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Here is the article by Millet. He seems to make sense and draws on the bible and lds scripture for support:
ldslivingmagazine.com/articles/show/1098
I see nothing wrong in his approach. We all need milk before meat:
On the other hand, while we must see to it that our growth in understanding is steady and sustained, we must be stretching, expanding our views, and opening our minds to new truths and new applications. That is, we need to partake of milk before meat, but eventually we need meat. “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,” Paul wrote, “ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age”—or in other words are mature—”even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil” (Hebrews 5:12-14).
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I think I would be correct in suggesting that the institutional Church is not responsible to teach very much meat; the Church teaches largely the milk of the gospel. Thus, it’s foolish for members of the Church to become either disenchanted or discouraged because they aren’t hearing deep doctrine preached in sacrament meeting or receiving new historical or doctrinal truth in Sunday School each week. The Church is, in many ways, like a university, a place where a person should learn to learn. We need not find fault with the Church if things are too simply presented or if matters seem repetitious. The gaining of meat becomes an individual responsibility, a personal quest. “God’s earthly kingdom is a school in which his saints learn the doctrines of salvation. Some members of the Church are being taught elementary courses; others are approaching graduation and can do independent research where the deep and hidden things are concerned. All must learn line upon line and precept upon precept.” 8
Paul has made the same claim…see below in first corinthians 3:2
ldslivingmagazine.com/articles/show/1098
I see nothing wrong in his approach. We all need milk before meat:
On the other hand, while we must see to it that our growth in understanding is steady and sustained, we must be stretching, expanding our views, and opening our minds to new truths and new applications. That is, we need to partake of milk before meat, but eventually we need meat. “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,” Paul wrote, “ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age”—or in other words are mature—”even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil” (Hebrews 5:12-14).
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I think I would be correct in suggesting that the institutional Church is not responsible to teach very much meat; the Church teaches largely the milk of the gospel. Thus, it’s foolish for members of the Church to become either disenchanted or discouraged because they aren’t hearing deep doctrine preached in sacrament meeting or receiving new historical or doctrinal truth in Sunday School each week. The Church is, in many ways, like a university, a place where a person should learn to learn. We need not find fault with the Church if things are too simply presented or if matters seem repetitious. The gaining of meat becomes an individual responsibility, a personal quest. “God’s earthly kingdom is a school in which his saints learn the doctrines of salvation. Some members of the Church are being taught elementary courses; others are approaching graduation and can do independent research where the deep and hidden things are concerned. All must learn line upon line and precept upon precept.” 8
Paul has made the same claim…see below in first corinthians 3:2
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And here is the verse in the bible that it is taken from. The mormons are only following the new testament.
New International Version (©1984)
I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.
New Living Translation (©2007)
I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger. And you still aren’t ready,
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
International Standard Version (©2008)
I gave you milk to drink, not solid food, because you weren’t ready for it. And you’re still not ready!
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I gave you milk to drink. I didn’t give you solid food because you weren’t ready for it. Even now you aren’t ready for it
King James Bible
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
American King James Version
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for till now you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able.
American Standard Version
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it : nay, not even now are ye able;
Bible in Basic English
I gave you milk and not meat, because you were, then, unable to take it, and even now you are not able;
Douay-Rheims Bible
I gave you milk to drink, not meat; for you were not able as yet. But neither indeed are you now able; for you are yet carnal.
Darby Bible Translation
I have given you milk to drink, not meat, for ye have not yet been able, nor indeed are ye yet able;
English Revised Version
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it: nay, not even now are ye able;
Webster’s Bible Translation
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Weymouth New Testament
I fed you with milk and not with solid food, since for this you were not yet strong enough. And even now you are not strong enough:
World English Bible
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for you weren’t yet ready. Indeed, not even now are you ready,
Young’s Literal Translation
with milk I fed you, and not with meat, for ye were not yet able, but not even yet are ye now able,
bible.cc/1_corinthians/3-2.htm
First Corinthians 3: 2
New International Version (©1984)
I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.
New Living Translation (©2007)
I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger. And you still aren’t ready,
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,
International Standard Version (©2008)
I gave you milk to drink, not solid food, because you weren’t ready for it. And you’re still not ready!
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I gave you milk to drink. I didn’t give you solid food because you weren’t ready for it. Even now you aren’t ready for it
King James Bible
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
American King James Version
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for till now you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able.
American Standard Version
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it : nay, not even now are ye able;
Bible in Basic English
I gave you milk and not meat, because you were, then, unable to take it, and even now you are not able;
Douay-Rheims Bible
I gave you milk to drink, not meat; for you were not able as yet. But neither indeed are you now able; for you are yet carnal.
Darby Bible Translation
I have given you milk to drink, not meat, for ye have not yet been able, nor indeed are ye yet able;
English Revised Version
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it: nay, not even now are ye able;
Webster’s Bible Translation
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Weymouth New Testament
I fed you with milk and not with solid food, since for this you were not yet strong enough. And even now you are not strong enough:
World English Bible
I fed you with milk, not with meat; for you weren’t yet ready. Indeed, not even now are you ready,
Young’s Literal Translation
with milk I fed you, and not with meat, for ye were not yet able, but not even yet are ye now able,
bible.cc/1_corinthians/3-2.htm
First Corinthians 3: 2
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Milk before meat: the reference is to giving a young child milk. Keeping to analogy, the meat is not hidden from the child. It is there, on the table. The child can see adults and older children cooking meat, eating meat, and in the case of the time/place of this analogy, raising the animals and slaughtering them. There is nothing secret about the meat. Meat is not hidden from the child.
This scripture passage is not an instruction to keep secrets from people in order to more easily convert them.
This scripture passage is not an instruction to keep secrets from people in order to more easily convert them.
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Well said.
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Really? All that is in what Paul said? I don’t see that at all. Paul says that when the time is right, people will get meat. But now, they are receiving milk because they are not ready for solid food. He then goes on to say that the people are still carnal and behave like mere men.
You certainly read a lot into what Paul said.
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Really, honestly, St. Paul does not say, keep secrets from people in order that they won’t be creeped out and tell you to get the hell out of their house.
Only mormons interpret this scripture as St. Paul teaching that it is ok to lie. Of course, this is so dishonesty can be rationalized.
Only mormons interpret this scripture as St. Paul teaching that it is ok to lie. Of course, this is so dishonesty can be rationalized.
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I went to an Inter-Faith Meeting where Bob Millet was invited to speak on a panel with a Christian Pastor (It was several years ago, and I forgot his name.). There were hundreds in attendance and all of us from various religions. Bob and the Pastor both agreed to start with the ‘milk’ in order to prepare everyone for the ‘meat’. It worked very well and as I walked through the crowd at the end everyone was vocally impressed with the event. No one, from any of the religions had an issue with the ‘milk before meat’ discussion. In fact, it opened everyone’s eyes to a great learning experience.
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An agreed upon approach to an interfaith discussion is far different than hiding belief from a person who is being proselytized, and, has no idea what those beliefs are. ie, doesn’t know the meat exists.
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I don’t see mormons teaching that it is okay to lie. I must have missed that lesson in the manual.
All things are given in due time. Much is known about what mormonism teaches among the members. I remember hearing it all in class, including the word Kolob. But the simple things are more important first.The gospel is a series of building blocks. Some might claim it to be a puzzle, being pieced together slowly but surely. And this is what Paul is referring too.
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I don’t see mormons teaching that it is okay to lie. I must have missed that lesson in the manual.
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What is secret or hidden. In the lds gospel manual which is now being studied by them, the first chapter mentions that god as a tangible body of flesh and bone. In the second chapter it mentions that we were spiritually born to heavenly parents which introduces the idea of a heavenly mother.
What is hidden?
What is hidden?
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Here is a quotation from the mormonwiki provided by answers:
“Milk before meat”, and then some dessert
Mormon Molly Bennion writes:
“Many have argued, often under the guise of ‘milk before meat,’ that we must not disillusion the new or weak with all-too-human history or the questioning of the Lord’s anointed–questioning being by definition under this theory, criticism, even heresy. Better the lie.”[9]
Mormon missionaries won’t tell you they think God–a man who became a god–physically lives on a planet near a star-base named Kolob. Why? Because it is “meat”.Mormons often appeal to the concept of “milk before meat” to justify not disclosing potentially shocking and embarrassing doctrines. [3]
“I would be careful bringing [up] this matter with any nonmembers… [H]ow to address this [Lorenzo Snow Couplet theology] with nonmembers?]. My advice: don’t. This is difficult doctrine. Remember, milk before meat.” [4]
When I searched the referencing this is what I found for number 3 and four:
Subject: List of Silly Mormon Beliefs - List of meats
Date: Jan 29 23:14 2003
Author: InfidelCowboy
The misshies [missionaries] kind of upset me with their “milk before the meat” concept. I would like to compile a list of meat to help out people see what the Morg is all about before they get dunked or too far invested (time/money/relationships) to open their eyes.
So please help me out. Remind me of the stuff that TBM’s only talk to each other about, because the rest of the world would just shake their head in amusement or disgust!
Thanks
Subject: Re: List of Silly Mormon Beliefs - List of meats
Date: Jan 30 00:08
Author: InfidelCowboy
Likewise for number four in the referencing system. I got a discussion board.
As I have said. I always knew about kolob because it was discussed in class. Nothing was secret. Now god does live somewhere. At least the mormons have an idea and they discuss it. For catholics or protestants how to answer where god lives? What is the meat?
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Here is a quotation from the mormonwiki provided by answers:
“Milk before meat”, and then some dessert
Mormon Molly Bennion writes:
“Many have argued, often under the guise of ‘milk before meat,’ that we must not disillusion the new or weak with all-too-human history or the questioning of the Lord’s anointed–questioning being by definition under this theory, criticism, even heresy. Better the lie.”[9]
Mormon missionaries won’t tell you they think God–a man who became a god–physically lives on a planet near a star-base named Kolob. Why? Because it is “meat”.Mormons often appeal to the concept of “milk before meat” to justify not disclosing potentially shocking and embarrassing doctrines. [3]
“I would be careful bringing [up] this matter with any nonmembers… [H]ow to address this [Lorenzo Snow Couplet theology] with nonmembers?]. My advice: don’t. This is difficult doctrine. Remember, milk before meat.” [4]
When I searched the referencing this is what I found for number 3 and four:
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Likewise for number four in the referencing system. I got a discussion board.
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I would have to know the context of the statement and who recorded it. First, it is not suprising that in public JS would deny polygamy. I would have done so too since the hatred for mormons was very real. Polygamy would have created an intolerable position for the early mormons if the cat was let out of the bag. And so, I can see denying polygamy in public. No problem.
Also, it is very difficult to respond to your posts because when I press the quote button I only get your name. Can you be just a little more flexible in how you respond to people with your quotation system?
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I would have to know the context of the statement and who recorded it. First, it is not suprising that in public JS would deny polygamy. I would have done so too since the hatred for mormons was very real. Polygamy would have created an intolerable position for the early mormons if the cat was let out of the bag. And so, I can see denying polygamy in public. No problem.
Also, it is very difficult to respond to your posts because when I press the quote button I only get your name. Can you be just a little more flexible in how you respond to people with your quotation system?
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