Mis-understanding Homosexuals

[Tulkas1]

If you are homosexual you do not chose to be, it is a result of a imbalance in the brain, that cannot be helped or corrected by any means. It is how you were born, a natural deficiency. This is FACT, undebate-able…

Why then, do ignorant christians believe you to be evil, for living the cards you were delt? Because the bible says so? Is that what you all have? It is rediculous. Im sure there are plenty of homosexual christians, that are affraid to express themselves because of the consesquences, so they lie, to prevent themselves from scrutiny. Do not tell me they do not exist, i know a few in my real life.

You preach to love, but you hate homosexuals, it is absolutley disgusting. Those of you who do not hate homosexuals, still get offended by them because a book tells you too…I’m offended just by reading some of the posts on this site, and i am not even gay!

 

[Darrel]

Tulkas1:

If you are homosexual you do not chose to be, it is a result of a imbalance in the brain, that cannot be helped or corrected by any means. It is how you were born, a natural deficiency. This is FACT, undebate-able…

Why then, do ignorant christians believe you to be evil, for living the cards you were delt? Because the bible says so? Is that what you all have? It is rediculous. Im sure there are plenty of homosexual christians, that are affraid to express themselves because of the consesquences, so they lie, to prevent themselves from scrutiny. Do not tell me they do not exist, i know a few in my real life.

You preach to love, but you hate homosexuals, it is absolutley disgusting. Those of you who do not hate homosexuals, still get offended by them because a book tells you too…I’m offended just by reading some of the posts on this site, and i am not even gay!

Homosexuality is a sin, since you don’t believe in sins as an atheist you won’t agree. I must agree with your idea that it is a mental illness. I honestly don’t sit in judgment of homosexuals but I also must say that I am sick of there perpetual need to express themselves and flaunt what they are. Christians call it wrong and men often find it sickening to imagine or envision. The general attitude these days is ‘who cares’. How do you explain the fact that many gay men have gone straight in Christianity?

I have also known gay people; they know two things about me. I consider it wrong and I do not judge them for it. I had a gay employee, he did a fine job. I would wager that homosexuals have more to fear from Atheist then they would from Catholics who will pray for them. You make it sound like Christians don’t have a right to call it wrong. They do, and they also have a right to choose to judge them. But we know it is wrong to do so and recall the words of the Lord. “Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.”

-D

 

[dcmac]

“If you are homosexual you do not chose to be, it is a result of a imbalance in the brain, that cannot be helped or corrected by any means. It is how you were born, a natural deficiency. This is FACT, undebate-able…”

This is all speculation. Pre-disposition does not equate with mandate. There is just as much scholarship that suggests it is either a mixed bag, and/or learned behavior (abused boys overwhelmingly grow up and become homosexual), addictive behavior (more akin to the "bi-sexual " lot), et cetera ad nauseum.

This was one of my favorite topics when I was earning my Psy.D. at university. There were always those who blindly follow pop, or pseudo, psychology as long as it justifies their own fetishes… so to speak.

 

[Tulkas1]

Darrel:

. I must agree with your idea that it is a mental illness.

2 Corrections. 1) It is not my idea 2) it is the backed by the same type of scientific data that is breathing for the pope artificially at this very moment.

Darrel:

I honestly don’t sit in judgment of homosexuals but I also must say that I am sick of there perpetual need to express themselves and flaunt what they are. Christians call it wrong and men often find it sickening to imagine or envision. The general attitude these days is ‘who cares’. How do you explain the fact that many gay men have gone straight in Christianity?

How can i explain? Easily…There are a few explanations:

1. They have not, they lie to fit in, and i see this almost every day of my life, personally.
2. They have realized something about themselves, self discovery is often harder experianced than first thought. Some are confused about their sexuality for a long time because the fact remains, most people are niether 100% gay or 100% straight, this also is fact.
3. Hormonal imbalances, usually during puberty, yet, can also be caused by stress.

Darrel:

You make it sound like Christians don’t have a right to call it wrong. They do, and they also have a right to choose to judge them. But we know it is wrong to do so and recall the words of the Lord.

I’m sorry if i do. You are correct in your assertion if you believe that you have the right to call something wrong. It is your opinion, and yours to voice. Just as i am doing now. Yet, they do NOT have the right to chose. Lets take a hypothetical situation:

The world is backwords when it comes to homosexuality. The norm(your religion) is being homosexual. But you are (as i assume you are from your beliefs and assertions) heterosexual. You must become a homosexual to adhere to you religion and become a homosexual in order not to be damned. Do you really think you can do this?

Only unless you are truly a homosexual will you be able to. The assertion that you can change what you were born with is absurd!

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On a different thought, do you at least respect these people, and love them, as you are supposed to love all of gods people?

 

[abcdefg]

to Tulkas1
even if homosexual is a gene defect, it’s only a temptation. one should try one’s best to resist to temptation not find a excuse to surrender to temptation. serial killers mostly have multiple mental disorders, yet what they do is still wrong. I wouldn’t judge if a homosexual act is mortally sinful since it involve if the person do it with full consent or has fought the temption but just failed. but in cases of “gay rights” activists, I think they’ve commited mortal sins because they show no signs of remorse.

homosexual is a sin but those who legalize same-sex marriage is no better than that and if he isn’t a homosexual there’s even no temption and should be regarded as mortally sinful

 

[abcdefg]

what Tulkas1 suggests is the Satanism teaching:

“do what ever you want”

if he is a theist he might well regard himself as a god

 

[Tulkas1]

abcdefg:

even if homosexual is a gene defect, it’s only a temptation. one should try one’s best to resist to temptation not find a excuse to surrender to temptation. serial killers mostly have multiple mental disorders, yet what they do is still wrong.

First, let me set this straight. It is an instict, not a temptation. Heterosexuals have an instict to reproduce, and although homosexual activities does not have this same goal, the instict is the exact same.

abcdefg:

I wouldn’t judge if a homosexual act is mortally sinful since it involve if the person do it with full consent or has fought the temption

abcdefg:

homosexual is a sin

Which is it?

abcdefg:

if he isn’t a homosexual there’s even no temption and should be regarded as mortally sinful

Why? Because the bible said so? Would u like me to tell you some other absurd things that have no relevance to our time period that the bible said?

 

[Tulkas1]

abcdefg:

what Tulkas1 suggests is the Satanism teaching:

“do what ever you want”

if he is a theist he might well regard himself as a god

WOA SLOW DOWN! Quite the opposite.

Let me tell you! I have more of a sense of morality than most Christians/Catholics i know in real life!

These christians lie, steal, cheat, kill, ect. They perform these sins much more often than i do. Yet i do not do it because it is a sin. I do not do these things, because they are against my sense of morality. The set i logically thought through. It is wrong to steal because it causes suffering to others…ect.

Please! Do not be so ignorant, i am not saying do whatever you want, and i do not understand your statement of “if he is a theist, he might well regard himself as god” ??? What do you mean by that?

 

[Darrel]

2 Corrections. 1) It is not my idea 2) it is the backed by the same type of scientific data that is breathing for the pope artificially at this very moment.

You said it was an “imbalance in the brain”. Is that not an illness? You are seriously reversing yourself. Why would you throw the Pope into this at the very moment he is on his death bed? Does the 24-7 international media coverage bother you? Have a little respect like the rest of the planet at this hour. He is one of the greatest men who has ever walked this Earth.
How can I explain? Easily…There are a few explanations:

1. They have not, they lie to fit in, and I see this almost every day of my life, personally.

So gay people want to fit in by being gay? I thought they were protesting about not fitting in for the most part? This sounds quite different from your defense of them all by having an imbalance or the brain.

1. They have realized something about themselves, self discovery is often harder experianced than first thought. Some are confused about their sexuality for a long time because the fact remains, most people are niether 100% gay or 100% straight, this also is fact

.

I again must say that you are reversing yourself. What about the imbalance? Your acting like an expert in science so please quote a reliable source or post a link if you don’t mind.

1. Hormonal imbalances, usually during puberty, yet, can also be caused by stress.

So? We all have stress.

I’m sorry if i do. You are correct in your assertion if you believe that you have the right to call something wrong. It is your opinion, and yours to voice. Just as i am doing now. Yet, they do NOT have the right to chose. Lets take a hypothetical situation:

They have every right to be gay. What law prohibits it?

The world is backwords when it comes to homosexuality. The norm(your religion) is being homosexual. But you are (as i assume you are from your beliefs and assertions) heterosexual. You must become a homosexual to adhere to you religion and become a homosexual in order not to be damned. Do you really think you can do this?

That religion would not last very wrong since reproduction would be negated. I am finding this hypothetical to be most irrelevant. I would not become gay and I would burn for it. (within you’re hypothetical).

Only unless you are truly a homosexual will you be able to. The assertion that you can change what you were born with is absurd!

You already said that some do and have contradicted yourself repeatedly.

On a different thought, do you at least respect these people, and love them, as you are supposed to love all of gods people?

Thanks,

Yes we are to love all of Gods children.

-D

 

[Binney]

Tulkas,
If you have ever taken a real biology course you might have been amazed to find that all of life is just screaming reproduction. This is most evident when looking at the smallest single unit of life- the cell. Even if you never took a single course in biology you would see the reproduction of life in nature everywhere you go. Take a walk outdoors. Every living creature’s whole life is about the cycle of life.
Homosexuality tendancies maybe be a fact in the book of biology but in the scheme of real life it doesn’t in anyway factor into reproduction which is the main thrust of living everywhere.
Homosexuality is not misunderstood by the Catholic Church. The Church fully understands the order of life and does and will continue to do what is needed to protect it’s sanctity.
All people need to ask themselves “How do I fit into the God’s plan of life? How is He calling me to live life abundantly?” A person with homosexual inclinations need not feel excluded or misunderstood because we all have weaknesses that lead us away from being the life givers God calls us to be. What is important is that we recognize what detracts us from knowing and loving God fully.
Do the choices you make help or hinder the great and wonderful thrust of life?

 

[Darrel]

Binney:

Darrel,
If you have ever taken a real biology course you might have been amazed to find that all of life is just screaming reproduction. This is most evident when looking at the smallest single unit of life- the cell. Even if you never took a single course in biology you would see the reproduction of life in nature everywhere you go. Take a walk outdoors. Every living creature’s whole life is about the cycle of life.
Homosexuality tendancies maybe be a fact in the book of biology but in the scheme of real life it doesn’t in anyway factor into reproduction which is the main thrust of living everywhere.
Homosexuality is not misunderstood by the Catholic Church. The Church fully understands the order of life and does and will continue to do what is needed to protect it’s sanctity.
All people need to ask themselves “How do I fit into the God’s plan of life? How is He calling me to live life abundantly?” A person with homosexual inclinations need not feel excluded or misunderstood because we all have weaknesses that lead us away from being the life givers God calls us to be. What is important is that we recognize what detracts us from knowing and loving God fully.
Do the choices you make help or hinder the great and wonderful thrust of life?

These are good points,

The fact that homosexuals (within the lifestyle) do not reproduce does not negate there ability to participate in the Church or be a valued part of Gods plan. I thinks it’s important to call the behavior a sin but not the person. The person is certainly loved by God.

-D

 

[abcdefg]

Tulkas1:

First, let me set this straight. It is an instict, not a temptation. Heterosexuals have an instict to reproduce, and although homosexual activities does not have this same goal, the instict is the exact same.

what instict? sex drive I guess. rapists have the same instinct yet I guess you don’t think them to be right

Tulkas1:

Which is it?

There’re mortal sins and venial sins. both are sinful. I hope you stop saying you know much about Christianity

Tulkas1:

Why? Because the bible said so? Would u like me to tell you some other absurd things that have no relevance to our time period that the bible said?

Does the Bible say computer hacking is sinful?

Tulkas1:

Please! Do not be so ignorant, i am not saying do whatever you want, and i do not understand your statement of “if he is a theist, he might well regard himself as god” ??? What do you mean by that?

not resisting temptation and surrender to instinct (sex drive in this topic) is a good example. your self-centered posts show you already regard yourself as a god though you’re reluctant to admit it

 

[Lisa_N]

Well I assumed Tulkas was new and now I see he’s already banned. Funny how homosexuals always want to justify their behavior as natural even though as someone pointed out even the lowest life forms are hardwired to survive and procreate, behaviors that are stymied by homosexual behaviors.

Lisa N

 

[siamesecat]

One point Ive been trying to make for quite a while is if you believe homosexuality is wrong, fine, don’t vote for gay marriage, youre entitled to your beliefs. But to talk about how disgusting and awful it is etc…does the bible say its wrong? Yes, in a few references. But on nearly every page of the bible it says to be nonjudgemental, be kind to others, be forgiving. If personally you disagree, fine, but you dont have to push your beliefs on others. The problem with religion is that people ignore the big picture and pick on the little things. The Muslims terrorists ignore the Kuran’s teachings to be kind and decide to only follow the teaching of killing infidels. Religion is being used for harm and persecution when overall it teaches great things!

 

[tom.wineman]

This post is just another attempt of the homosexual agenda to promote the big lie

 

[tom.wineman]

siamesecat:

One point Ive been trying to make for quite a while is if you believe homosexuality is wrong, fine, don’t vote for gay marriage, youre entitled to your beliefs. But to talk about how disgusting and awful it is etc…does the bible say its wrong? Yes, in a few references. But on nearly every page of the bible it says to be nonjudgemental, be kind to others, be forgiving. If personally you disagree, fine, but you dont have to push your beliefs on others. The problem with religion is that people ignore the big picture and pick on the little things. The Muslims terrorists ignore the Kuran’s teachings to be kind and decide to only follow the teaching of killing infidels. Religion is being used for harm and persecution when overall it teaches great things!

Looks like you folks do a good job on this judgmental bit yourselves. If you are sinning you are going to be judged either in this life or afterwards. As far as pushing your belief on others just what are you doing here on this forum ?

 

[Jen1010]

“even the lowest life forms are hardwired to survive and procreate, behaviors that are stymied by homosexual behaviors.”

Lisa N

I am new on here,and this is the first post I even read.Even though I am heterosexual I don’t think it’s my place or anyone elses to judge someone.That’s for God to do.Your comment was out of line Lisa.As a christian you should love ALL PEOPLE.Hasn’t church taught you anything?

 

[siamesecat]

Looks like you folks do a good job on this judgmental bit yourselves. If you are sinning you are going to be judged either in this life or afterwards. As far as pushing your belief on others just what are you doing here on this forum ?

What belief am I pushing? I said you could disagree with homosexuality and did not urge you to accept it. I’m simply pointing out that people seem to be ignoring the biggest message of Catholicism.

 

[Lisa_N]

“even the lowest life forms are hardwired to survive and procreate, behaviors that are stymied by homosexual behaviors.”

Lisa N

I am new on here,and this is the first post I even read.Even though I am heterosexual I don’t think it’s my place or anyone elses to judge someone.That’s for God to do.Your comment was out of line Lisa.As a christian you should love ALL PEOPLE.Hasn’t church taught you anything?

Please read with comprehension. I was pointing out that there is no biological basis for homosexuality. If you look at the lowest life forms you will see the hardwired focus on survival and procreation. Even very primative animal life focuses on procreation. Look at insects or even earthworms. Their life is devoted to surviving long enough to procreate. I was responding to another post that said the same thing. Homoesexuals wish to justify their behavior as normal. From a biological basis it is NOT normal. I said absolutely nothing about loving or not loving people, I was referring to biology. Since those who try to justify homosexual behavior ignore Church teachings as invalid I was approaching this issue from a more scientific basis. Tuklas tried to claim that homosexuality was biologically based and hardwired in at birth. He provided no support for his position. I disagree. I think the desire to procreate IS hardwired in and pointed out that you can see this innate characteristic at all levels of species.

Hope you understand a bit better now.

Lisa N

 

[CatQuilt]

siamesecat:

One point Ive been trying to make for quite a while is if you believe homosexuality is wrong, fine, don’t vote for gay marriage, youre entitled to your beliefs. But to talk about how disgusting and awful it is etc…does the bible say its wrong? Yes, in a few references. But on nearly every page of the bible it says to be nonjudgemental, be kind to others, be forgiving. If personally you disagree, fine, but you dont have to push your beliefs on others. The problem with religion is that people ignore the big picture and pick on the little things. The Muslims terrorists ignore the Kuran’s teachings to be kind and decide to only follow the teaching of killing infidels. Religion is being used for harm and persecution when overall it teaches great things!

They’ve begun pushing their beliefs on our children. You live in MA as do I. Haven’t you heard about what’s going on in the public schools with the gay days and gay curriculum that’s being pushed?!