Milk: Perfect Food or Toxic Soup? Part 1

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Someone with a degree in dairy science should know that what CPA2 says is NOT correct with regard to antibiotics in milk or that rBGH causes infections. So, I am suspicious of your credentials.

A person with a degree in dairy science would know that infection is a result of the farmer’s heard health practices and cleanliness practices and that no antibiotics enter the milk supply in the US.
I have to disagree with you on one thing, and that’s that mastitis can just happen regardless of health practices and cleanliness. It’s my nightmare that one of my girls has mastitis. I worry over them all the time. It usually can be attributed to too much milk overloading the udder, and a milk duct getting infected - like when new human mothers sometimes get mastitis. But it can also be from picking up little bugs in the field. They have vaccines now for two different kinds of gangrenous mastitis, but no one is really sure of its effectiveness.

IIRC, two of the dairies I visited talked about their milk being checked all the time for antibiotics and if there’s any antibiotic it gets rejected. So if one of their girls gets sick and needs antibiotics, they move her to another paddock. Not sure if they check all dairies though. They do an antibiotic with no milk withdrawl time, it’s brand name is Actonel, and it’s kind of expensive. I don’t know if it shows up in milk that’s tested though. All other antibiotics that I know of have specific milk withdrawl times on the label.

I know they never check for Tuberculosis, because everything will be pastuerized. So when I look for a cow, I have to do TB testing separate.

As for growth hormone, many dairies use it, but of course not all do. I would suspect, ( and this is just an opinion of mine so take it with a grain of salt), that using growth hormone on a cow over an extended period of time has the same health ramifications as a woman taking hormones. A lot of folks are concerned about the hormones in the food and water chain, this would be a contributing factor for those concerns…just saying 🙂
 
Just had my 2nd glass of milk, while reading this “again” . I even gave my cat some milk and then I made coffee for my wife and I, We both used milk. We still feel great. I think when I get up in a few hours I’ll have a nice big bowl of cereal with… You got it MILK.
Look friend, if you don’t want to drink milk, fine God bless ya; but leave us along who do and let us enjoy this. We don’t need the food police bothering us about this now. To many people stand around shaking their fingers at others in reguards to what they do, eat or believe. Lets just learn to live together, raise our glasses of milk, soy, water or whatever makes you happy in a toast to “just being”.
 
I have a degree in Animal Science with a Specialty in Dairy, and everything CPA2 says is correct. The National Dairy Council has the USDA in its back pocket, so you’ll not hear the truth from them, nor will they take any action against infractions. Everything gets swept under the rug for the almighty $$$.

Doesn’t it strike anyone else as absurd for a weaned mammal to drink the breast milk of another species?

But for those that do, God bless the small organic farmer who does right by his/her animals and customers. These are the people who need our support at farmers markets and agriculture co-ops.

Miz
The USDA is a watchdog that does not bark!
 
If he proposed Diet Coke is safer than milk I’d be rolling on the floor laughing my fanny off. The nutra sweet in some diet pops gives my dad such severe headaches he didn’t allow my younger siblings to have anything with it in it. I there are a few studies out there linking nutra sweet to brain tumors.
Man should not play with his food! All of the sugar substitutes are worse than plain white sugar. High fructose corn syup and nutra sweet, etc. are really bad. Sugar hurts the immune system. I stick with natural sweetners like honey from a local beekeeper and pure maple syrup.
 
Just had my 2nd glass of milk, while reading this “again” . I even gave my cat some milk and then I made coffee for my wife and I, We both used milk. We still feel great. I think when I get up in a few hours I’ll have a nice big bowl of cereal with… You got it MILK.
Look friend, if you don’t want to drink milk, fine God bless ya; but leave us along who do and let us enjoy this. We don’t need the food police bothering us about this now. To many people stand around shaking their fingers at others in reguards to what they do, eat or believe. Lets just learn to live together, raise our glasses of milk, soy, water or whatever makes you happy in a toast to “just being”.
Man digs his grave with his teeth. Why are so many of God’s people sick? Only you control what you put into your mouth.

I prefer to read the research and listen to sick people who have gotten well by changing their diet.
 
I have my own milk cow, and my own milk goats. Suffice it to say, I know what goes in them and I know what I drink is good food, tastes better too 🙂

My Jersey is due to calf on june 15, and I can’t wait till she has her calf.

Sadly, it’s illegal to sell farm fresh milk where I live. I know I could manage a cow share, but sometimes it’s more trouble for the farmer than it’s worth, but I might go that route while I have the time to do it. I do feel bad that people who don’t have their own cows or goats have to buy the stuff in the store. People beg me to sell them milk all the time. I’m afraid of getting in trouble and having my cow taken away though. I honestly don’t know how you guys drink that stuff from the store. I guess you’re used to it 🤷

My advise is that if you really think that stuff in the store is bad, and you’re up for trying something that tastes better and is better for you, look for a cow share program. Those are legal in most areas and it gives people without the means to have a cow for whatever reason, the ability to buy shares of a cow. You buy a share of a cow, and a monthly fee pays for someone else to board and manage the cow and do all the work associated with taking care of the cow, and you get your share of milk associated with each share you buy.
I agree! I buy as much food as I can locally. The food on our plate travels 1,500 miles to get to us. Many of these countries have no business ethics.

I want to decrease the demand for food products from Communist China and other communist countries. Therefore, I want to influence your expectations about the food from these countries. Communists have no business ethics!

Communist China has been shipping contaminated honey into the United States and Canada for a long time. By some miracle Canada found out about it. The USDA is a guard dog that did not bark! Buy all of your honey locally. Find a local beekeeper that does not treat for varrola mites.

Communist Vietnam sends us catfish that are raised in cages. Most of these caged catfish have a disease. When you buy the catfish filets in the supermarket, you do not know the country of origin, and you cannot spot the diseased catfish. I get my catfish from Mississippi.
 
Well CPA,I’ve been drinking milk for many, many, many years and I’m not sick at all. Be well and just relax a bit and enjoy life.
 
Milk:

Contrary to popular belief, milk is not the perfect food. It causes more diseases than it prevents.

Bull-oney. This is an unsupported emotional claim.

RBRH is one of the toxic chemicals in milk. It is technically known as bovine somatotropin. Cows require greater quantities of antibiotics to combat the inflammation caused by rBRH. The antibiotics then contaminate the milk. The widespread use of rBRH increases the risk of breast, prostate, colon and lung cancer.

See below.

“It is highly likely…” (Harris). “IGF-1 maintains the malignancy of human breast cancer cells, including their invasiveness and ability to spread to distant organs” (Lippman).

Well, now. “It is highly likely” does not equal “It happens”. See below also.

Given the cancer and other health risks, why is rBRH milk still in the marketplace?
Because such risks are hypothetical, not proven. :rolleyes:
Part 2

Animal protein causes acute bone deterioration.

Again, facts not in evidence. This is an unsupported blanket statement.

One researcher said that eating a high protein diet is like pouring acid rain on your bones.

Yeah, that’s why bodybuilders suffer from osteoporosis all the time. :rolleyes: …and they’re stuffing themselves with all sorts of GH. Bad idea to do extreme bodybuilding thing, but it would seem to contradict what the “one researcher” has to say about it.
Nevertheless, rBGH does **not **increase infection in cows who are given it. The science does not support this assertion. The determining factor of udder infection is cleanliness and health practices of the farmer, not use of rBGH.

Actually, cows who produce more have a variably increased rate of mastitis compared to cows that are not “pushed” to produce. But you are correct in that GH is not a direct causitive factor in the development of mastitis, and that sanitation and milking practices have the greatest effect on whether or now a cow will develop mastitis.

Antibiotics are **not **in the milk supply. This is persistent myth, completely untrue. Milk is tested before it leaves the farm, and it is tested before it enters the plant. If there are any antibiotics in the milk, the entire truckload is dumped and does not enter the milk supply. These are US standards. I cannot speak to Canada or anything imported from another country.

You clearly have an agenda. But you are not being honest.
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**“I have a degree in Animal Science with a Specialty in Dairy, and everything CPA2 says is correct.”

Miz**

Someone with a degree in dairy science should know that what CPA2 says is NOT correct with regard to antibiotics in milk or that rBGH causes infections. So, I am suspicious of your credentials.

Agreed. I was going to say that if that is the case, then Miz should get his money back from the college.

BTW, I have a degree in veterinary medicine.

A person with a degree in dairy science would know that infection is a result of the farmer’s heard health practices and cleanliness practices and that no antibiotics enter the milk supply in the US.
Well, not intentionally anyway. There are slipups at times, which are rare.
Sugar hurts the immune system.
:rolleyes: …and the sky is falling, says Henny Penny.
 
In any case, the whole point of this exercise is for the OP to prove that we shouldn’t be drinking milK?
 
My question to the OP would be, if we’re not supposed to drink milk, what ought we to be drinking instead?

Beer? Wine? Water?
Coffee? Tea? Kool-aid?
Diet Coke? Lemonade?
The OP should propose a beverage of choice, and then we can go through
and look at the health risks of whatever the particular drink is.

:coffeeread: :compcoff: :coffee:
Diet Coke. The only milk I “drink” is in Ice Cream.
 
Man should not play with his food! All of the sugar substitutes are worse than plain white sugar. High fructose corn syup and nutra sweet, etc. are really bad. Sugar hurts the immune system. I stick with natural sweetners like honey from a local beekeeper and pure maple syrup.
Cane and beet sugar are natural. They have been around 100’s of years. Now hawabout a response on my history lesson!
 
In any case, the whole point of this exercise is for the OP to prove that we shouldn’t be drinking milK?
I think thats the guise of it. The real point is to rally against the way western civilization eats and drinks. People like him don’t like the idea of a diet that is taste and convenience oriented.I don’t mind once in a while taking sometime preparing a SPECIAL mean, but for the daily routine popping something in the microwave and being ready to eat in several minutes is fine with me, so I can out my energy into more meaningful things or just things Id rather be doing. Most of health is family genetics anyway!
 
I think in general it’s more, well, dangerous to drink milk today then it was when most of us were younger, mostly due to all the advances in chemistry and biology creating lots more additives and the like to get added to milk, especially in America where corporate responsibility gets punched in the gut by the almighty dollar on a daily basis
 
I have my own milk cow, and my own milk goats. Suffice it to say, I know what goes in them and I know what I drink is good food, tastes better too 🙂

My Jersey is due to calf on june 15, and I can’t wait till she has her calf.

Sadly, it’s illegal to sell farm fresh milk where I live. I know I could manage a cow share, but sometimes it’s more trouble for the farmer than it’s worth, but I might go that route while I have the time to do it. I do feel bad that people who don’t have their own cows or goats have to buy the stuff in the store. People beg me to sell them milk all the time. I’m afraid of getting in trouble and having my cow taken away though. I honestly don’t know how you guys drink that stuff from the store. I guess you’re used to it 🤷

My advise is that if you really think that stuff in the store is bad, and you’re up for trying something that tastes better and is better for you, look for a cow share program. Those are legal in most areas and it gives people without the means to have a cow for whatever reason, the ability to buy shares of a cow. You buy a share of a cow, and a monthly fee pays for someone else to board and manage the cow and do all the work associated with taking care of the cow, and you get your share of milk associated with each share you buy.
In general, I agree with what you’re saying. It should be noted, however, that unpasteurized milk can also be hazardous. Not long ago, a business associate of mine fed raw goat’s milk (obtained at a health food store, which got it from a local farmer) to her very young child. Child came down with a savage case of salmonella which was traced to the goat’s milk.

Now, why didn’t the farmer and his kids get a salmonella infection? Possibly they have obtained immunity through exposure. Hard to know. It’s all a delicate balance. I do know they did a study in Germany about E Coli and found that people who were raised on cattle farms there had immunity to it. Childhood exposure to bovine E Coli confers immunity in adulthood, it appears, and is far less serious in its effects. So, of course, I make sure my children and grandchildren play in the cattle pens and corrals as regularly as I can. Probably they can now get a meal at Jack In The Box without undue fear. 🙂

There are a lot of cattle vector diseases, just as there are a lot of other animal vector diseases, and it’s good to acquire early immunity from them if we can. The more urbanized we become, the less of that immunity we have a chance to develop.

It could simply be that the business associate’s child was particularly sensitive to salmonella. Maybe not. But I think, in going for unprocessed products, one should be very careful about the degree of exposure until one is reasonably sure one has likely acquired immunity to the potential diseases. Otherwise, I think one ought to stay with the pasteurized products.
 
In general, I agree with what you’re saying. It should be noted, however, that unpasteurized milk can also be hazardous. Not long ago, a business associate of mine fed raw goat’s milk (obtained at a health food store, which got it from a local farmer) to her very young child. Child came down with a savage case of salmonella which was traced to the goat’s milk.
Unfortunately, I have been well trained by the nursing school, so I haven’t quite gotten past NOT pasteurizing my milk, but it’s still an entirely different animal than what is available in the store. But I have to admit, I do drink raw milk myself, fresh outta the cow and it’s quite a treat. And my family has had it raw too, but almost everything that comes in the house is pasteurized. My treat will be kept separate 🙂
Now, why didn’t the farmer and his kids get a salmonella infection? Possibly they have obtained immunity through exposure. Hard to know. It’s all a delicate balance. I do know they did a study in Germany about E Coli and found that people who were raised on cattle farms there had immunity to it. Childhood exposure to bovine E Coli confers immunity in adulthood, it appears, and is far less serious in its effects. So, of course, I make sure my children and grandchildren play in the cattle pens and corrals as regularly as I can. Probably they can now get a meal at Jack In The Box without undue fear.
My first question is: how did they determine it was the goat milk? Usually they “rule out” other sources and then assume it’s the raw milk. In order to determine it was the goats, they would have had to test the goat’s milk fresh out of the goat. Which hardly ever happens.

I can tell you that a goat with Salmonella mastitis is a very sick goat and is at very high risk for gangrenous mastititis. The same for E.coli. A cow is a lot more better off but it’s a challenge to treat, but a goat can die within 24 hours of getting gangrenous mastitis.

It is more likely that the jars that the people were supposed to present clean to the farmer probably were not so 🙂 In a cow or goat share program, one is responsible for bringing a set of CLEAN jars and CLEAN lids. A friend used to come to the house with rinsed out jars and ask me for milk, it used to annoy me to no end because I knew he was putting himself at risk. But I’d stick his jars and lids in my dishwasher and give him my own clean jar and lid.

Though in all fairness, it’s quite possible that the farmer was not “clean” enough and allowed the milk to be contaminated by something in the field on its way from the goat to the table. When it’s your own cow or goat, and it’s going to your own table, you’re clean, believe me 🙂 One of the reasons why I bother to pasterize is that I hand milk my cow and goats. And while I do some good scrubbing of her udder and teats, and keep things clean, I"m not quite convinced yet that something from the field couldn’t have landed in the milk. If I were machine milking, I probably most likely wouldn’t bother pasteurizing. My cow and goats are tested for everything and I know they’re healthy.

But that’s how it is when you have your OWN. When you buy off the farm, you have to trust the owner to do this for you.
There are a lot of cattle vector diseases, just as there are a lot of other animal vector diseases, and it’s good to acquire early immunity from them if we can. The more urbanized we become, the less of that immunity we have a chance to develop.
Add that to all the antibacterial everything we use on our hands and body, and together it’s a nice receipe for illness because we can’t fight anything off.
It could simply be that the business associate’s child was particularly sensitive to salmonella. Maybe not. But I think, in going for unprocessed products, one should be very careful about the degree of exposure until one is reasonably sure one has likely acquired immunity to the potential diseases. Otherwise, I think one ought to stay with the pasteurized products.
I’d say not 🙂 I’d say it wasn’t the goat either. Unless proven otherwise, I’d be willing to bet it was either contaminated milk or unclean jars. And, like I said, I pasteruize my milk. But when you go to the farm to get milk, you should check out their facilities and ask them about their procedures. And you know, you can pasteurize it yourself. I’m not about to advocate drinking raw milk, because it really is a personal choice. I’ve heard lots of good and I’ve heard some bad, usually not linked to the milk directly 😉

I just have a hard time believing the stuff that has been cooked to death and has traveled across the country is better for you than something fresh off the farm, pasteurized or not 🙂 But I’m all about choices. If you think store bought tastes good and you like it, go for it. As long as I can have my cow and drink her too, I don’t care 😛

As someone who was born and raised in a big city until I was in my 30s, I would have laughed you out of your shoes if you would have said something like, “in three years you’ll be milking a cow”. But here I am, and I love her to bits. I would have never thought that 😛
 
I have to disagree with you on one thing, and that’s that mastitis can just happen regardless of health practices and cleanliness.
Mastitis is a bacterial infection. The most common being e. coli, strep and staph. These are from dirty milking equipment, dirty barn, lieing in feces, etc.

Sometimes mastitis can be caused when there is trauma to the udder.

I agree that it can happen even in environments where the farmer is conscientious, but it doesn’t “just happen.” And, rBGH does not cause mastitis.
It’s my nightmare that one of my girls has mastitis. I worry over them all the time. It usually can be attributed to too much milk overloading the udder, and a milk duct getting infected - like when new human mothers sometimes get mastitis.
When a cow’s udder is full, she stops producing milk. We are a dairy operation-- family farm-- so not inexperienced in this. DH is a 5th generation dairy farmer.
Not sure if they check all dairies though
I can assure you they do. It’s a USDA requirement. Every tank of milk is sampled here at the farm, and every tanker is tested when it arrives at the milk plant. Any antibiotics in the tanker and the whole thing is rejected. It never enters the plant.
As for growth hormone, many dairies use it, but of course not all do. I would suspect, ( and this is just an opinion of mine so take it with a grain of salt), that using growth hormone on a cow over an extended period of time has the same health ramifications as a woman taking hormones. A lot of folks are concerned about the hormones in the food and water chain, this would be a contributing factor for those concerns…just saying 🙂
I’m not a Posilac fan, we don’t use rBGH.

But, there is no proof of carcenogic properties, no proof of residue in the milk, and no proof of any of the OP’s allegations.
 
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