Miracles after prayer of Bl. Karl of Austria

[MontChevalier]

Hello everyone,

Recently, a young teen friend of mine was growing rather ill. She had been diagnosed with some sort of disease and she received some operations, and needed a liver. I told her I would pray for her. So I had recently heard that one of my favorite monarchs, Bl. Charles of Austria had a novena. I prayed the novena and asked to heal my friend.

I was then told about a week or so later that my friend received a new liver and was feeling better (This was literally like last week or something).

I was wondering…is this a miracle? Does it grant Bl. Charles the status of Saint? If it is, should I report it? And if I should report it, to who?

I’d also like to add that my friend is living in Nebraska, while I’m living thousands of miles away from her.

-MontChevalier

 

[YoungTradCath]

Contact the bishop of the diocese in which the miracle happened. That is, of the diocese where she was. He can contact the Congregation for the Causes of Saints in the Vatican, and if they choose, they can investigate if they feel necessary. Bl. Karl already has two miracles attributed to him.

 

[MontChevalier]

Contact the bishop of the diocese in which the miracle happened. That is, of the diocese where she was. He can contact the Congregation for the Causes of Saints in the Vatican, and if they choose, they can investigate if they feel necessary. Bl. Karl already has two miracles attributed to him.

It didn’t happen in a diocese, it happened in a hospital…or am I misunderstanding?

And what are they gonna do? Show up at her house and talk to my friend?

I’m very well aware of the miracles attributed to my friend, Bl. Karl.

-MontChevalier

 

[YoungTradCath]

It didn’t happen in a diocese, it happened in a hospital…or am I misunderstanding?

And what are they gonna do? Show up at her house and talk to my friend?

I’m very well aware of the miracles attributed to my friend, Bl. Karl.

-MontChevalier

…? Everything happens in a diocese. If I’m walking down main street here and I suddenly martyr myself for the Church, it still happened in a diocese, that of Charleston. If I go to the University of Kentucky, I am still going to school in a diocese, that of Lexington. No matter what I do, anywhere and everywhere, I am in some diocese or another. The hospital your friend is/was at is also within the geographical boundaries of a diocese somewhere. Since this issue is the Church’s business preeminently and a diocesan bishop reigns there, it is he who you must contact. You contact the bishop of the diocese where the hospital is located, I believe, since it happened in his diocese.

I have no idea what they are going to do. I think it highly unlikely that Angelo Cardinal Amato, Prefect of the congregation himself, will just show up at her door.

 

[MontChevalier]

…? Everything happens in a diocese. If I’m walking down main street here and I suddenly martyr myself for the Church, it still happened in a diocese, that of Charleston. If I go to the University of Kentucky, I am still going to school in a diocese, that of Lexington. No matter what I do, anywhere and everywhere, I am in some diocese or another. The hospital your friend is/was at is also within the geographical boundaries of a diocese somewhere. Since this issue is the Church’s business preeminently and a diocesan bishop reigns there, it is he who you must contact. You contact the bishop of the diocese where the hospital is located, I believe, since it happened in his diocese.

I have no idea what they are going to do. I think it highly unlikely that Angelo Cardinal Amato, Prefect of the congregation himself, will just show up at her door.

Alright, so I find out the hospital she was taken care of, I’ll inform the local diocese and then I’ll wait for the results. Am I right so far?

-MontChevalier

 

[YoungTradCath]

Alright, so I find out the hospital she was taken care of, I’ll inform the local diocese and then I’ll wait for the results. Am I right so far?

-MontChevalier

I believe so.

This is pertinent:
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_25011983_divinus-perfectionis-magister_en.html

 

[Bohm_Bawerk]

Hello everyone,

Recently, a young teen friend of mine was growing rather ill. She had been diagnosed with some sort of disease and she received some operations, and needed a liver. I told her I would pray for her. So I had recently heard that one of my favorite monarchs, Bl. Charles of Austria had a novena. I prayed the novena and asked to heal my friend.

I was then told about a week or so later that my friend received a new liver and was feeling better (This was literally like last week or something).

I was wondering…is this a miracle? Does it grant Bl. Charles the status of Saint? If it is, should I report it? And if I should report it, to who?

I’d also like to add that my friend is living in Nebraska, while I’m living thousands of miles away from her.

-MontChevalier

No, that is not a miracle. The Catholic Church has an extremely stringent - almost to the point of nihilism - approach in determining what is and what isn’t a miracle. It is very likely that the Congregation for the Causes of Saints will say the situation you describe is a coincidence.

On a more positive note, I am glad your friend has received a new liver .

 

[YoungTradCath]

No, that is not a miracle. The Catholic Church has an extremely stringent - almost to the point of nihilism - approach in determining what is and what isn’t a miracle. It is very likely that the Congregation for the Causes of Saints will say the situation you describe is a coincidence.

I was honestly thinking the same thing, but it wouldn’t hurt to check.

 

[MarkThompson]

Hello everyone,

Recently, a young teen friend of mine was growing rather ill. She had been diagnosed with some sort of disease and she received some operations, and needed a liver. I told her I would pray for her. So I had recently heard that one of my favorite monarchs, Bl. Charles of Austria had a novena. I prayed the novena and asked to heal my friend.

I was then told about a week or so later that my friend received a new liver and was feeling better (This was literally like last week or something).

I was wondering…is this a miracle? Does it grant Bl. Charles the status of Saint? If it is, should I report it? And if I should report it, to who?

I’d also like to add that my friend is living in Nebraska, while I’m living thousands of miles away from her.

-MontChevalier

I’m very glad your friend is improving; that’s a terrible thing to have to go through at such a young age. That said, is there anything that would make an objective observer think a miracle might have happened? It sounds to me like doctors thought she needed a new liver, they put her on the transplant list, she got the new liver, and sure enough now she is getting better. Is there anything here that isn’t adequately explained by modern medicine working the way it is intended to?

 

[MontChevalier]

I’m very glad your friend is improving; that’s a terrible thing to have to go through at such a young age. That said, is there anything that would make an objective observer think a miracle might have happened? It sounds to me like doctors thought she needed a new liver, they put her on the transplant list, she got the new liver, and sure enough now she is getting better. Is there anything here that isn’t adequately explained by modern medicine working the way it is intended to?

I was told she was close to death several times.
Is mere coincidence the only observation people can come up with? Surely some manner of intervention was possible. Otherwise, I wasted a prayer for nothing.

-MontChevalier

 

[Edmundus1581]

No, that is not a miracle. The Catholic Church has an extremely stringent - almost to the point of nihilism - approach in determining what is and what isn’t a miracle. It is very likely that the Congregation for the Causes of Saints will say the situation you describe is a coincidence.

On a more positive note, I am glad your friend has received a new liver .

99% correct. It may or not be a miracle, in truth, however it is not a verifiable miracle by the standards of the church, which, as you say, are extremely stringent. “Almost to the point of nihilism”. I like that - well said!

 

[YoungTradCath]

I was told she was close to death several times.
Is mere coincidence the only observation people can come up with? Surely some manner of intervention was possible. Otherwise, I wasted a prayer for nothing.

-MontChevalier

No prayer goes wasted. Don’t think that.

 

[MontChevalier]

No prayer goes wasted. Don’t think that.

Too late. Anyway, I’ll be sure to send them a letter or some call or whatever. While I’m at it, I’ll have to re-think my life. Thanks for your help.

-MontChevalier

 

[CB_Catholic]

Hello everyone,

Recently, a young teen friend of mine was growing rather ill. She had been diagnosed with some sort of disease and she received some operations, and needed a liver. I told her I would pray for her. So I had recently heard that one of my favorite monarchs, Bl. Charles of Austria had a novena. I prayed the novena and asked to heal my friend.

I was then told about a week or so later that my friend received a new liver and was feeling better (This was literally like last week or something).

I was wondering…is this a miracle? Does it grant Bl. Charles the status of Saint? If it is, should I report it? And if I should report it, to who?

I’d also like to add that my friend is living in Nebraska, while I’m living thousands of miles away from her.

-MontChevalier

I doubt if this would be considered a miracle. Yes, you prayed for her, but there is no way to prove that the new liver became available because you prayed for it to the Blessed. That could be a matter of chance or coincidence.

If you had prayed for your friend to be healed and her own liver regenerated spontaneously and her disease was cured without the intervention of medical science, that would be considered something that could be investigated and possibly deemed miraculous.

It is extremely difficult to have a miracle verified in the Church.

 

[JimmytheButcher]

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