Misquotes by Mohammed?

[Magicsilence]

TO ALL MUSLIMS ON THIS THREAD. I HAVENT READ THE SECOND HALF PROPERLY BUT ANYWHOO.

flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html

If we were playing football, ya know muslim v christians. That website is pele, ronaldo, and shearer all rolled into one. It categorically disproves islam as a religion, so leave your false religion and stop attacking CATHOLICS!

 

[Munawar]

The Eurasian:

In Islam, does Mahomet or the Koran tell you that the bad angels or devils used to be good angels before???

Hi Eurasian,

In Islam, angels are only good. They are not capable of bad deeds, or the ability to think freely. They only obey God.

Satan on the other hand is a creature called a “Jinn”. Made of smokeless fire that humans cannot see. They have free will, and you have both good and bad jinn. Jinn is where the word “Genie” comes frmo.
The Eurasian:

Does Mahomet or the Koran tell you that Satan used to be one of the highest ranking angels in Heaven? That in Heaven, Satan was known as the Angel called “LUCIFER” meaning “LIGHT”. In Spanish, “LUZ” means “LIGHT”.

Satan was the highest ranking Jinn. He was not an Angel. Also - In Islam, Satan is a creation of Allah. Hence he is not his equal.
The Eurasian:

To God, nothing is impossible. And the old sterile Sarah(Sarai) did get pregnant!!! That’s why there is an Isaac (Ishaq?) Is this also in the Koran?

Yes, in Islam, Isaac was a son born to Sarah in her old age.

Munawar

 

[The_Eurasian]

Munawar ---------Post 42:

Hi Eurasian,

Satan on the other hand is a creature called a “Jinn”. Made of smokeless fire that humans cannot see. They have free will, and you have both good and bad jinn. Jinn is where the word “Genie” comes frmo.

Satan was the highest ranking Jinn. He was not an Angel. Also - In Islam, Satan is a creation of Allah. Hence he is not his equal.

Yes, in Islam, Isaac was a son born to Sarah in her old age.

Munawar

Munawar

Thanks for coming back and talking with us. We are all decendants of Abraham. Abraham had three biological wives namely Sarah(Sarai), Hagar, and Keturah. The promise of God to Abraham (Ibrahim?) that his decendant will be as numerous as the stars in the sky is evidenced in the veil of the Virgin Mary when she appeared to an Aztec Indian in 1521. The veil of the Blessed Virgin Mary was full of stars, each star representing a constellation. They realized later that her veil and the stars were an exact map of the constellations in the sky that day when she appeared to Juan Diego December 12, 1521.

Guadalupe, I understand is Arabic for Guada=River Lupe=Fox. Yes, Munawar. The Virgin Mary remembers the decendants of Hagar, Ishmael. Without them, where would Jesus, (Isah) have been born? Like an animal out in the open field??? Oh, yes, by the way, the Virgin Mary as Our Lady of Guadalupe is dressed more like a Muslim woman than an American or Westener.
Question: Is Satan a good jinn or a bad jinn?

 

[Faith101]

Ahimsa:

If angels do not have free will, then where did Satan/Iblis come from?

There are 3 types of “species” in Islam…humans, jin and angels. Humans and jin have free will, angels do not. Iblis is part of the jin species

 

[Faith101]

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By the way, Abraham (Ibrahim?) and Sarah (Sarai?) did receive 3 visitors who foretold that the next time they visit, the very old, barren, sterile lady Sarah(Sarai) would already have a son(Isaac (Ishaq?))).

To God, nothing is impossible. And the old sterile Sarah(Sarai) did get pregnant!!! That’s why there is an Isaac (Ishaq?) Is this also in the Koran?

I’m not sure what you intend to mean about the 3 visitors.

THe Eurasian…you have made an amazing point. For God, nothing is impossible. Yes, that story is in the Quran. God can create a human being from clay, a sterile mother, or a virgin girl. Nothing is impossible.

You should read chapter 19 in the Quran titled “Mary.”

 

[True-Jesus]

magicsilence !

You seem to me most foolish and bias person atleast on this thread.

Don’t misguide yourself through anti-religious sites or information that is freely available. But try to investigate too before you pass it on.

Not everything that is available on the Net is true. I don’t know whether you know this fact.

What if someone took your word as gospel-truth and later when learned properly, turned out everything you said was not just wrong but based on hate, then do you think you still will have any slightest integrity of your word or this site that you are representing?

Think about it twice and make sure before you refer to any link, is not a bias and anti-religious.

Let me assure you at the same time, you cannot misguide any muslim with your ignorance because they do know what is going on or what is actually cooking in anti-Islamic minds.

The more you show your ignorance, the more you loose your own integrity. So, the harm of your any mistake will be upon you.

 

[chb03c]

True-Jesus:

magicsilence !

You seem to me most foolish and bias person atleast on this thread.

Don’t misguide yourself through anti-religious sites or information that is freely available. But try to investigate too before you pass it on.

Not everything that is available on the Net is true. I don’t know whether you know this fact.

What if someone took your word as gospel-truth and later when learned properly, turned out everything you said was not just wrong but based on hate, then do you think you still will have any slightest integrity of your word or this site that you are representing?

Think about it twice and make sure before you refer to any link, is not a bias and anti-religious.

Let me assure you at the same time, you cannot misguide any muslim with your ignorance because they do know what is going on or what is actually cooking in anti-Islamic minds.

The more you show your ignorance, the more you loose your own integrity. So, the harm of your any mistake will be upon you.

You know the same thing could be said about you.

 

[Paul_W]

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Guadalupe, I understand is Arabic for Guada=River Lupe=Fox. Yes, Munawar.

From: catholicism.org/pages/guadalupe.htm

The question arises, and justly so, did Our Lady actually say Guadalupe when she spoke to Juan Bernardino? Or did she say something that sounded like it? It seems that in the Nahuatl or Aztec tongue they had no equivalent sound for the Latin G or D. The interpreter standing by Juan Bernardino’s pallet translated the title as he thought Our Lady meant it, namely Guadalupe. But Our Lady couldn’t have said exactly that, unless by a special charisma the cured man was enabled to pronounce a G and D. What the Mother of God actually said, and what she wanted to be thought to have said as she looked prophetically into the centuries ahead, are two different things. In the Nahuatl language the expression “she who crushes the serpent” sounds very much like Guadalupe. Rendered phonetically, the Aztec word would be Coatlaxopeuh.

Surely, it was only natural for the Spanish interpreter to assume that Our Lady really wanted to be known under her revered title of Guadalupe that was so familiar to every Spaniard, and he thought that, had the Indian been able to pronounce all the consonants involved, this is what he would have said. So, according to the mind of the interpreter, Juan Bernardino tried as best he could to say Guadalupe. But since it was to the Indians that the Virgin appeared, and not to the Spanish, the more likely explanation is that she did not say Guadalupe at all, but rather Coatlaxopeuh. This sounds very much like the Spanish word, and to the Indians it meant that the Virgin of Tepeyac was the one who “crushes the serpent.” The reasons for this interpretation are extremely convincing.

 

[adventistnomore]

Faith101:

There are 3 types of “species” in Islam…humans, jin and angels. Humans and jin have free will, angels do not. Iblis is part of the jin species

I assume… outside of animal species???

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Ahimsa:

If angels do not have free will, then where did Satan/Iblis come from?

And if they have no free will, but are subject to necessity (are they ?), does this not take away from the value of their praise ? How can praise be valuable, if it is not willingly given ?​

There are profound issues here ##

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Munawar:

Hi Eurasian,

In Islam, angels are only good. They are not capable of bad deeds, or the ability to think freely. They only obey God.

Satan on the other hand is a creature called a “Jinn”. Made of smokeless fire that humans cannot see. They have free will, and you have both good and bad jinn. Jinn is where the word “Genie” comes frmo.

Satan was the highest ranking Jinn. He was not an Angel. Also - In Islam, Satan is a creation of Allah. Hence he is not his equal.

Yes, in Islam, Isaac was a son born to Sarah in her old age.

Munawar

A fuller account of Muslim ideas about the angels & jinni would be very instructive​

 

[hawk]

Faith101:

Hey chb03c

I understand the concept of God and son of god, but what is the holy spirit? Thanks

The Holy Spirit is God interacting with Man, every day every minute, giving us grace, and urgining us to be one with Him, through Christ.

 

[hawk]

Ahimsa:

Abdel Haleem’s translation:

It’s my understanding that contemporary New Testaments have also replaced ‘camel’ with the more logically sounding ‘rope’.

The Eye of the needle is the Gate of Jerusalem, Yes a camel can pass through it, but it needs to bend and as such cannot carry a rider through it.

The rider needs to get of the mount, and lead the camel through it, with the camel on its knees, and then after it passes halfway through, it can rise once again on its fore legs, but its hind legs must bend.

It was a necessity of war, Mohammed did not know what it meant.

Jesus is talking about the new jerusalem, and he is saying a rich man will find it hard, not impossible.

Mohammed didnt get it, it is as simple as that.

 

[Faith101]

hawk:

The Holy Spirit is God interacting with Man, every day every minute, giving us grace, and urgining us to be one with Him, through Christ.

God, through the Holy Spirit, through Christ is interacting with us?

Alhamdulilah for Islam’s direct connection

 

[hawk]

Faith101:

God, through the Holy Spirit, through Christ is interacting with us?

Alhamdulilah for Islam’s direct connection

I shall inshallah spell it out for you.

The Holy Spirit of God inspires us to live like Christ.

Christ gives us His sunnah, and pays for our sins.

So that we can be one with Allah.

Muslims can have a direct connection, I am not sure if Islam provides it.

, But hey I am an apostate, I dont think my opinion counts