Miracle at Lanciano

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I was doing some reading, recently, on Eucharistic miracles, and I came upon the Miracle at Lanciano, Italy and I have to ask myself, ‘Why do people still not believe that the bread and wine at a Catholic Mass becomes the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus?’

Here’s the article, I’d love to know a non-Catholic’s initial reactions and thoughts.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

A more in-depth narrative:

trosch.org/inx/lanciano.html

A modern re-verification of the miraculous phenomena:

zenit.org/article-12933?l=english
 
Due to history this is miracle which is also a miracle of un-divided Christianity and is widely known in Orthodoxy (Ланчанское чудо). At mid 8th century Lanciano was part of Byzantine empire and “basilian” monk was simply Greek monk following the standards created by St. Basil the Great. Therefore, we know that miracle occured with leavened bread as is used in Greek church.

So this is miracle we share together.

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misterbee said:
I was doing some reading, recently, on Eucharistic miracles, and I came upon the Miracle at Lanciano, Italy and I have to ask myself, ‘Why do people still not believe that the bread and wine at a Catholic Mass becomes the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus?’

Here’s the article, I’d love to know a non-Catholic’s initial reactions and thoughts.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

A more in-depth narrative:

trosch.org/inx/lanciano.html

A modern re-verification of the miraculous phenomena:

zenit.org/article-12933?l=english
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You’ll be waiting a long time for these answers…Protestants simply do not want to answer what they cannot.
 
misterbee said:
I was doing some reading, recently, on Eucharistic miracles, and I came upon the Miracle at Lanciano, Italy and I have to ask myself, ‘Why do people still not believe that the bread and wine at a Catholic Mass becomes the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus?’

Here’s the article, I’d love to know a non-Catholic’s initial reactions and thoughts.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

A more in-depth narrative:

trosch.org/inx/lanciano.html

A modern re-verification of the miraculous phenomena:

zenit.org/article-12933?l=english
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Amazing. That should really be a slap in the face for many people.:clapping:
 
I didn’t really want this to be a ‘slap in the face’ - I just wanted to see what Protestants and non-Christians thought about Lanciano’s Miracle. I don’t want this to be a ‘bash Protestants’ thread, please.
 
many miracles are recorded in the gospels, some witnessed by thousands of people, and yet people of that day did not believe. on what basis would you expect 20th c. people to believe based on a miracle witnessed centuries ago in an isolated locality? If they do not believe the words of Christ himself, why would they believe testimony of witnesses to a miracle which cannot at this time be proven? If these miracles convince believers, that is great. If your faith depends only on these miracles, it is weak and needs to be strengthened by reliance on the gospels. If someone has rejected the Church in which the miracle occured why would they believe the miracle itself? It is not reasonable to expect non-Catholics to be convinced solely on the basis of these events.
 
puzzleannie said:
many miracles are recorded in the gospels, some witnessed by thousands of people, and yet people of that day did not believe. on what basis would you expect 20th c. people to believe based on a miracle witnessed centuries ago in an isolated locality? If they do not believe the words of Christ himself, why would they believe testimony of witnesses to a miracle which cannot at this time be proven? If these miracles convince believers, that is great. If your faith depends only on these miracles, it is weak and needs to be strengthened by reliance on the gospels. If someone has rejected the Church in which the miracle occured why would they believe the miracle itself? It is not reasonable to expect non-Catholics to be convinced solely on the basis of these events.
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This miracle would do it for me 👍
 
There’s a good book entitled “Eucharistic Miracles” that documents a large number of miracles in the Host or the Precious Blood of Christ.

Those who have eyes to see, will see.

(But it’s hard to understand how others who supposedly have faith in Christ cannot or will not look at these remarkable events.)
 
reggieM said:
There’s a good book entitled “Eucharistic Miracles” that documents a large number of miracles in the Host or the Precious Blood of Christ.

Those who have eyes to see, will see.

(But it’s hard to understand how others who supposedly have faith in Christ cannot or will not look at these remarkable events.)
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It’s because people want to believe in something else. They know what is the truth but if they trick themselves enough then they can think the truth is false.
 
You asked what Protestants and Non-Christians think of this miracle. I am neither, but Dion Fortune (who most would argue is a non-Christian) had this to say about the Transubstatiation of the Eucharist, especially as performed by monks (as it appears the Miracle at Lanciano was). I do not necessarily agree with everything she says, and I apologize in advance if anyone finds this quote offensive, however I felt it addressed your question fairly well. The quote is from her book, The Mystical Qabalah.
It is the method that is used in working the Mass by those priests who have knowledge. There are two types of priest in the Roman Church: the beneficed parish clergy and the men who belong to monastic Orders and undertake parish, and especially home mission work as part of their service. These monks frequently bring to the working of the Mass a very high degree of magical power, as any psychic can testify. It is the ensouling of an astral form with spiritual force which is the real act of Transubstantiation. It is in the knowledge of these things, and in possession of organised bodies of men and women trained in their use in the encloistered Orders, that the strength of the One Catholic and Apostolic Church lies; it is the lack of any such inner knowledge which is the weakness of the schismatic communions, a lack that makes the Anglican rituals, even when worked with full ceremonial, as water unto wine when compared with the Roman rituals; for the men who work them have no knowledge of the secret workings which are traditional in the Roman communion, and are not trained in the technique of visualising. I am not a Catholic, and never shall be, because I would not submit to their discipline, nor do I believe that there is only One Name under heaven whereby men may be saved, much as I revere that Name, but I know power when I see it, and I respect it.
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White_Tree said:
You asked what Protestants and Non-Christians think of this miracle. I am neither, but Dion Fortune (who most would argue is a non-Christian) had this to say about the Transubstatiation of the Eucharist, especially as performed by monks (as it appears the Miracle at Lanciano was). I do not necessarily agree with everything she says, and I apologize in advance if anyone finds this quote offensive, however I felt it addressed your question fairly well. The quote is from her book, The Mystical Qabalah.
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Who cares about Dion Fortune? No really?🤷
 
Therefore, we know that miracle occured with leavened bread as is used in Greek church.
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Indeed vlodomyr this is an amazing fact. Also at this time all of the latin church in Italy used leavened bread not only magna graecia (the greek part). It was only in the franks empire that unleavened bread began for reasons I do not remember. When the first germans became Popes around 1005 AD they also added unleavened bread along with the filioque.
 
misterbee said:
I was doing some reading, recently, on Eucharistic miracles, and I came upon the Miracle at Lanciano, Italy and I have to ask myself, ‘Why do people still not believe that the bread and wine at a Catholic Mass becomes the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus?’

Here’s the article, I’d love to know a non-Catholic’s initial reactions and thoughts.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

A more in-depth narrative:

trosch.org/inx/lanciano.html

A modern re-verification of the miraculous phenomena:

zenit.org/article-12933?l=english
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Even if the samples are indeed human heart and blood, how would one who is not Catholic, and does not experience themselves as subject to the authority of the church, to know that these samples are the flesh and blood of Christ?

When one is suspect of the claims of Catholicism, one is also suspect that the miracles may be the result of either hoax or demonic activity.

For non-Christians or pagans, many hold the concept in their faith traditions that there are different deities for different peoples and lands, so while they might believe that the miracle occurred as described, and that the flesh is of the Christ, they do not understand it as pertaining to them personally.

As a Catholic, how do you understand the miracles and wonders that occur in other faith traditions? That might help you understand how others view those within the Catholic church.

It may feel very personal to you, that others do not experience the same awe and increase in faith as you do in response to this miracle, but I expect it is for more mundane reasons.

They are busy with their own faith, they know of other hoaxes or misrepresentations of relics, etc throughout history, and they tend to dismiss this as another one, or, if true, simply not pertaining to them.
 
I have a question regarding this miracle, something I have long wondered about. It is my understanding that the consecrated bread and wine are to be completely consumed in a timely fashion. Not to be saved. That no one is to take home a host, etc. The priest consumes ALL the wine left at Mass, does he not, and the hosts are stored in the tabernacle only with the expectation that they will be consumed shortly in the next Mass, etc.

Even after benediction, is not the host consumed?

I have often been told that the miracle of Lanciano is no greater than the miracle of transubstantiation that takes place at every Mass, it is exactly the same, except this time Christ allows us to see Him in His true form. If that is the case, why has the host of Lanciano,and the blood been consumed?

Is it proper to keep it around for 1200 years? I mean…according to the teachings of the church herself. It seems out of keeping with everything I’ve learned in my Catholic upbringing to preserve a host like this. Christ said take and eat, take and drink. That was the purpose for him providing his Real Presence, that it might be consumed by the faithful.

thanks,

cheddar
 
I made an interesting realization about this alleged miracle.

My doctor is a very devout Catholic, and I asked him about this during a recent visit. I told him that, according to reports I’d read online, the tissue in the host is heart muscle, and it shows an enlarged left ventricle (not sure how they figured that out, but anyway,…)

He said an enlarged left ventricle is caused by either heart valve disease or high blood pressure.

For those who believe this host really is the flesh of Jesus, what do you think that might mean?
 
Sepharad said:
I made an interesting realization about this alleged miracle.

My doctor is a very devout Catholic, and I asked him about this during a recent visit. I told him that, according to reports I’d read online, the tissue in the host is heart muscle, and it shows an enlarged left ventricle (not sure how they figured that out, but anyway,…)

He said an enlarged left ventricle is caused by either heart valve disease or high blood pressure.

For those who believe this host really is the flesh of Jesus, what do you think that might mean?
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Can you supply the link which states that the tissue shows an enlarged left ventricle? Thanks.
 
Eden said:
Can you supply the link which states that the tissue shows an enlarged left ventricle? Thanks.
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This is one of the sites…I’m trying to figure out which was the other one:

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

It says that the left ventricle is enlarged…how can they tell that from a tissue sample?

(This is a coincidence because not long ago, I had to have an echocardiogram done because my dr suspected a problem with my left ventricle…it turned out that it was alright, but he had shown me pictures of what an enlarged left ventricle looks like compared with one that is not enlarged.)
 
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