Millions of Sperm Die with just one survivor

[40_number]

I’m only 16 but for years have been stuck on this subject. When a man and a women have sex million of sperm enter the body but only one (not counting twins, triplets, etc) will eventually become a fully grown baby.
Now what i’m asking is what is the Church’s view on those millions of sperm dying. Is that killing or what? I have thopught that God only prefers sperm to die in the body not in a condom or outside the body.
Any help will mean a lot. Thanks for answering

 

[thistle]

I’m only 16 but for years have been stuck on this subject. When a man and a women have sex million of sperm enter the body but only one (not counting twins, triplets, etc) will eventually become a fully grown baby.
Now what i’m asking is what is the Church’s view on those millions of sperm dying. Is that killing or what? I have thopught that God only prefers sperm to die in the body not in a condom or outside the body.
Any help will mean a lot. Thanks for answering

The millions of sperm that die are NOT a human life. Human life begins at conception, not before.

 

[DaveBj]

It’s the same with all sexual reproduction, whether we’re talking about humans or salamanders. Millions of sperm released, and only one (or a relative few) make it.

I can’t verify this, but I’ve been told that the reason God designed it this way is that because sperm are male, only one (or a relative few) will actually stop and ask for directions.

(Running and hiding now)

DaveBj

 

[teachccd]

You must remember that sperm are not little people but that when the sperm and the egg unite a person is conceived. When a married couple engage in the marital embrace they must always be open to the possibility of life. So the sperm, however many there are, must always be utilized for the possibility of conception. So, you are right, that a condom would not allow for this as neither would any form of birth control.

Why are there millions of sperm? Because that’s how many it takes to reach the egg. We cannot question nature but we must abide by God’s commands. So, if in one act, one sperm out of millions fertilizes the egg then life begins. The rest of the sperm do die but they were not people and their function was utilized properly. I hope that this helps…God Bless…Great question, by the way…teachccd

 

[Tsion]

JMJ

Just remember that artificial birth control is a grave sin against mankind and God. I love the book Love and Responsibility. I really wish I read this years ago.

 

[passus]

I’m only 16 but for years have been stuck on this subject. When a man and a women have sex million of sperm enter the body but only one (not counting twins, triplets, etc) will eventually become a fully grown baby.
Now what i’m asking is what is the Church’s view on those millions of sperm dying. Is that killing or what?

While every sperm but the one which fertilizes the female’s egg will die, it is the fault of neither the man nor the woman that this occurs, as fertilization of the egg by a single sperm was built into the reproductive process by God, Himself.

I have thopught that God only prefers sperm to die in the body not in a condom or outside the body.

Well, they are dying *inside *the woman’s body, although God doesn’t really have a preference as to how sperm die in the strictest sense one would take the meaning of that.

Hope that clears it up.

I can’t verify this, but I’ve been told that the reason God designed it this way is that because sperm are male, only one (or a relative few) will actually stop and ask for directions.

What about all the X sperm, then? :ehh:

 

[DaveBj]

What about all the X sperm, then? :ehh:

They’re all occupied trying to get the map refolded correctly

DaveBj

 

[Podo2005]

It’s the same with all sexual reproduction, whether we’re talking about humans or salamanders. Millions of sperm released, and only one (or a relative few) make it.

I can’t verify this, but I’ve been told that the reason God designed it this way is that because sperm are male, only one (or a relative few) will actually stop and ask for directions.

(Running and hiding now)

DaveBj

 

[paperwight]

The millions of sperm that die are NOT a human life. Human life begins at conception, not before.

Actually, this was not discovered until 1835 (or possibly 1845). Until then, the role that a woman’s body played in the process was not understood. It was believed that each sperm was a miniature human, a ‘homunculus’.which was planted in the woman’s body (hence ‘seed’).

To me, this sheds some light on the prohibition of the methods of contraception available at the time and before, and also of the horror felt regarding masturbation.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I’m only 16 but for years have been stuck on this subject. When a man and a women have sex million of sperm enter the body but only one (not counting twins, triplets, etc) will eventually become a fully grown baby.
Now what i’m asking is what is the Church’s view on those millions of sperm dying. Is that killing or what? I have thopught that God only prefers sperm to die in the body not in a condom or outside the body.
Any help will mean a lot. Thanks for answering

You may want to read about “quickening”. I think the issue maybe : Does a sperm have a soul? Only if you believe every sperm carries a soul would you need to address why god’s design is so. When god infuses a soul into a fertilized egg is unknown. Thus we are taught to error to the safe side by assuming the soul is infused at conception however that is opposed to quickening. Also note the Immaculate Conception is a relevant read. I.E. the Immaculate Conception would not allow a tainted sperm’s soul to fertilize the egg (of Mary’s mother).

hope that helps

 

[ALLGIRLS]

You may want to read about “quickening”. I think the issue maybe : Does a sperm have a soul? Only if you believe every sperm carries a soul would you need to address why god’s design is so. When god infuses a soul into a fertilized egg is unknown. Thus we are taught to error to the safe side by assuming the soul is infused at conception however that is opposed to quickening. Also note the Immaculate Conception is a relevant read. I.E. the Immaculate Conception would not allow a tainted sperm’s soul to fertilize the egg (of Mary’s mother).

hope that helps

Well, of course a sperm doesn’t have a soul. As previously mentioned, it’s not a human person (immortal soul), or animal (mortal soul). It’s a cell. A very important cell, but just a cell nontheless.

I’m not sure what that has to do w/ quickening or Mary’s Conception. Mary was conceived in the normal fashion, w/ a sperm cell from her father and ovum from her mother. When they joined (sperm and egg cell), God just chose to preserve Mary’s soul from the Original Sin that infects the rest of us at conception. “Quickening” was just a primitive theory held before we knew about embryology and prenatal developement. It’s when the mother feels the baby move inside her. This happens once the baby is large and strong enough to have an impact. However, we now know that the baby moves around as soon as the limbs are developed enough to move, in the very early weeks, he’s just too small for the mother to feel him.

Finally, it’s good to remember that even though some theologians may have subscribed to the quickening theory in centuries past due to the limited knowledge of embryology, it wasn’t an infallible statement about faith and morals, so it can’t be said that the Church “changed” doctrine in this regard, especially when it comes to the abortion issue.

Just my thoughts (and the :2cents: or less that they’re worth ).

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[buffalo]

How about your hair or skin cells? They die too.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Well, of course a sperm doesn’t have a soul. As previously mentioned, it’s not a human person (immortal soul), or animal (mortal soul). It’s a cell. A very important cell, but just a cell nontheless.

I’m not sure what that has to do w/ quickening or Mary’s Conception. Mary was conceived in the normal fashion, w/ a sperm cell from her father and ovum from her mother. When they joined (sperm and egg cell), God just chose to preserve Mary’s soul from the Original Sin that infects the rest of us at conception. “Quickening” was just a primitive theory held before we knew about embryology and prenatal developement. It’s when the mother feels the baby move inside her. This happens once the baby is large and strong enough to have an impact. However, we now know that the baby moves around as soon as the limbs are developed enough to move, in the very early weeks, he’s just too small for the mother to feel him.

Finally, it’s good to remember that even though some theologians may have subscribed to the quickening theory in centuries past due to the limited knowledge of embryology, it wasn’t an infallible statement about faith and morals, so it can’t be said that the Church “changed” doctrine in this regard, especially when it comes to the abortion issue.

Just my thoughts (and the :2cents: or less that they’re worth ).

In Christ,

Ellen

Thank you
However this is 40_number’s issue to resolve.

Please understand that “quickening” is not disproven nor proven. The church teaches is we humans do not know exactly what happens or when.

 

[Shlomey]

I actually thought of this in terms of salvation.

Let me clarify:

millions of sperm, but one egg cell: the union between that one sperm and one egg leads to life.

Likewise, there are soo many humans on the face of this planet. We all are on a journey, but only very few realize what life is all about. That realization is the Christian faith which then leads to eternal life when properly followed.

Just a thought that came to my mind while thinking about sex

 

[manualman]

Actually, this was not discovered until 1835 (or possibly 1845). Until then, the role that a woman’s body played in the process was not understood. It was believed that each sperm was a miniature human, a ‘homunculus’.which was planted in the woman’s body (hence ‘seed’).

To me, this sheds some light on the prohibition of the methods of contraception available at the time and before, and also of the horror felt regarding masturbation.

Nope, you overstate the case. If you read those old texts, you quickly note that contraception has NEVER been equated with murder like abortion is in modern times. This is because even the ancients understood that not every act of copulation resulted in a pregnancy and they rightly concluded that the man’s ‘seed’ could not be considered a human being. They lacked the tools to figure out exactly WHEN the ‘seed’ became a human, but readily understood that it was not so immediately upon ejaculation.

This is also why the Church was reluctant until recent scientific discoveries to classify abortion as a murder. It was ALWAYS considered a grave sin, but not until conception was discovered was it found to actually be the killing of a human being.

Thus, the argument that Church teaching on contraception is wrong because it was based on faulty understanding of science collapses: the teaching was NEVER based on the idea that a human was killed by contraception.

 

[thistle]

Nope, you overstate the case. If you read those old texts, you quickly note that contraception has NEVER been equated with murder like abortion is in modern times. This is because even the ancients understood that not every act of copulation resulted in a pregnancy and they rightly concluded that the man’s ‘seed’ could not be considered a human being. They lacked the tools to figure out exactly WHEN the ‘seed’ became a human, but readily understood that it was not so immediately upon ejaculation.

This is also why the Church was reluctant until recent scientific discoveries to classify abortion as a murder. It was ALWAYS considered a grave sin, but not until conception was discovered was it found to actually be the killing of a human being.

Thus, the argument that Church teaching on contraception is wrong because it was based on faulty understanding of science collapses: the teaching was NEVER based on the idea that a human was killed by contraception.

Actually that is not correct. Although not part of the Canon the Didache is often referred to by the Church. It is the teachings of the Apostles written around 70AD to 100AD. It can be construed as an early catechism.

QUOTE

Chapter 2. The Second Commandment: Grave Sin Forbidden. And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born. You shall not covet the things of your neighbor, you shall not swear, you shall not bear false witness, you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued, for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbor. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

UNQUOTE

 

[Dale_M]

How about your hair or skin cells? They die too.

Yep, all the cells of your body are constantly dying and being replaced by new cells. Bone, heart, brain etc… all the cells of your body. The sperm will die no matter if they are in a woman or if they stay in the man’s body.

 

[Newbie2]

I can’t verify this, but I’ve been told that the reason God designed it this way is that because sperm are male, only one (or a relative few) will actually stop and ask for directions.

DaveBj

I’m in pain from laughing so hard.

 

[survive]

Actually, this was not discovered until 1835 (or possibly 1845). Until then, the role that a woman’s body played in the process was not understood. It was believed that each sperm was a miniature human, a ‘homunculus’.which was planted in the woman’s body (hence ‘seed’).

To me, this sheds some light on the prohibition of the methods of contraception available at the time and before, and also of the horror felt regarding masturbation.

It doesn’t explain the equal horror of female masturbation.

 

[survive]

Neither a sperm nor an egg is a baby, nor does either ever become a baby. The egg is more a candidate for being said to become a baby, but even the egg is actually not the zygote. The fertilization process turns the egg into a zygote, but at that point it is a different cell with different chemistry, growth and development patterns and genetics, and is no longer the egg.
The baby exists from the second it takes to fertilize an egg. This means the sperm and egg go through meiosis, send their DNA to their interface and fall apart (the sperm completely, the egg in part) as the genetic molecules react into a new molecule. Lots of stuff decays and it all goes where it belongs. It’s OK. It’s a complex dance of electrochemical interaction that’s been going on a long time. God designed it and He designed the forest. If you walk in an old growth rainforest awhile at sunrise you’ll see that He has a handle on these life processes. Nothing goes to waste.