIC type of behavior, which is rare. (about 1 in 100 people for each group, statistically) All the rest of the 1/3 (or whatever amount) would be your typical NON-charming dark natured people. (They embody more normal behaviors, but still carry the same dark threads of self-serving, and, when given an open door, more extreme behaviors that you won’t see that often.)

Any opinions?

You may produce a 500 page text.
It is Christ who decides.

 

[ZDHayden]

You may produce a 500 page text.
It is Christ who decides.

I would be hesitant to come to the same conclusion. Our God is described as loving and merciful, is He not? How can a loving god actively cast ANYONE away? I am NOT saying that there is no one in Hell - I am disagreeing with how they get there, specifically who sends them. If God IS love, then He quite possibly could not bear to send anyone to Hell. I think that it is we who determine, ultimately, whether we go to Heaven or Hell. We choose, every day, to walk closer to Hell or to Heaven. God loves us to such a great extent that he permits us this choice: to be with him or to not.

I sometimes think that those poor souls in Hell are tortured, not by Hell - it is just a state of the soul separated from God - but by their own regret and the purity of God’s love, which they spurned. I do not know about anyone else, but for me, knowing I have disappointed or even betrayed some one who loves me hurts far worse than any physical pain. If this can be applied to the soul, I do not think apathetic teenagers (a temporary insanity we all go through), sociopaths or the like would be any different, for there is a problem with the brain, not the soul. The brain is an organ which will eventually decay and die. The brain is not always an accurate barometer of the soul. Perhaps, at the general resurrection at the end of time, our new brains will be perfect barometers of our souls, for sin in this life corrupts: sin in this life is disease.

Sin is the disease which causes us to be pained by God; sin is also the disease which makes us insensitive to God. Like any disease, different people will show different symptoms at different times in their lives.

 

[Flyingg]

I have a theory that perhaps the only people who ACTUALLY go to Hell are those who are at the level of sociopaths and narcissists (a portion of society that is truly BLACK). This would include your common dark-natured person, who doesn’t necessarily try hard to be charming/manipulative.

There’s a thought exercise that can help you see why I wonder if this is the case:

• If one of your own children commits a sin, would you throw him into your fireplace, stomp him into position, slam the door shut, and let him burn alive, screaming? And leave him there FOREVER?

No, and it’s for this reason: you don’t think he deserves it. You can only justify him deserving a punishment that is MUCH, MUCH less… including NO punishment, sometimes… because even little old broken, imperfect YOU have too much mercy and compassion. (in fact, let’s be honest: we have FAR, FAR too much mercy and compassion… which I think is part of why we don’t punish our children that way, and why we aren’t ever asked to.) So how much MORE do you think GOD would see things that way, and only design that someone who is truly black would deserve this kind of ultimate, eternal punishment?

The reasoning is this: if narcissists/sociopaths/dark-natured-people were given the CHANCE, with no law to prevent them, no people to mock them, and no fear of God’s judgement, they would exploit and ravage other human beings to absolutely… no… end. Words cannot even describe the extent that these people would go to serve themselves, if they had the chance.

If they were given a span of time in which they could carry out their intentions without ANY obstruction, I think probably any breathing human being who watched them WOULD want to throw them into a fire, seal it, and let them burn alive, screaming. (in fact it would probably feel GOOD to watch them, if you had just witnessed their actions.)

That’s a little part of my thinking.

So I often wonder if Hell may be a place only for people who are so evil that anyone could understand why they would go there.

There are other little details I’ve heard that perhaps leave the door open. One quick one is:
Somewhere in the Bible it says that the dragon swept 1/3 of the stars (angels) out of the sky, and hurled them at the earth. (Notice ONLY 1/3)… So, it could correlate if you believed that 1/3 of PEOPLE (or less, I think?) were ALSO dark natured, and “lost”.

But the actual status of “sociopath” or “narcissist” is reserved for those who have actually adopted that SPECIFIC type of behavior, which is rare. (about 1 in 100 people for each group, statistically) All the rest of the 1/3 (or whatever amount) would be your typical NON-charming dark natured people. (They embody more normal behaviors, but still carry the same dark threads of self-serving, and, when given an open door, more extreme behaviors that you won’t see that often.)

Any opinions?

A loving God would not allow any being to experience pain. That’s my opinion since you asked.

 

[michaelmas]

I am not a Bible scholar but at one time there was a gospel or apocalypse of Peter and in that book which matched the current approved books in stories and miracles of the Bible and thus was seriously considered to be part of the Bible. BUT there was 1 caveat, Jesus died for us as a sacrifice for our sins and thus we all are now heaven bound. It isn’t part of the BIble because of that statement.

The other comment I have is on the term “black”. Yes, there are people who do very bad things but the question is why do they? Could it be the devil? Could it be a mental disorder of the mind? We “white” people choose not to kill or murder because it never enters our minds. These other folks have got to have something not quite right in the head to take a life, it isn’t natural to kill folk.

There is a book titled Purgatory, if you are interested take a look at it. Purgatory is no piece of cake and reminds me of your parent analogy. In the book a number of Saints describe it as something terrible but yet hopeful.

 

[Heuchler]

“Enter in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leads to life: and few there are that find it!”

 

[Irish_Polock]

“Enter in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leads to life: and few there are that find it!”

Exactly, to over think this question and not consider what Christ has told us, would be erroneous. Our God is indeed merciful, but, He is also just.

 

[seagal]

Think about this: how many people commit mortal sins because they don’t believe they are actually mortal sins? Even though they are aware of the church’s teaching on such sins (i.e. masturbation, birth control) they think the church must have gotten it wrong. They aren’t repentant, not because they are sociopaths but because they don’t think they’ve done anything to feel guilty about. It’s not just the psychopaths or really “evil” people who turn from God. Evil is more insidious than you think and it’s terrifyingly easy to fall into the trap of justifying something to yourself. That’s what Jesus meant by “wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction”.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I have a theory that perhaps the only people who ACTUALLY go to Hell are those who are at the level of sociopaths and narcissists (a portion of society that is truly BLACK). This would include your common dark-natured person, who doesn’t necessarily try hard to be charming/manipulative.

There’s a thought exercise that can help you see why I wonder if this is the case:

• If one of your own children commits a sin, would you throw him into your fireplace, stomp him into position, slam the door shut, and let him burn alive, screaming? And leave him there FOREVER?

No, and it’s for this reason: you don’t think he deserves it. You can only justify him deserving a punishment that is MUCH, MUCH less… including NO punishment, sometimes… because even little old broken, imperfect YOU have too much mercy and compassion. (in fact, let’s be honest: we have FAR, FAR too much mercy and compassion… which I think is part of why we don’t punish our children that way, and why we aren’t ever asked to.) So how much MORE do you think GOD would see things that way, and only design that someone who is truly black would deserve this kind of ultimate, eternal punishment?

The reasoning is this: if narcissists/sociopaths/dark-natured-people were given the CHANCE, with no law to prevent them, no people to mock them, and no fear of God’s judgement, they would exploit and ravage other human beings to absolutely… no… end. Words cannot even describe the extent that these people would go to serve themselves, if they had the chance.

If they were given a span of time in which they could carry out their intentions without ANY obstruction, I think probably any breathing human being who watched them WOULD want to throw them into a fire, seal it, and let them burn alive, screaming. (in fact it would probably feel GOOD to watch them, if you had just witnessed their actions.)

That’s a little part of my thinking.

So I often wonder if Hell may be a place only for people who are so evil that anyone could understand why they would go there.

There are other little details I’ve heard that perhaps leave the door open. One quick one is:
Somewhere in the Bible it says that the dragon swept 1/3 of the stars (angels) out of the sky, and hurled them at the earth. (Notice ONLY 1/3)… So, it could correlate if you believed that 1/3 of PEOPLE (or less, I think?) were ALSO dark natured, and “lost”.

But the actual status of “sociopath” or “narcissist” is reserved for those who have actually adopted that SPECIFIC type of behavior, which is rare. (about 1 in 100 people for each group, statistically) All the rest of the 1/3 (or whatever amount) would be your typical NON-charming dark natured people. (They embody more normal behaviors, but still carry the same dark threads of self-serving, and, when given an open door, more extreme behaviors that you won’t see that often.)

Any opinions?

I’ve often quoted on this forum that the night my own father died, he appeared in my room. He started with an apology, we conversed (to use the easiest term) and at the end he gave this absolutely terrifying scream, and then promptly disappeared.

I think he’s in hell. I still remember the scream nearly 33 years later, and it was just sheer terror. I started to scream, and all I could see was him. I still remember getting up and turning on all the lights, checking out all the cupboards, under the bed, in the bathroom etc.

As far as I know he didn’t kill anybody (although I sometimes wonder about a “woman” - can’t pin it down though), he was generally polite to other people (to their face anyway), did his job to the best of his ability, fought in WWII, paid his taxes, generally obeyed the road rules, was cynical about politics and economics, committed no overt acts of external violence, liked fishing, probably voted Labor most of the time, was a strong believer in unions, had a tough life in some respects, and suffered a bit in other respects.

But I still think he’s in hell. He admitted the night he died, that all that was expected of him was “look after my own family, and I didn’t even do that!” He was very cruel in an emotional sense for most of my life. He also stated at one stage in our “conversation”, “I’ve been deceived!”. Now I wonder who deceived him? You only get one guess.

So was he “black” enough? Apparently.

There’s a war on, between God and the devil, and they’re not fighting for peanuts. Human souls are the battleground. And our role is to make a conscious choice - not play twiddly winks with our eternal destiny. We all know we’re going to die, and yet most of us ignore this reality for most of our lives.

I’m more cynical. But then I saw the absolute terror as hell approached, as far as I’m concerned. So I’m not as hopeful. God is merciful, but I think He gets sick and tired of being taken for granted.

Then there are other facets such as the description of hell at Fatima, and Mary’s words, “That is the fate of all poor sinners”.

Personally I think the church is asleep.

 

[philial]

Your thinking is not far from the mark. Could a person who does not feel guilt and repent be considered a sociopath? If yes, then those are the souls who are damned. Their number is probably greater than a “few”.

In charity I have to urge you to be careful, friend. - we know very little about such pathological conditions, except that they are not freely chosen, but seem related to a developemental brain dysfunction of some sort. We are all defective in one way or another - thankfully, Christ makes up for our failings.

And “does not feel guilt” - we are not protestants where subjectivism rules the day!

I’m genuinely surprized at the lack of hope, and lack of belief in the merciful nature of God our Father. It’s also as if there has developed a new heresy - a sort of post-Resurrectional Total Depravity where forgiveness & redemption is dependant on the colour of our character! Absolute nonsense, and an insult to the blood of Christ. Yes, we are all capable of sinning greatly, and I won’t fall into the ’ I am defo saved’ trap, but neither will I allow fear & self-doubt shade the colour of God’s purpose - that not one of His own be lost!

 

[thistle]

I have a theory that perhaps the only people who ACTUALLY go to Hell are those who are at the level of sociopaths and narcissists (a portion of society that is truly BLACK). This would include your common dark-natured person, who doesn’t necessarily try hard to be charming/manipulative.

There’s a thought exercise that can help you see why I wonder if this is the case:

• If one of your own children commits a sin, would you throw him into your fireplace, stomp him into position, slam the door shut, and let him burn alive, screaming? And leave him there FOREVER?

No, and it’s for this reason: you don’t think he deserves it. You can only justify him deserving a punishment that is MUCH, MUCH less… including NO punishment, sometimes… because even little old broken, imperfect YOU have too much mercy and compassion. (in fact, let’s be honest: we have FAR, FAR too much mercy and compassion… which I think is part of why we don’t punish our children that way, and why we aren’t ever asked to.) So how much MORE do you think GOD would see things that way, and only design that someone who is truly black would deserve this kind of ultimate, eternal punishment?

The reasoning is this: if narcissists/sociopaths/dark-natured-people were given the CHANCE, with no law to prevent them, no people to mock them, and no fear of God’s judgement, they would exploit and ravage other human beings to absolutely… no… end. Words cannot even describe the extent that these people would go to serve themselves, if they had the chance.

If they were given a span of time in which they could carry out their intentions without ANY obstruction, I think probably any breathing human being who watched them WOULD want to throw them into a fire, seal it, and let them burn alive, screaming. (in fact it would probably feel GOOD to watch them, if you had just witnessed their actions.)

That’s a little part of my thinking.

So I often wonder if Hell may be a place only for people who are so evil that anyone could understand why they would go there.

There are other little details I’ve heard that perhaps leave the door open. One quick one is:
Somewhere in the Bible it says that the dragon swept 1/3 of the stars (angels) out of the sky, and hurled them at the earth. (Notice ONLY 1/3)… So, it could correlate if you believed that 1/3 of PEOPLE (or less, I think?) were ALSO dark natured, and “lost”.

But the actual status of “sociopath” or “narcissist” is reserved for those who have actually adopted that SPECIFIC type of behavior, which is rare. (about 1 in 100 people for each group, statistically) All the rest of the 1/3 (or whatever amount) would be your typical NON-charming dark natured people. (They embody more normal behaviors, but still carry the same dark threads of self-serving, and, when given an open door, more extreme behaviors that you won’t see that often.)

Any opinions?

Everyone who dies in a state of mortal sin goes to Hell. That is the infallible teaching of the Church which you must believe.

 

[Jennifer_J]

I would be hesitant to come to the same conclusion. Our God is described as loving and merciful, is He not? How can a loving god actively cast ANYONE away? I am NOT saying that there is no one in Hell - I am disagreeing with how they get there, specifically who sends them. If God IS love, then He quite possibly could not bear to send anyone to Hell. I think that it is we who determine, ultimately, whether we go to Heaven or Hell. We choose, every day, to walk closer to Hell or to Heaven. God loves us to such a great extent that he permits us this choice: to be with him or to not.

I sometimes think that those poor souls in Hell are tortured, not by Hell - it is just a state of the soul separated from God - but by their own regret and the purity of God’s love, which they spurned. I do not know about anyone else, but for me, knowing I have disappointed or even betrayed some one who loves me hurts far worse than any physical pain. If this can be applied to the soul, I do not think apathetic teenagers (a temporary insanity we all go through), sociopaths or the like would be any different, for there is a problem with the brain, not the soul. The brain is an organ which will eventually decay and die. The brain is not always an accurate barometer of the soul. Perhaps, at the general resurrection at the end of time, our new brains will be perfect barometers of our souls, for sin in this life corrupts: sin in this life is disease.

Sin is the disease which causes us to be pained by God; sin is also the disease which makes us insensitive to God. Like any disease, different people will show different symptoms at different times in their lives.

God does not SEND us to Hell. We choose it. Hell is more than a place, it is a separation from God that we choose by our actions and inactions.

 

[michaelmas]

I’ve often quoted on this forum that the night my own father died, he appeared in my room. He started with an apology, we conversed (to use the easiest term) and at the end he gave this absolutely terrifying scream, and then promptly disappeared.

I think he’s in hell. I still remember the scream nearly 33 years later, and it was just sheer terror. I started to scream, and all I could see was him. I still remember getting up and turning on all the lights, checking out all the cupboards, under the bed, in the bathroom etc.

As far as I know he didn’t kill anybody (although I sometimes wonder about a “woman” - can’t pin it down though), he was generally polite to other people (to their face anyway), did his job to the best of his ability, fought in WWII, paid his taxes, generally obeyed the road rules, was cynical about politics and economics, committed no overt acts of external violence, liked fishing, probably voted Labor most of the time, was a strong believer in unions, had a tough life in some respects, and suffered a bit in other respects.

But I still think he’s in hell. He admitted the night he died, that all that was expected of him was “look after my own family, and I didn’t even do that!” He was very cruel in an emotional sense for most of my life. He also stated at one stage in our “conversation”, “I’ve been deceived!”. Now I wonder who deceived him? You only get one guess.

So was he “black” enough? Apparently.

There’s a war on, between God and the devil, and they’re not fighting for peanuts. Human souls are the battleground. And our role is to make a conscious choice - not play twiddly winks with our eternal destiny. We all know we’re going to die, and yet most of us ignore this reality for most of our lives.

I’m more cynical. But then I saw the absolute terror as hell approached, as far as I’m concerned. So I’m not as hopeful. God is merciful, but I think He gets sick and tired of being taken for granted.

Then there are other facets such as the description of hell at Fatima, and Mary’s words, “That is the fate of all poor sinners”.

Personally I think the church is asleep.

I wouldn’t pass judgement on your father. 2 things, Remember the reading of the rich brother who died and there was this huge chasm between him and the poor man in Abraham’s embrace? The rich man wanted a chance to warn his brothers and he didn’t get that chance.

Secondly, who is to say that your Father is not in purgatory? As I mentioned above, Purgatory is a lot like what hell would be except there is hope.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

**Might only FEW go to Hell? (I’m thinking so.) **

Jesus has told us many,many things about salvation AND damnation, and the reality
of BOTH. both in scripture AND in approved private revelations. So has Mary. So have other saints.

1. the road to destruction is broad,wide, and EASY TO TRAVEL and so, many DO.
   …this is absolutely true.
2. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man
   …to enter the Kingdom of God (remember that, all who greatly admire the very wealthy).
3. YET, despite the above, what is impossible with man IS POSSIBLE WITH GOD.
4. IF souls go to hell, they are ultimately to blame for final rejection of God
   BUT,
5. as Mary and the Fatima visionaries told us, WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT WITHOUT
   …OUR SHARE OF BLAME FOR THEIR DESTRUCTION, because
   a) we sin, too, and contribute to the culture of sin, crime and corruption
   b) MANY WHO REMAIN IN SIN COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED if enough believers
   …had offered fervent prayers for their conversion and salvation coupled with (in union with
   …Christ’s atoning sacrifice) acts of penance and mercy also offered, prayerfully, for
   …the conversion and salvation of ALL SINNERS.
   …MARY, at FATIMA, EXPLICITLY TOLD THE CHILDREN that MANY PEOPLE GO TO
   …HELL PRECISELY BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOBODY TO PRAY AND DO
   …GOOD WORKS, IN UNION WITH CHRIST, TO OBTAIN THEIR CONVERSION.
   So, like it or not, we are not WITHOUT fault, ourselves, for **other people **ending up in Hell.
   The Mother of the Lord said so, and we dare not contradict a saint sent from Heaven.
   I have begun to take this much more seriously than I ever did before, because God
   let me experience a terrifying situation over the past year, which I won’t go into, but it has made me realize that we are ALL doomed to hell if SOMEONE UNITED TO CHRIST does not pray for us to convert, or re-convert as often as we fall. The Church is a covenant family, and we really do support each other and help apply salvation to each other’s souls and to the souls of those who do not yet personally know Jesus and His Church.
   That is why the New Testament is FULL OF EXHORTATIONS BY THE APOSTLES,
   for us to pray for EACH OTHER (Christians) AND FOR ALL HUMAN BEINGS, not excluding the politicians who are often far more corrupt than the people they make laws against and prosecute, and for the worst of sinners (yes, even armed robbers, rapists, murderers, and the like, as well as their innocent victims) and for all people who habitually lie, defraud, blaspheme, fornicate, commit adultery, sodomy, etc etc etc.
   Mary told us plainly, emphasizing the teachings on intercessory prayer for others of Saint Paul, she told us plainly: WE CAN HELP TO SAVE MILLIONS, MAYBE BILLIONS OF SOULS. But we can’t do it merely by being basically good, going to Church on Sunday, and receiving communion once a week. When we pray, we need to include sinners in our prayers. When we give alms, we need to give them in reparation for OTHER’s sins, not just our own (though that is necessary too.) When we fast or do other penances united to Christ’s sacrifice, we need to offer these things in petition for the conversion and salvation of all sinners, criminals, unbelievers, you name it. We are, frail and sinful though we ourselves are without God’s powerful grace, nonetheless chosen vessels to bring salvation and conversion to OTHERS, either Directly (through approaching them and leading them to Christ and the Church) or by praying for their conversion, having masses said for them for their conversion, offering alms to the poor for their conversion, doing other penances in petition for their conversion, etc., and praying the Divine Mercy for their conversion.
   God didn’t give us the ability to pray, for nothing. Nor to pray only for our OWN needs.
   We are sub-redeemers in service to the ONE REDEEMER Jesus Christ to help extend his redemption to our human brothers and sisters, no matter how evil we may think them to be. We must not **wish them **to rot in jail, prison or hell, no matter what their sins. We must wish them to be saved, and pray and fast and do penances, in union with Christ’s sacrifice, fervently for this purpose. Offer your rosary for them as one of your intentions. And your chaplets of Mercy,also. Every day, offer to the Father God the Most Holy Face of Jesus for the conversion of sinners: be general, AND, at times, be specific. Those things are good starts. **The Fatima message wasn’t just about Russia and communism. It was ALSO greatly about prayer and fasting for the salvation of OTHERS.
   Everyone focuses on Russia and communism, forgetting about the REST of the Fatima message. ** And don’t forget the Holy Souls in Purgatory. Pray St. Gertrude’s prayer for them a few times a day. When you make the sign of the cross, offer the partial indulgence to God for the souls in purgatory. And ask the Holy Souls to pray for the
   as-yet Unsaved. They, who died Saved, are going through disciplinary punishment and, by empathy, they won’t want ANYONE to go through a punishment - hell - which is infinitely worse than the purgatorial discipline they are presently enduring out of God’s love: IT is painful enough, and they now have learned great compassion for other, still living sinners whose souls are in very great danger. Ask them to pray for them, too. They will. And every day, offer a prayer for the deathbed repentance or first-time salvation of ALL who will die Today, Tonight, and Tomorrow.
   Love to all,
   Jaypeeto4
   +JMJ+
   PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY

 

[Jaypeeto4]

There is, believe it or not, one MORE thing you can do to save souls.

Suppose you are worried about the souls of certain individuals who have already died.
DID THEY die in saving grace? Or did they go to hell?

The Old Testament Saints, Moses, Samuel, Joshua, Deborah, Jacob, ALL OF THEM,
received final salvation by God THROUGH THE FORESEEN MERITS of CHRIST’s DEATH ON THE CROSS which He graciously applied to their souls.

Did you know that someone who has died MAY HAVE BEEN GIVEN A DEATHBED “baptism of Desire” and be saved because GOD FORESAW THAT
YOU, YES YOU, NOW, IN THE PRESENT, WOULD OFFER THE BODY, BLOOD, SOUL and DIVINITY OF CHRIST for the Salvation of that particular person???
So, when you think of a person who has died, and wonder if he or she died in the state of Grace, the state of being saved, GO AHEAD AND ASK GOD FOR THAT PERSON’S SALVATION BY OFFERING THE BODY AND BLOOD, SOUL AND DIVINITY OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS for their salvation.
Now, understand clearly, I am NOT saying that God will save them AFTER THEY HAVE ALREADY DIED REJECTING HIM. Not at ALL.
BUT, they may have BEEN SAVED BEFORE DEATH
actually BECAUSE God FORESAW that you would invoke the saving power
of Christ’s sacrifice upon them in the future. Thus, God may have granted it to them before death by virtue of Him FOREKNOWING that you would pray this prayer.
So go ahead and do it. It can’t hurt.
I have read many statements recommending this very thing by reputable theologians,
not cranks or apparitions chasers, but solid good teachers.
God love you,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
PRAY THE ROSARY DAILY

 

[Jerry-Jet]

Jesus said FEW in relation to those going to heaven. Why don’t people believe Jesus?

 

[Jaypeeto4]

Jerry-Jet,
we DO believe him. And yes, he DID say that the road to destruction is BROAD,
MANY are on it, and FEW find the road to salvation.
But he also said MANY OTHER THINGS that counterbalance these statements.
And Mother Mary, who knows him better than ANY OF US DO, knows his attitude
toward the unsaved. It is one of profound sorrow, grief, and great compassion and
BURNING DESIRE TO GET THEM SAVED AT ANY COST.
And I do mean at ANY cost. He PROVED THAT by voluntarily enduring the horrific
passion which began, in earnest, with his horrifying, bloody agony in the Garden of Gethsemane and ended with him brutalized beyond belief on the Cross.
He WANTS to save EVERYONE, despite the false claims of John Calvin and his
supporters. WE CHRISTIANS are assigned, through prayer and good works done through the Holy Ghost in union with His sacrifice, to help achieve the conversion of fellow human beings. FEW do find the road to salvation,especially on their own.
But WITH GOD, ANYTHING is possible. And prayer REALLY DOES change things, Jerryjet. WITH PRAYER, and Fasting, FOR THEIR CONVERSION, many, many more people can be HELPED TO FIND the road that FEW naturally will find on their own.
Count on it, and pray for other’s conversion.
God bless you.

 

[Irish_Polock]

Jerry-Jet,
we DO believe him. And yes, he DID say that the road to destruction is BROAD,
MANY are on it, and FEW find the road to salvation.
But he also said MANY OTHER THINGS that counterbalance these statements.
And Mother Mary, who knows him better than ANY OF US DO, knows his attitude
toward the unsaved. It is one of profound sorrow, grief, and great compassion and
BURNING DESIRE TO GET THEM SAVED AT ANY COST.
And I do mean at ANY cost. He PROVED THAT by voluntarily enduring the horrific
passion which began, in earnest, with his horrifying, bloody agony in the Garden of Gethsemane and ended with him brutalized beyond belief on the Cross.
He WANTS to save EVERYONE, despite the false claims of John Calvin and his
supporters. WE CHRISTIANS are assigned, through prayer and good works done through the Holy Ghost in union with His sacrifice, to help achieve the conversion of fellow human beings. FEW do find the road to salvation,especially on their own.
But WITH GOD, ANYTHING is possible. And prayer REALLY DOES change things, Jerryjet. WITH PRAYER, and Fasting, FOR THEIR CONVERSION, many, many more people can be HELPED TO FIND the road that FEW naturally will find on their own.
Count on it, and pray for other’s conversion.
God bless you.

Christ contradicted himself? Could you elaborate on this theory?

 

[Jaypeeto4]

And yes, before anyone asks, JUDAS ISCARIOT himself WOULD HAVE been forgiven
had he genuinely repented. The evidence appears that he did not follow through with repentance, (he started to, throwing the ill-gotten money back into the temple was a good start), but instead of going off, falling on his knees and pleading for hours on end with God for mercy, he went off and hanged himself. This man was a special case. This man KNEW that Jesus was Divine. He and all the other apostles had been given the power to heal the sick, raise the dead, work tons of other miracles, and even CAST OUT DEMONS by Jesus himself when they were sent out on their mission. And, he lived for THREE YEARS in direct proximity to the God-Man yet willfully, knowingly, deliberately, and continuously STOLE FROM HIM, the God Man, every day, habitually and with no remorse. John tells us in his gospel flat out that when Judas objected that the fragrant oil poured on Jesus’s feet and hair by Mary out of reverence “could have been saved for the POOR”, that Judas was being a bald-faced hypocrite in saying that and that he cared nothing about any of the poor but was a THIEF. He said what he said because he was ticked off that he didn’t have a chance to get at those 300 pieces of silver they could have raised if the oil had been sold. He would have stolen it. His motive, John tells us in his gospel, was anger and greed because he was a jealous, angry habitual THIEF.
Who stole from the Son of God, regularly, willfully, with never a minute’s repentance for stealing from someone whom He KNEW to be so very, very holy indeed. THAT kind
of heart is heartless.
I’m no saint, but I’ll tell you something personal.
When I was a 16 year old, I took up the cigaret smoking habit.
A couple of times, I kept some of my mom’s change from going grocery shopping for her,
to be able to buy a pack of cigarets. It broke my heart and made me feel like a filthy wretch for doing that to such a sweet person, and I never did it again, and I wasn’t even a believer. Stealing from sweet, kind people is especially wrong. And to do it habitually against someone as kind, holy, patient and forgiving and generous as Jesus, was more than dastardly. He did it all the time, too. This was the man who betrayed Jesus, and I think he did it out of spite BECAUSE Jesus, knowing his theiving motives, told him to leave Mary alone, that he would always have poor people around to be able to help them if he wanted to. I think that that really ticked Judas off and that he betrayed him for that reason.