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HoppityRedux
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Does scripture say they are punished with the most grievous chastisements or do readers of scripture say that? Does scripture say men are to treat them any differently from other sins?
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Scripture is very clear that defilement of the flesh is a direct sign of rejection of God’s authority and reserves the strongest warning of the most severe punishment of “eternal fire” for such offenses. This is due to the direct offense to and degree of degradation of what is a meant to be a temple for the Holy Spirit:
“…just as Sodom and Gomor’rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, reject authority, and revile the glorious ones.” **Jude 1: 7-8 **
“Shun immorality. Every other sin which a man commits is outside the body; but the immoral man sins against his own body.Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own;” **1 Corinthians 6: 18-19 **
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Is the measure of charity and justice to do anything we want as long as all agree? Should we apply this principle in other areas as well or just for gential issues?
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estesbob
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That’s easy my sins do not everyone else’s do.
Since punishment for mortal sins is eternal damnation I fail to see why we would make any distinction between one mortal sin and other.
The problem of course is not those who see that they have sinned and repent but those who sin and try to convince others it is not a sin. Perhaps a sin that cries out the heaven is one where the sinner tries to get others to validate their sin
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Pani_Rose
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**If a believer who is conscious of having committed a mortal sin eats and drinks the consecrated bread and wine, does he or she still receive the Body and Blood of Christ?
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Yes. The attitude or disposition of the recipient cannot change what the consecrated bread and wine are. The question here is thus not primarily about the nature of the Real Presence, but about how sin affects the relationship between an individual and the Lord. Before one steps forward to receive the Body and Blood of Christ in Holy Communion, one needs to be in a right relationship with the Lord and his Mystical Body, the Church - that is, in a state of grace, free of all mortal sin. While sin damages, and can even destroy, that relationship, the sacrament of Penance can restore it. **St. Paul tells us that “whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup” (1 Cor 11:27-28). Anyone who is conscious of having committed a mortal sin should be reconciled through the sacrament of Penance before receiving the Body and Blood of Christ, unless a grave reason exists for doing so and there is no opportunity for confession. In this case, the person is to be mindful of the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, that is, an act of sorrow for sins that “arises from a love by which God is loved above all else” (Catechism, no. 1452). The act of perfect contrition must be accompanied by the firm intention of making a sacramental confession as soon as possible.
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Yes. The attitude or disposition of the recipient cannot change what the consecrated bread and wine are. The question here is thus not primarily about the nature of the Real Presence, but about how sin affects the relationship between an individual and the Lord. Before one steps forward to receive the Body and Blood of Christ in Holy Communion, one needs to be in a right relationship with the Lord and his Mystical Body, the Church - that is, in a state of grace, free of all mortal sin. While sin damages, and can even destroy, that relationship, the sacrament of Penance can restore it. **St. Paul tells us that “whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup” (1 Cor 11:27-28). Anyone who is conscious of having committed a mortal sin should be reconciled through the sacrament of Penance before receiving the Body and Blood of Christ, unless a grave reason exists for doing so and there is no opportunity for confession. In this case, the person is to be mindful of the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition, that is, an act of sorrow for sins that “arises from a love by which God is loved above all else” (Catechism, no. 1452). The act of perfect contrition must be accompanied by the firm intention of making a sacramental confession as soon as possible.
nccbuscc.org/dpp/realpresence.htm
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Carol_Susanna
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****The sin which it falls under is listed in the 6th Commandment, though it states “Thou shalt not commit adultery” it is understood that any sin of the flesh would fall under this commandment. Why? Because the Catholic Church said so, that is why!
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Any sin against nature is deplorable. These include Contraception, which is a sin against nature, because it frustrates the natural order of what God intended it for and falls under unnatural vice in marriage, or outside of marriage. [SIGN][/SIGN]“Sexual sins which deviate from the natural order of what they were intended for are sins against nature”[SIGN][/SIGN] and nowadays there are more of these than can be believed. College students, especially, are falling prey to unnatural vice whether with the same sex or with the opposite sex. It is all under the same category and offensive to God.
I will make a suggestion. Buy, or get copies of [SIGN][/SIGN]“Radio Replies” by Fathers Rumble and Carty.[SIGN][/SIGN] This has the answer to all questions of moral and theological teaching by the Catholic Church and is invaluable for anyone seeking the truth about what the Church really teaches. It is available through TAN Books and publishers or Tanbooks.com. You can also find it on ebay by doing a search for it. It is a three volume set of books containing questions most frequently asked by those outside the Catholic Faith, but also answers any and all questions pertaining to any sin which one can commit.
Any sin against nature is deplorable. These include Contraception, which is a sin against nature, because it frustrates the natural order of what God intended it for and falls under unnatural vice in marriage, or outside of marriage. [SIGN][/SIGN]“Sexual sins which deviate from the natural order of what they were intended for are sins against nature”[SIGN][/SIGN] and nowadays there are more of these than can be believed. College students, especially, are falling prey to unnatural vice whether with the same sex or with the opposite sex. It is all under the same category and offensive to God.
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m134e5
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When people are murdering others, why are the police so petty to care about shoplifting?
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setter
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The free pass word is “consenting adults”?
Because God is big (and concerned) enough to cover ever base of human activity, however big, small, covert or overt, good, bad or augly.
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a_cermak
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Why can’t two gay folks live together without having sex? They’re not animals.
If you don’t want to minister to them would you prefer they leave the Church?
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estesbob
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Because God love themunconditionally and wants them to live the rest of eternity with him. He cares deeply for those who are putting their immortal souls in danger.
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HoppityRedux
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So, is interpretation by the Church necessary to determine homosexuality falls under the Sixth Commandment?
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HoppityRedux
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Because shoplifting violates the rights of the rightful owner of the goods.
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HoppityRedux
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Is it a bit presumptious to think God needs help? My understanding of the Christian view of God would say he was totally capable of handling the situation.
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estesbob
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Who said he did.? I was merely answering a question
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a_cermak
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Yes, because the Old Testament is quite clear that it is only adultery that is condemned, not fornication (condemned under the purity laws but much less severely). The ancient Hebrews knew the two words and understood the differences. They used the one that indicated adultery.
However, Catholics must follow what their Church teaches, so fornication (of any combination of genders) is prohibited by the 6th Commandment.
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HoppityRedux
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Does God need our help in dealing with gays?
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HoppityRedux
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Was the commandment incomplete as written? Is it reasonable to think God didn’t write what he meant? That doesn’t seem consistent with the Christian notion of God.
From what you say, I’d suggest the commandment means exactly what it says, and the Church teaching is a separate teaching not included in the commandment.
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estesbob
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I’m sorry-i have no idea what point you are trying to make. Is it that we can not discuss sin as God doesnt need our help? Or is it just the sin of homosexual behavior that is off limits for discussion?
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HoppityRedux
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I’m not making a point. Just asking if God needs our help in bringing gays into the realm of his eternal reward. If that’s what he wants, does he need our help?
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estesbob
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As Catholics we are called to witness the Truth to all. I dont know if that consitutes “helping God” in your opinion or not.
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