Ministry with Lesbian and Gay Catholics

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Let me say that i’m a lesbian catholic, my partner and i do attend mass. We raised our children catholic. Our values are the same as any other catholic, just because we sleep together doesn’t mean anything bad. We have to answer to the lord when passing.
We are not to judge others.
 
tigster said:
Let me say that i’m a lesbian catholic, my partner and i do attend mass. We raised our children catholic. Our values are the same as any other catholic, just because we sleep together doesn’t mean anything bad. We have to answer to the lord when passing.
We are not to judge others.
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Tigster, I dont know if you are being serious or not but I find your post disturbing. You are an active lesbian. You live with your parter (and sleep with her, meaning sexual intimacy) you have placed children in this environment and you see nothing wrong.
Again I am disturbed by your post.
Grace angel.
 
Timidity said:
Was this sarcasm? I can’t see anything vile with challenging sinners to repent and providing them the support necessary to do so!

I wish there were a ministry for my specific temptations!
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Is that it’s mandate? I don’t read it that way. Not if the ministry is meant to encompass with acceptance this lifestyle, and that to me is what it implies.

Besides, the Church IS the ministry for these people as it is to all, in which case it says what we already know.

AndyF
 
tigster said:
Let me say that i’m a lesbian catholic, my partner and i do attend mass. We raised our children catholic. Our values are the same as any other catholic, just because we sleep together doesn’t mean anything bad. We have to answer to the lord when passing.
We are not to judge others.
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Tigster, you are going against Church teachings on homosexuality. You are raising your children to believe that such is acceptable. It can safely be said that your values are NOT the same as those of any other Catholic. Not by a long shot.

And if the Church, which has been given the power of binding and loosing by Christ himself, states with its God-given authority that homosexual activity is gravely disordered and gravely sinful then what you do most certainly DOES mean something bad - something VERY bad.
 
My partner and i have been together 9 yrs. Our children are mostly grown now, and they turned out beauitful. Theres no differance in our relationship, then a man and women. We love each other very deeply, and are totally comitted to one and other.
 
tigster said:
My partner and i have been together 9 yrs. Our children are mostly grown now, and they turned out beauitful. Theres no differance in our relationship, then a man and women. We love each other very deeply, and are totally comitted to one and other.
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There is a critical difference - your relationship is a gravely sinful one. Falls into the category either of adultery or fornication. And you’ve raised your children to believe that adultery and/or fornication are fine. Very beautiful, moral and Catholic of you.
 
tigster said:
My partner and i have been together 9 yrs. Our children are mostly grown now, and they turned out beauitful. Theres no difference in our relationship, then a man and women. We love each other very deeply, and are totally comitted to one and other.
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Tigster, may I ask you two questions without you taking it to mean I am judging you? I am not.
If you feel that your relationship is no different than that of a man and a woman then may I assume you are sexually active with each other?
And if that is the case would you think the church should treat you as being no different and you should be allowed to marry in the church just as a Catholic man and woman might do?

I think the feelings here expressed are the basic discomfort of raising children in an active homosexual environment and thinking that is acceptable.

Lynn-D
 
tigster said:
Let me say that i’m a lesbian catholic, my partner and i do attend mass. We raised our children catholic. Our values are the same as any other catholic, just because we sleep together doesn’t mean anything bad. We have to answer to the lord when passing.
We are not to judge others.
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Tigster,

I think you are misunderstanding that injunction.

We do not judge people, but ACTIONS can be judged.

For example, if you heard that a person you know dressed in white robes and burned a cross on a black person’s lawn, you would be well within your rights as a Christian to condem the action.

In fact, in Catholic teaching, it would be a Spiritual Work of Mercy and and act of Love to point out to the person that their action is wrong and sinful. It is Love to encourge our brother to come closer to God.

The same is true for homosexual acts. The Church (and Catholics as a body) do not condem the person, but we can, should and DO condem the actions.

An indivdual is not comprised of their actions, so condeming a particuar action is NOT a condemnation of the individual.

When you engage in homosexual acts with your partner, that is fornication and an act against God.

That is NOT a condemnation of you, but of your actions. Your actions are damaging to your soul, and since your soul is precious to me and to God, I loving encourage you to reconsider your actions.🙂
 
tigster:

By the grace of God there will always be that feeling that something is not right, that last flame remaining.

It is hoped that one day the bounty of good you heaped up through the years will be one day be acceptable to God. (Ez 18,24). We look for signs and we see the sun and everything by experience we feel the wonderful days. Satan makes life comfortable for those who do his bidding. Why cause chaos to risk contemplation and examination of conscience and spiritual discenment.? (Eccl.)

(Ezek 20,25) God permits people to do as they wish in hopes of one day their hearts will change, but accredits nothing until that occurs, and one is better off having that gift accepted while still here and we are able to present it through penance.

We are also accountable for the bad influences we imparted to our children, and all the generations of compounding that results from it.

AndyF
 
tigster said:
Let me say that i’m a lesbian catholic, my partner and i do attend mass. We raised our children catholic. Our values are the same as any other catholic, just because we sleep together doesn’t mean anything bad. We have to answer to the lord when passing.
We are not to judge others.
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Great post. It’s always nice to hear success stories of gay & lesbian folks having a strong relationship and raising children. I know that the idea is “disturbing” to some but I applaud your success.

I know that most on here do not understand or agree with the love that can exist between two people of the same sex…or that they feel homosexuality in genereal is a natural distortion/aberration. But I think that with time many people will begin to understand that true love can exist between people of the same sex and that children can be raised in a loving, emotionally, spiritually and socially sound environment within a family structure such as that.

God Bless! 😉
 
tigster said:
Our values are the same as any other catholic, just because we sleep together doesn’t mean anything bad.
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Is this not contradictory? How can truth contradict truth? How does one claim the same “values” as others while they are the opposite of the natural moral law?
 
dapper said:
Great post. It’s always nice to hear success stories of gay & lesbian folks having a strong relationship and raising children. I know that the idea is “disturbing” to some but I applaud your success.

I know that most on here do not understand or agree with the love that can exist between two people of the same sex…or that they feel homosexuality in genereal is a natural distortion/aberration. But I think that with time many people will begin to understand that true love can exist between people of the same sex and that children can be raised in a loving, emotionally, spiritually and socially sound environment within a family structure such as that.

God Bless! 😉
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Dapper,

How can children be raised in a spiritually sound environment when it is opposed to 2,000 years of tradition, and the magisterium of the Church? How can it be spiritually sound when the bible condemns homosexual acts as an abomination, and fornication (i.e. sexual relations between non-married people) too boot! What is this teaching the Children - 1) the Church is wrong 2) the Bible is wrong 3) the Saints were wrong 4) you can pick and choose what is and isn’t a sin…

Tigster,

I’d go to confession right away if I were you - and I’d assuredly break off that relationship.

Catholig
 
Riley259 said:
Does he support the group “Courage” and does he insist that chastity and abstinence always be the norm for these individuals?
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As a member of the Courage chapter here in Los Angeles, I can answer that with an emphatic YES.
 
Conscience is not doing what ever we want and then convincing God it is all right because it feels right to us.
 
tigster said:
Our values are the same as any other catholic, just because we sleep together doesn’t mean anything bad. We have to answer to the lord when passing.
We are not to judge others.
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I don’t see how you can say that your values are the same as any other Catholic. Besides, and I really don’t want to sound harsh or compassionless, but it really doesn’t matter what the values of any other Catholic is because what counts is what Christ teaches through His Church. These teachings are objective Truth and our agreement or disagreement with those teachings don’t change them.

I also don’t agree with your last statement, at least not in the way that I think you intend it. We are not to judge someone’s heart or their worth in the sight of God. Only God can judge the heart. But, we are commanded to judge actions. We have to. We all rightly make judgements on the actions of others every day. When it comes to entrusting someone with an important task, for example, we judge whether that person is trustworthy based on their actions. We judge whether he/she is responsible or mature enough to handle the task.

Tigster, I don’t judge you as any more of a sinner than I am. I cannot and will not judge your heart. You are of equal worth to God as the most pious saint that ever lived. However, I would be doing you a disservice, being dishonest with you, and shirking my responsibility as a Christian and Catholic if I didn’t tell you the truth, as revealed to us by Christ through His Church. That truth, with respect to your relationship, is that sexual acts outside a valid marriage between a man and woman is a grave sin. Loving another deeply is not. Living with another person is not. Even sleeping in the same bed is not (assuming you are not placing yourself in the proximal occasion of sin). But, God has revealed to us that sexual pleasure is reserved for marriage.

It’s sad to me that so many millions are willing to risk their eternal souls over sexual pleasure, but this is one of the enemy’s greatest weapons. I hope that you are willing to accept God’s will for you and your partner (whatever He reveals to you both that it is), for the sake of both your souls, even if it is contrary to what you want and what you now believe.

Blessings
 
Maybe I just don’t get it.

But my understanding is that you are welcome into the Church if you are homosexual, bi-sexual or heterosexual.

HOWEVER, the Church ONLY condones married heterosexual relations. So it is OK to be a lesbian and be Catholic provided you live a chaste life. If you have sex, you must go to confession before taking the Communion. This is NO DIFFERENT than a heterosexual having pre-marital (or extra-marital) sexual relations. Heterosexuals are expected to remain chaste until marriage, the purpose of sexual relations is procreation. As procreation is not possible in a homosexual relationship, there is no allowance for homosexual marriage within the Church.

Why are so many people here (seemingly) judging those who are gay and Catholic when each of us is also a sinner in so many other ways?
 
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