Miracle of Damascus

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Nothing that has been posted so far shows that the Church has approved this. Can you give me something specific that says Church approval has been given.
 
This sounds very spiritually UNhealthy to me. Showing off one’s stigmata (except to one’s confessor and ecclesiastical superiors) is NOT in the best of style.
 
JohnPaulTwoToo said:
This letter from Archbishop Luigi Accogli, Papal Nuncio to the Vatican in Damascus, shows the Church’s involvement, at a high level, in the affair. The miracles and apparitions continue, so a final judgement hasn’t been made. I’ve read, from another source, that Archbishop Accogli travels with Myrna in her visits to other countries.

http://www.soufanieh.com/TESTIMONIALS/19980122.ita.eng.bsp.accogli.luigi.jpg

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That does not constitute a Church approval.

By the way the only stigmata ever declared authentic by the Church was that of St Francis. No other stigmata has been approved, not even that of Padre Pio (being canonised does not mean his stigmata was declared genuine. He was canonised for other reasons).
 
Dear all.

First I want to start by saying that I’m just new to this forum and hence I want to start by conveying greetings to everyone.

Now, I’ve been following the supposed apparitions of Soufanieh and after reading on this subject, there is one issue that in my view raises a red flag concerning whether our Mother or the Lord is truly communicating with the seer. Indeed, to my view this must not be overlooked even if it has already received the approval of the local bishop. Here it is:

In april 1990, the Lord supposedly told the seer that she would not hear His voice until the “Feast is One”, that is to say, that both East and West (something that I also dearly wish) share a common and permanent celebration of Easter. Despite the Lod’s promise, he again talks to the seer in the same date of the year 2001 while the feast of both Great branches is still celebrated with divided dates. Simply, the Lord should have kept His promise if the supposed person talking to the seer was truly Him.

Armin36
 
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In april 1990, the Lord supposedly told the seer that she would not hear His voice until the “Feast is One”, that is to say, that both East and West (something that I also dearly wish) share a common and permanent celebration of Easter. Despite the Lod’s promise, he again talks to the seer in the same date of the year 2001 while the feast of both Great branches is still celebrated with divided dates. Simply, the Lord should have kept His promise if the supposed person talking to the seer was truly Him.
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Did a quick check:

Nov 26, 1988 Message from Jesus: …Do not fear if you do not hear My voice for a long tme,…

Nov 26, 1990 Message from the Holy Virgin: Do not fear, my daughter if I tell you that your are seeing me for the last time until the feast (of Easter) is unified…

Apr 14 and Nov 26, 2001 Messages are given by Jesus. Mary has given no further messages.
 
Dear JohnPaulTwotoo

The following message was given to Myrna on Saturday, April 14, 1990 (Holy Saturday) by the Lord (supossedly, this stress is mine) :

"My children,
You, yourselves, will teach the generations THE WORD of unity, love and faith.
I am with you.
**But you, My daughter, will not hear My voice until the Feast **(of Easter) has been unified. "

Which is in between the two dates corresponding to the messages you just mentioned. However, The Mother (supposedly) seems to keep her promise. Since Nov 26, 1990, the She has not spoken to her.
 
Armin36 said:
Dear JohnPaulTwotoo

The following message was given to Myrna on Saturday, April 14, 1990 (Holy Saturday) by the Lord (supossedly, this stress is mine) :

"My children,
You, yourselves, will teach the generations THE WORD of unity, love and faith.
I am with you.
**But you, My daughter, will not hear My voice until the Feast **(of Easter) has been unified. "

Which is in between the two dates corresponding to the messages you just mentioned. However, The Mother (supposedly) seems to keep her promise. Since Nov 26, 1990, the She has not spoken to her.
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Here’s Fr. Fox’s annotation to that message:

Jesus keeps his word and does not speak to Myrna in message until 11 years later, not until Holy Saturday, April 14, 2001. In 2001 the Orthodox and Catholics and other Christians celebrated easter at the same time, for the Julian and Gregorian calendars coincided for Easter that year.

Apparently, this is also the interpretation of the Bishops, and a reasonable one.
 
It is true! Since 1990, the first time East and West celebrated a common Easter again was in 2001. I would say then that the translation to the English used a tone that that is misleading; as if the has Lord had requested the Churches a solution to the subject.

Pax Christi

Armin
 
So far nobody has shown any documentation that this is Church approved.
 
In april 1990, the Lord supposedly told the seer that she would not hear His voice until the “Feast is One”, that is to say, that both East and West (something that I also dearly wish) share a common and permanent celebration of Easter.

**In the years 2010 and 2011, Eastern and Western Paschas coincide two years in a row. This is MOST unusual.

Maybe something will work out by then.**
 
Church approval always receives it’s primary discernemt from the Ordinary, that is at the level of the local Diocese where any supposed/alleged miracle is reported. The Bishop that holds local Office in a Diocese has Ordinary Authority in these rulings. In the case of “The Miracle of Damascus” it has been favorable. Keep in mind that this is not unfallible, but there are no reported cases in Church History where a Local Bishop’s favorable ruling has been over-turned by the Magisterium.

When the Church is beckoned [invited] by the Ordinary Bishop of a Diocese to come and discern a possible Miracle, this requires a Council/Committee to be formed. No Council formed by Doctrine of the Faith for discernment has over-turned a Local Bishop’s favorable ruling, rather it has always supported it or magnified to the next level in the same direction that the Ordinary declared.

The Case of Medjugorje has this same track record. Both the previous and current Ordinaries [Zanic & Peric] have disapproved of Medjugorje. In 1993 the Higher Council also disapproved of Medjugorje, declaring no evidence of it being from God. In 1998, and every year since, the Local Ordinary has declared the most extreme declaration of disapproval, saying that there is evidence that it is not of God. This same Ordinary Authority [Bishop Peric] is the one who invited the Magisterium to return for another ruling, so as to close the issue of Medjugorje forever by Collegial Authority of the Council of the Doctrine of Faith.

PAX,
Michael
 
I love the apparitions and miracles of Soufanieh. They are most beautiful and have a perfectly necessary message. A message so united to the hearts of John Paul II and Benedict XVI, our missionary popes, as well! It is a message of unity between the East and the West, and the Spirit has been leading our Churches into greater ecumenical concord. I look forward to the complete blossoming of all these heavenly seeds!

Our Lady of Soufanieh helps to create the spirit of unity, harmony and humble, thoughtful, prayerful consideration that is so necessary for the reunification of our blessed Church.

michaeljerboa, I’m interested in talking with you some about Medjugorje, but I don’t think this is the thread for it. That topic is so volatile, and everyone has an opinion on it. It could easily turn this thread off course.

By contrast, Our Lady of Soufanieh is so peaceful, and is the topic of this thread. I love her and don’t want to see this thread derailed from focusing on this approved apparition! You agree? 🙂
 
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