Miles Jesu

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Hello everyone im currently looking for strong Religious orders for the Priesthood. I have been looking at the order Miles Jesu but after a small search on here and the web a few worrying things have came to the forefront. Has anyone came in to contact with any of there odd practices ?

Do you think i should totally overlook this order ?

What would you do if you were considering the Priesthood ?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=361843&highlight=miles+jesu

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=332372&highlight=miles+jesu

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=327442&highlight=miles+jesu
 
Anyone please ?
Maybe if you elaborate on what you find troubling and how you define “odd” practices.

I do not think anyone here has any personal experience with Miles Jesu but all I have seen looks good to me.

I know you linked other threads to this posting but I do not feel like sifting though them to find things especially when I do not know what is causing you worry or what you define as “odd”.
 
Hello ByzCath

Thankyou so much for you non arrogant engouring comments they are of a great help to me .
Do you think i mentioned Miles Jesu in a vocation forum because i wanted to slate them and badmouth them No because what i found in there website made me want to find out more about them.
Forgive me ByzCath for doing a reserch on google and Catholic.com to find out more about Miles Jesu.

I do not think anyone here has any personal experience with Miles Jesu . Why ?

I know you linked other threads to this posting but I do not feel like sifting though them ? :rolleyes:
What OK ?
I know you are a great commentary for Catholic.com you have over 6000 posts and i enjoy your posts but to be honest i coudnt care less you should learn some manners.

Since when i give up my lift to Jesus Christ i want to know beyond a fact that it if for him and him alone and not an order who has ran a way from the Pope and Church teachings. Since you say you obvisuley cant be borthered to sift trough links then i will add them to this thread .

While I was there I quickly became aware of some strange and illicit practices. One was that you were assigned a spirtitural director who you had to confide in and if he felt it was necessary he would share your conversations with the Father General and others. This is clearly against canon law. They also did not coordinate with the archdiocese. They would bring in a bishop from outside to do their ordinations without notifiying the chancelory office. This is against common protocol. There were several other irregularities in how they conducted themselves in the Church. In one incident they needed to pick up some donated food (they don’t purchase food for their members. It’s all donated.) There wasn’t a priest available to go, so they put one of the lay brothers in a roman coller and had him go out to get the food. He was impersonating a priest. I know this because I was the one who went with him.

To warn someone to stay away from such a group is an act of charity especially when the Church authorities such as the Vicariate of Rome are doing nothing about it. All of the proper channels have been exhausted. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia will tell you that in this case, since it is the matter of protect of people who can potentially get deceived into joining MJ, it is not detraction. You would think differently if you lost up to 25 years of your life in this group and cannot even get a job at McDonald’s due to the bad economy.

Miles Jesu the following abuses: manipulation of possible recruits to join Miles Jesu, financial dishonesty, practices against Canon Law such as non-confidential spiritual direction, not providing all members with adequate health care/insurance, Miles Jesu’s teaching that one’s salvation strictly depends on joining Miles Jesu, it’s prohibition of many members to pursue higher education, it’s appointment of a Vicar Directress over the women’s branch with no formal education in theology or Canon Law, sexual abuse, and various other abuses that show Miles Jesu has cultic qualities.

I witnessed Miles Jesu in Chicago first hand lost a friend who I believe was manipulated into becoming an MJ. While I respect his faith decisions, I believe he was lured and brainwashed into becoming a “consecrated lay member” MJ is “frightening.”
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Now have i not a right to challenge Miles Jesu
All these messages are from Catholic.com

Forgive me God and ByzCath i havent reread this message before posting it if i did i would probably delete it . ByzCath your message put a terrible taste in my mouth of aggorance and superiority I am sure this is just a Tucson, Az - Glasgow Scotland misunderstanding

In Christ
Christopher
Ave Maria
 
Whoa! Slow down, celtic1967! I think you totally misread what ByzCath said! He wasn’t saying that to be arrogant or to upset you. I think what he meant was that he didn’t want to post things on here that may or may not be true. He didn’t know what you meant when you said ‘odd.’ You didn’t elaborate so he didn’t want to speculate.
 
(Celtic, in future posts I would advise that you proofread, to ensure that your messages are comprehensible. I had great difficulty reading it the first several times through.)
Thank you so much for your non-arrogant engouring ?] comments. They are of great help to me.
Do you think that I mentioned Miles Jesu in a vocation forum because I wanted to slate [slam?] them and badmouth them? No, it was because what I found on their website made me want to find out more about them.
Forgive me, ByzCath, for doing research on google and Catholic.com to find out more about Miles Jesu.
(preceding and subsequent quotations form Celtic corrected for comprehensibility, where possible.)

Celtic, don’t assume that ByzCath is a liar when he says, “all I have seen looks good to me”.

(I would advise, in the future, that if you are angered by someone’s post, that you wait a good deal of time before responding.)
:rolleyes: What?
I know you are a great commentary for Catholic.com; ?] you have over 6000 posts and I enjoy your posts, but to be honest, I coudn’t care less - you should learn some manners.
ByzCath was actually being very polite.
Since I gave up my life to Jesus Christ, I want to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Miles Jesu is for Him and Him alone and is not an order that has ran away from the Pope and Church teachings. Since you say that you obviously can’t be bothered to sift through links, I will add them to this thread.
ByzCath, like most people, has a life outside of CAF. He - as a religious brother, especially - doesn’t necessarily have time to read through a few threads looking for problems with Miles Jesu, particularly when you could not originally be bothered to quote from the threads.
Now have I not a right to challenge Miles Jesu?
All these messages are from Catholic.com
I would say that you have reason to be concerned, and I expect that ByzCath, after he reads those excerpts, will agree with me on this.
ByzCath, your message put a terrible taste in my mouth -one of arrogance and superiority. I am sure this is just a Tucson, Az - Glasgow Scotland misunderstanding.
Hopefully now it has been fixed.
 
Celtic 1967,

I will not address the other issues of your post as I believe they have been address by Hidden One as well as by the private message you sent me.
Miles Jesu the following abuses: manipulation of possible recruits to join Miles Jesu, financial dishonesty, practices against Canon Law such as non-confidential spiritual direction, not providing all members with adequate health care/insurance, Miles Jesu’s teaching that one’s salvation strictly depends on joining Miles Jesu, it’s prohibition of many members to pursue higher education, it’s appointment of a Vicar Directress over the women’s branch with no formal education in theology or Canon Law, sexual abuse, and various other abuses that show Miles Jesu has cultic qualities.
Now these are concerns and appropriate ones. It would have been good to start with this.

I would say that we must look into these things and see where they are coming from. If there is actual documentation from MJ listing these sort of things then there is an issue. But we must remember that not everything you list is wrong.

When one joins a religious order and takes the vow of obedience, they are to be just that, obedient. The fact that the order may later decide that an individual is not called to higher education is the right of the order. If an individual does not like that they are free to leave. There is no requirements for a leader to have any formal education unless it is spelt out in the constitutions of the order. The only caveat is that a superior of an order that has priests must be a priest. This is partly due to the fact that the superior is the ordinary for the order and calls men to ordination. A man can not call another man to an order he does not hold.
I witnessed Miles Jesu in Chicago first hand lost a friend who I believe was manipulated into becoming an MJ. While I respect his faith decisions, I believe he was lured and brainwashed into becoming a “consecrated lay member” MJ is “frightening.”
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What you say here is your personal opinion and we can not really comment on that.

As I have said, all that I have seen regarding MJ looks fine to me.
Now have i not a right to challenge Miles Jesu
You have every right to challenge them but I would caution you on doing so without concert information. Hear say and personal feelings are not enough to publicly libel a person or a group.
 
Hello

Thankyou ByzCath for your forgivness i was totally in the wrong.

I witnessed Miles Jesu in Chicago first hand lost a friend who I believe was manipulated into becoming an MJ. While I respect his faith decisions, I believe he was lured and brainwashed into becoming a “consecrated lay member” MJ is “frightening.”
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This was not actually my comment ByzCath this is a qoute from these forums.

I think i will actually visit them and find out for myself . I am very sorry to anyone if i have came a cross as rude or arrogant.

Peace be with you
Chris
 
No worries about me, Celtic, I know that your intentions are and were not evil ones, and I too have drastically misread many, many things and I have not so graciously admitted it, in many of those occasions.

I also must apologize if I was or came across as being harsh with you in my own post above.
 
No problem Hidden One forgivness is one of the great gifts from God.
Rereading the post I can now see that i instigated the argument in my misinterpretation of ByzCaths post. Sometimes i can get carried away with things without thinking them trough this is something i will have to try and work on.

Gods peace
Chris
 
Hello

Thankyou ByzCath for your forgivness i was totally in the wrong.

I witnessed Miles Jesu in Chicago first hand lost a friend who I believe was manipulated into becoming an MJ. While I respect his faith decisions, I believe he was lured and brainwashed into becoming a “consecrated lay member” MJ is “frightening.”
.
This was not actually my comment ByzCath this is a qoute from these forums.

I think i will actually visit them and find out for myself . I am very sorry to anyone if i have came a cross as rude or arrogant.

Peace be with you
Chris
That was my own quote about MJ I made a long time ago. This group is currently being investigated by the Vatican for alleged abuses towards its members.

They mean well, but I wouldn’t seek them out further.
 
That was my own quote about MJ I made a long time ago. This group is currently being investigated by the Vatican for alleged abuses towards its members.

They mean well, but I wouldn’t seek them out further.
Is there a document stating that they are under investigation? Or is this just something you have heard?
 
Thanks, I was not aware of all this.

By the way, wikipedia is not a true source as it is user maintained. I would never use that as a source when asked for one around here.

Most, if not all, Universities and Colleges will not accept it as a source when writing papers for that very reason.
 
Thanks, I was not aware of all this.

By the way, wikipedia is not a true source as it is user maintained. I would never use that as a source when asked for one around here.

Most, if not all, Universities and Colleges will not accept it as a source when writing papers for that very reason.
Thanks for the advice, professor. I’m just giving a quick answer to your question as found on Google. Secondly, I don’t post much and thus was not aware there were rules on this site in copying and pasting links from Google.If it has offended you or you feel it is below your intelligence - my apologies. I was busy and didn’t have time to go to my local library and talk to the reference librarian…
 
Thanks for the advice, professor. I’m just giving a quick answer to your question as found on Google. Secondly, I don’t post much and thus was not aware there were rules on this site in copying and pasting links from Google.If it has offended you or you feel it is below your intelligence - my apologies. I was busy and didn’t have time to go to my local library and talk to the reference librarian…
No problem and really thanks for the information.

I was just trying to be nice in informing you about wikipeadia. I am sorry that you took it personally.
 
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