Minors taking communion?

[centurionguard]

So I assume that in the Peoples Republic of Oregon it is also illegal for minors to imbibe such harmful potions as cough syrup, and food prepared with wine, sherry. bourbon or any other cooking spirit?

Kinda weird law I think considering when wines etc loose the majority of their alcohol during the cooking process itself through evaporation. And most cough syrups sold on the market in pharmacies today are alcohol free.

 

[lindaharry]

Hello ,

My name is Miss linda, i will like to have a good relationship with you please write me with my ID (linda.harry27@yahoo.com)
so that i will send you my photo and tell you about me.

linda

 

[Phemie]

Huh? This is vastly different from my experience. I have never seen the cup offered at First Communion. I can’t even imagine doing that. The taste of alcohol is a learned experience and 2nd-graders being exposed to that at their FHC would seem to run a huge risk of desecration of the Precious Blood as children spit it out, possibly choke, etc. – to say nothing of getting a legion of small children to drink from the cup without spillage.

The alternative would be to have gotten the children accustomed to the taste of the wine via administering small sips of it during their FHC preparation, and I can’t imagine that, either.

That’s exactly what we do in our parish. We prepare them by having the parents let them taste the communion wine and we ask that the parents allow them to receive from the Chalice at their First Communion. I don’t know of any parent that has refused in ht last leave it up to the parents whether they receive 14 years.

OTOH, I don’t notice many, if any, children receiving from the Chalice after that. Whether it’s their choice or their parents’ choice, I couldn’t say.

 

[Phemie]

It is required by the Church that the First Communicants be offered the Precious Blood. I will find the reference and enter it here.

There is no such requirement. In fact, there is no requirement that the Chalice ever be offered. It’s permitted, not required.

 

[domandcarols]

That is vastly different than my experience. All children receive the Precious Blood at their FHC and probably half of the children receive from the Chalice when it is offered at parishes I have attended/been part of.

Wow! I have not seen that, ever!

 

[countertenor]

Huh? This is vastly different from my experience. I have never seen the cup offered at First Communion. I can’t even imagine doing that. The taste of alcohol is a learned experience and 2nd-graders being exposed to that at their FHC would seem to run a huge risk of desecration of the Precious Blood as children spit it out, possibly choke, etc. – to say nothing of getting a legion of small children to drink from the cup without spillage.

The alternative would be to have gotten the children accustomed to the taste of the wine via administering small sips of it during their FHC preparation, and I can’t imagine that, either.

My two and four year olds, receive front he cup almost every Sunday. The didn’t have any issue with the taste, though the wine is sweet.

 

[countertenor]

It isn’t and you won’t.

It is for some Catholics, in fact it’s how, infants from the Eastern Churches receive the first communion. Under wine only.

 

[countertenor]

It is not legal for underage people to receive Communion wine in many US jurisdictions. It is not legal in Oregon - there is no religious (or other) exemption, and the law does not stipulate any particular quantity.

So far, no politician or prosecutor has had the gumption to take on the Church over this issue, and it’s unlikely that any ever will. It would be political suicide over an insignificant sip of wine once a week, and would likely result in nothing more than the legislature passing a religious exemption (and the ridicule and career destruction of the guy who tried to arrest priests for serving alcohol to minors).

Actually ORS 471.430 Minor in possession of alcohol:

States that “Minors may consume sacramental wine as part of a religious service.”

 

[Castello]

There is no such requirement. In fact, there is no requirement that the Chalice ever be offered. It’s permitted, not required.

I have reviewed the Diocese Guidelines for the places where I have been for FHC. In each of those it is required by those guidelines.

When it is all you have ever known it is easy to assume that it is a universal requirement.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

I have reviewed the Diocese Guidelines for the places where I have been for FHC. In each of those it is required by those guidelines.

When it is all you have ever known it is easy to assume that it is a universal requirement.

It would really be interesting to know the names of those dioceses. It still seems incredible that while there is no Church mandate that the cup ever be offered (even to adults), a diocese would mandate that it must be offered to small children.

 

[Castello]

It would really be interesting to know the names of those dioceses. It still seems incredible that while there is no Church mandate that the cup ever be offered (even to adults), a diocese would mandate that it must be offered to small children.

Sorry, to list out the places I have lived is a bit more public info than I want to toss out there. I used the term OFFERED - that the Precious Blood is to be offered, not forced on anyone.

 

[Castello]

Guidelines from a Diocese where I have not lived

cbna.info/uploads/1/sacramental_preparation_first_eucharist.pdf

 

[TevereNauta]

This surprises me. Far from “political suicide,” if we’ve learned anything from the current political climate, it’s that taking on the Church is at this time a career-building experience for a politician. In a liberal state like Oregon, I can truly see an ambitious politician or DA raiding a church and arresting clergy and youth volunteers for “contributing to the delinquency of a minor” or some such in connection with the use of sacramental wine.

Give it a few years. Probably will happen in the Bay Area of California first.

Agenda

1- Gay Marriage…check
2- Legalization of narcotics…check
3- Raiding Christian Churches for offering minors wine under the aegis of religion…check
4- Brave new world…check

I am sure that the crowd you speak of, Tarpeian, would love nothing more than to send in jack-booted thugs in the midst of the Liturgy of the Eucharist, battering ram et al.

We have to protect the children, after all (which agenda items 1 & 2 are complimentary to, BTW)

 

[superamazingman]

The alternative would be to have gotten the children accustomed to the taste of the wine via administering small sips of it during their FHC preparation, and I can’t imagine that, either.

That’s what I usually see. Either the week or day before the first communion, they have a little rehearsal, and at the appropriate time in the rehearsal, Father comes down, and after making it clear that these are not the body and blood of christ, gives the kids each an unconsecrated host, and a sip of the unconsecrated wine. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[Brendan]

Guidelines from a Diocese where I have not lived

cbna.info/uploads/1/sacramental_preparation_first_eucharist.pdf

FYI, in your original quote, you stated that "All children receive the Precious Blood at their FHC "

That is factual, but not in the way that you appear to be stating it.

The Precious Blood is just as present in a Host as it is in the chalic. So a child that recieves the Host alone still recieves the Precious Blood. The contents of the ciborium and the contents of the Chalic are IDENTICAL. They are the Body, Blood, Soul and Divintiy of Christ. The only difference is how they appear to our mortal senses.

What your diocese states as a requirement is a more accurate

Both the Sacred Body and Blood of Christ, under the appearance of bread and wine are
to be offered

The first part is a given, that would happen if the child recieve either species. The second part is the one you are probably referring to, that the two forms are to be offered.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Give it a few years. Probably will happen in the Bay Area of California first.

Agenda

1- Gay Marriage…check
2- Legalization of narcotics…check
3- Raiding Christian Churches for offering minors wine under the aegis of religion…check
4- Brave new world…check

I am sure that the crowd you speak of, Tarpeian, would love nothing more than to send in jack-booted thugs in the midst of the Liturgy of the Eucharist, battering ram et al.

We have to protect the children, after all (which agenda items 1 & 2 are complimentary to, BTW)

You forgot abortion and the logical extension of that called infanticide (or in hipster circles “after birth abortion”)

 

[sugarbreak]

My daughters are preparing for their First Holy Communion and they will be having a “tasting celebration” about one month prior to their Communion. They will each receive a sip of the unconsecrated wine and an unconsecrated host.