Miracles made in public are Signs

[paarsurrey]

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The Wedding of Jesus

Originally Posted by Randy Carson:
The first miracle EVER? The first public miracle? The first one that John observed personally?

There could be several “firsts”.

Originally Posted by Ben Masada :
Too hypothetical.

Originally Posted by **Randy Carson: **
However, you fail to recognize one subtle point: John says that the miracle at the Wedding was the “first of his miraclulous signs”. The word “signs” is the key. Jesus could have performed other miracles (when he was younger) that were not given as a “sign” but were perfomed for the benefit of the family.

Originally Posted by Ben Masada :
Oh! So miracles made at home are not signs; but miracles made in public are signs. Sure!

Originally Posted by Randy Carson:
There are apocryphal narratives of Jesus’ childhood which suggest he performed miracles as a child in Egypt.

Originally Posted by Ben Masada :
Why don’t you ask Luke if Jesus performed miracles as a child in Egypt? Do you know why you can’t ask him? Because while the Jesus of Matthew was making miracles as a child in Egypt, the Jesus of Luke was back in Nazareth since age of 40 days. Read Luke 2:39.

Originally Posted by **Randy Carson: **
I don’t place any weight on these accounts personally, but they do suggest that the idea that Jesus had performed miracles earlier in life is not too big a stretch.

Originally Posted by Ben Masada :
Too hypothetical.

Ben:

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I observed while reading the NTBible that the ascension of Jesus had been witnessed not specifically by any Jews but generally without giving names and addresses of the Jews witnessing the “miracle” , to make it vague and of lesser importance only. Jesus promised a miracle for the Jews publicly, so if this miracle of ascension was fullfilment of that promise, then the miracle should have been shown to the Jews publicly, in my opinion. The Jewish resources never mention of it, I think.

This seems to be a clever move of Paul to cover things, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I think miracle are done naturally; under special laws of nature though.

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

 

[Valke2]

SIgns & Wondors:

Just as the language in the Torah can be thought of as natural or supernatural, so can events in the world. Every event is the creation and self expression of God.

One view: Interpet miracles as compatible as possible with the natural order of things.

Other view: Every event in the world is a unique disclosing of divinity, with layers of reality not readily apparent to reason.

One sees the world as following a course that the transcendent God set for it. The other experiences every moment as another miracle and as evidence of the direct flow of the divine mind.

(See “Heavenly Torah,” p.65 for a bit more detail)

 

[swariffin]

Hi

I observed while reading the NTBible that the ascension of Jesus had been witnessed not specifically by any Jews but generally without giving names and addresses of the Jews witnessing the “miracle” , to make it vague and of lesser importance only. Jesus promised a miracle for the Jews publicly, so if this miracle of ascension was fullfilment of that promise, then the miracle should have been shown to the Jews publicly, in my opinion. The Jewish resources never mention of it, I think.

This seems to be a clever move of Paul to cover things, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

Those who saw Jesus ascended to heaven were still alive when during Paul’s time. If Paul was lying then the reader of his letter would have known that. Jesus has been seen by at least 500 people. Do you need the public notary statement and the signatures of those who were present during the ascension?

If the Jewish has a record that Jesus was ascended to heaven, there would be no Jewish religion anymore today, as every Jewish would became Christian. Your demand is illogical, you know.

 

[swariffin]

SIgns & Wondors:

Just as the language in the Torah can be thought of as natural or supernatural, so can events in the world. Every event is the creation and self expression of God.

One view: Interpet miracles as compatible as possible with the natural order of things.

Other view: Every event in the world is a unique disclosing of divinity, with layers of reality not readily apparent to reason.

One sees the world as following a course that the transcendent God set for it. The other experiences every moment as another miracle and as evidence of the direct flow of the divine mind.

(See “Heavenly Torah,” p.65 for a bit more detail)

For me, seeing the wall of Berlin was torn down is already a miracle. The US has spent billions of dollars and human resources to defeat communism, and yet they fail. The work of the Holy Spirit is wonderful.

 

[paarsurrey]

Do you need the public notary statement and the signatures of those who were present during the ascension?

If the Jewish has a record that Jesus was ascended to heaven, there would be no Jewish religion anymore today, as every Jewish would became Christian.

Hi

There is no harm if the Catholics would have made such a record. What harm would have it done to our Catholic friends, if they would have done so, for such an important issue of their faith?

The presence of the Jews till today in fact, in my opinion, proves that no ascension of Jesus had ever happened, in my opinion.

While setting for a journey to India, Jesus perhaps had adopted the route which went up the hill, over the clouds; a normal phenomenon in hilly areas; the disgusted followers would have mistaken it, in my opinion, that Jesus had ascended to the skies/heaven.

I think now you may understand it clearly. Do you understand it, now?

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s; I love Jesus for his wisdom

Thanks