Yes, I would if they had eyewitnesses that knew the person in question who testified to what they knew to be true from the evidence of their own eyes. It’s no different from accepting evidence in a court of law. I would have to take such evidence into account even if I were inclined to dislike the defendent. I would have to be fair and impartial.
No, the Vatican has made no pronouncements about evolution one way or the other. Various popes and bishops have made statements favoring scientific investigation of the origins of life, including man, but the Church has not said we must accept it or not. I’m sorry if this seems like nitpicking, but the Church is always precise when it makes formal pronouncements regarding faith and morals, and so far it has made no statement about it.
Source?
oh yes no formal declaration. but it does say that evolution and catholicism are not in conflict.
of course there are! allegedly
I don’t understand the context of the quote, so I’d have to look into it before saying one way or the other, which I think would be any sensible persons reply. Besides, the difference is that the one incident is fully documented and this one is rather ambiquous. When did it happen? What was the purpose of this having happened? What does it mean for those who believe in it?oh yes no formal declaration. but it does say that evolution and catholicism are not in conflict.
so i wonder why some dude up there think there is!
of course there are! allegedly
Book 039, Number 6725:
usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/039-smt.php#039.6725
- This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abdullah b. Mas’ud (who said): We were along with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upbn him) said to us: Bear witness to this.*
so…you believe that?
thing is, if you believe that miracle happened then you must believe that mohammad was a true prophet. and if he was a true prophet then catholicism is a false religion. for he strictly opposed its core teachings.
No, this not the case. You misunderstand why God gives us miracles. It isn’t just to declare his existence, it is to draw men to him, even when their ideas about him are flawed. You have a very narrow understanding of these things, I must say.thing is, if you believe that miracle happened then you must believe that mohammad was a true prophet. and if he was a true prophet then catholicism is a false religion. for he strictly opposed its core teachings.
Yes, that right–that’s what he thought and taught. How God saw him and what God wanted by allowing him to preach heresy is not for me to say. There are many devout Muslims who no doubt will be in heaven while many a lukewarm Catholic will find himself in the other place.
The same principle applies. If I, as a Catholic have no problem with it, why should you?
witnesses- RIIIIIGHT!!! lol! sometimes its true that history is nothing but myths that have been agreed upon.
So you really think the secular press cares about a “ghetto” issue like miracles? Miracles are reported in the religious press but get little or no attention from the secular press unless it’s spectacular or an oddity. There have been many documented miracles in the 20th and 21st century but they are ignored because people simply don’t want to hear about them for the very reasons you reject them–because they won’t believe they’re real no matter how much they are reported. Jesus said that people would not believe even if one rose from the dead and stood before them. You are a perfect example of this. You don’t want to believe so you can’t believe.the 20th century is the best time to produce miracles. it would reach headline news, tested beyond reasonable doubt, broadcasted all over the world and recorded by everyone for all time to see!
so…where are they?
are you sure? then whats with the miracle battle between moses and the gods of egypt? the miracle battle elijah and the prophets of bhaal?No, this not the case. You misunderstand why God gives us miracles. It isn’t just to declare his existence, it is to draw men to him, even when their ideas about him are flawed. You have a very narrow understanding of these things, I must say.
so it doesnt really matter what religion you have as long as you believe in a god eh.
miracles were meant to be spectacular.
how can you judge me like that? just because you cant produce a miracle except from hear-say.Jesus said that people would not believe even if one rose from the dead and stood before them. You are a perfect example of this. You don’t want to believe so you can’t believe.
We see your “religion” tag.
Start another thread about this.No. For this reason:just because you cant produce a miracle except from hear-say.
You can’t even accept the basic tenet that God is real, has eternal power and divine nature, even though he made it evident. So now you sit here and argue the existence of miracles created by a God you don’t believe in. We can certainly take into account your snide comments, sarcasm and misdirection to indicate you have no intention of accepting anything we put forth on the subject.
Like most atheists you don’t do a good, impartial job of investigating. Here again are the links I quoted about miracles at Lourdes. And you might, if you’re really interested in finding truth, read C.S. Lewis’s book “Miracles” and Fr. Jaki’s collection of essays, “The Limits of a Limitless Science”.
“The … solar phenomena were not observed in any observatory. Impossible that they should escape notice of so many astronomers and indeed the other inhabitants of the hemisphere… there is no question of an astronomical or meteorological event phenomenon… Either all the observers in Fátima were collectively deceived and erred in their testimony, or we must suppose an extra-natural intervention.” -… you cant produce a miracle except from hear-say.
I am writing within the context of the New Covenant in Christ, in which he has redeemed all mankind and the understanding that God knows the hearts of each of us–what we know, what we desire, what we are able to believe. For someone who knows nothing about the Bible you like to pick and choose things that seem to be to your advantage as a nonbeliever–found on many atheist websites. That’s called “cherry picking”, which is very poor exegesis of any piece of writing, much less Scripture.are you sure? then whats with the miracle battle between moses and the gods of egypt? the miracle battle elijah and the prophets of bhaal?
so it doesnt really matter what religion you have as long as you believe in a god eh.
miracles were meant to be spectacular.
cnn reports stuff that arent spectacular at all.
how can you judge me like that? just because you cant produce a miracle except from hear-say.
you dont know me.
hello! look at my tag. i believe in god because of that very reason you posted!
He didn’t promote any particular religion, He started the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church for the very purpose of salvation.
Would be nice if such a miracle occurred today; we now have two satellites (SOHO-A and SOHO-B) in their own orbits around the sun that keep a watch on it and several ground stations that all look at the sun, recording solar events across visible, ultraviolet, and x-ray frequencies around the clock along with other satellites that are watching earth. While there are plenty of descriptions of what the people at this event perceived (interpretation), it’s not clear what they were observing.
This is not like other miracles recounted from, lets say the middle ages, this occurred during the high point of the “scientific age”. While we have satellites orbiting all sorts of things now, in 1917 it was not exactly the dark ages nor the long distant past.
To save them [poor sinners who are on the road to hell], God wishes to establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end; but if people do not cease offending God, **a worse war will break out during the reign of Pius XI.** When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that He is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions against the Church and against the Holy Father.
To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If My requests are heeded, Russia will be converted and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions against the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy FathIf miracles really happened is totally irrelevant, the truth is that some will reject God no matter how many philosophical or scientific “proofs” are given to them.